As the TRUTH about the KGB/GOP Emerges, do NOT let them Frame the Narrative

[LaydeeBug]

It ain't "99 problems but the kids ain't one" referencing the millennials...it ain't "hone your message to the economy" (aside: when have we NOT?)

IT'S THAT THE GOP BECAME A DE FACTO ARM OF THE KGB, BROKE THE LAW AND STOLE THE FUCKING ELECTION.

It's not *just* "Russia", it's that the GOP is sucking their dick.

Please don't fall for the other shit.

That's divide and conquer.

[leftofcool]

1. They have already framed the narrative. Where are our leaders?

[LaydeeBug]

2. You are the leader you've been waiting for...BE one.

You're looking at this incorrectly...they control the media, as this election cycle has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Don't fall for their shit.

Don't carry their water.

Don't "look to Obama" or Bernie, or HRC, because at the end of the day, it isn't about them. It's about US and Russia.

Patriot vs traitor.

[jalan48]

90. Good question. If it is as dire as we think, why are they remaining silent for the most part?

Does Russia have compromising information on members of our own Party? Are they being blackmailed into silence?

[certainot]

98. they're going to dominate messaging and framing

as long as we give them a free speech free ride on 1200 radio stations

[avebury]

3. Putin - GOP - just how far is Putin's reach

within our Government? McConnell and others are told that Putin is interferring with our election but McConnell refuses to allow that this information be given to the voters before the election. Is McConnell on Putin's payroll? Who also is colluding with Putin?

The Democrats absolutely need to be out there incessantly talking about this. They need to grab the narrative and not let go. They need to leave no room for any other narrative to get out there. They need to make it impossible for the MSM to ignore them. If the US MSM tries to ignore it there are a lot of international news outlets that I am sure will cover it. How do you think it would look for the GOP if the rest of the world is talking about this issue?

An independent group could start a count up clock like they had during the Iranian hostage crisis. X number of days without a thorough investigation of the election of 2016. They could have someone develop a really cool website that inlcudes a clock counting up. There is no shortgage of imaginative ways to shove this issue down the throats of the GOP. The website could shame the people involved.

Squeaky wheel gets the news cycle.

[LaydeeBug]

4. Just how much does Chump *owe* them? nt

[Dustlawyer]

10. I am hoping that the press Trump has attacked will be like a dog with a bone on the

Russian connection! I don't trust the MSM enough to believe they will, but I can hope.

[LaydeeBug]

23. They won't be. They were either complicit or complacent, I am not sure it even matters which one

They want *ratings*, not truth. <<<---- THAT'S the important distinction here.

[LaydeeBug]

112. exactly. Except the squeaky wheel doesn't get the news cycle, unless Russia tells them to

like Hillary's *bombshell* emails.

This won't be televised, I'm afraid. The televisers want ratings, not truth.

The Constitution is still the Constitution anyway, and they are giving aid and comfort to the enemy by allowing them to intervene in our election process at ALL

[Botany]

5. IT'S THAT THE GOP BECAME A DE FACTO ARM OF THE KGB, BROKE THE LAW AND STOLE THE FUCKING ELECTION.

How many down ticket races were flipped too.

Between Russia and "crosscheck" this was a coup.

BTW Russia kept some of the Bernie Bros all fired up by releasing stuff on HRC.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512652244

[Fast Walker 52]

8. I agree sowing dissent with the Bernie people was one of the most important parts

of the election theft. But your link didn't seem to discuss that.

[Botany]

12. paragraph below the link

"Russia successfully riled up Bernie Sanders die-hards against the Democratic Party by leaking minor intrigue that fueled their suspicions, aggravating a Clinton liability with young voters that never healed." new york mag

[Fast Walker 52]

14. thanks.

[bettyellen]

117. Yeah I basically saw a few friends get sucked in really bad....

And because of it most ended up tuning out and not knowing one damned true thing about her. And they think they're well informed.

[LaydeeBug]

24. exactly. nt

[LaydeeBug]

116. I even think some of them were just KGB in disguise. nt

[Achilleaze]

6. The GOP-KGB is fundamentally un-American

[Fast Walker 52]

9. they always have been-- they can't win otherwise

[LaydeeBug]

17. They are wrapping facism in the stars and stripes and their supporters have been programmed

Really.

[Scruffy1]

7. Don't worry.

our "leaders" will be very nice and respectful as long as they get to stay close to power.

[Coyotl]

11. You are framing the narrative yourself.

What I want to see is evidence the GOP isn't the culprit hiding behind the Russia firewall. Until someone demonstrates the Republicans did not do the DNC hack, why promulgate the Russians narrative? Who benefited from the crime? The answer is always the criminal, not someone on the other side of the world.

[Botany]

13. R you f***ing kidding me?

" ... why promulgate the Russians narrative?"

[Coyotl]

18. Why promulgate the Russians DID IT narrative?

When you have a Paul Manafort and Trump to blame for the actions? Anyone can connect to a server in Russia from New York and hide behind the Russian firewall, operating outside the view of US intelligence and law enforcement. In fact, Trump had a private server connected to a Russian server and it was discovered by investigating who ran the DNC hack.

All these right wing agencies are not to be trusted in matters political. They are all Comeys.

[LaydeeBug]

108. because they are now even *bragging* about it...why promulgate the KGB/GOP

"nothing to see here" narrative?

[Coyotl]

115. So, show us that evidence then. Show us something morte than a sex act claim.

[LaydeeBug]

122. I am wondering if you still feel the same way in light of everything.

[LaydeeBug]

19. This. Shows. Something. And. It. Ain't. About. Me.

That you are PRETENDING there is doubt that Russia did this makes me honestly question your antics here.

It really, truly does.

If all of the proof isn't enough for you "until someone demonstrates"??? <<<<------ if all 19 intel agencies aren't enough for you, nothing ever will be

[Coyotl]

28. That makes about as much sense as saying

if every Catholic bishop says God is real I have to believe it too. I want evidence, not some unsupported narrative. If you trust these agencies after Comey pulled his stunt, you are really naive.

We need to separate the fact that Russia is active in world politics and we are actively opposing Russia on the world stage from the individual crimes we are investigating in the US.

When did critical thinking become an antic? You are insulting me and my intelligence.

[LaydeeBug]

37. Conflate much?

We aren't talking about a BELIEF, we are talking about a CRIME.

Pretend they're the same.

[Coyotl]

64. We are talking about your beliefs about crimes.

And you won't provide any evidence for your beliefs about the crime or about hell. Forget the latter, we want evidence about you claims regarding the crimes.

We want to arrest and convict, not convict in the media and control what the public thinks.

[LaydeeBug]

66. Nope.

nt

[AgadorSparticus]

89. For real?!???!!!! Thanks for your post. Your colors are very clear.

You want proof? how about the CIA itself.... And there is a bipartisan effort to investigate... You think they did that on speculation??!?!?! You don't think Russia benefits from this?!?!!

I see you very clearly....

[Coyotl]

96. Show us what evidence you have.

Ad hominems are an easy refuge if you lack evidence.

[AgadorSparticus]

100. You will have to email the gang of 12. They are the only ones with evidence.

We won't have it. That's the point.

[Botany]

16. Vladimir is that you?

n/t

[LaydeeBug]

67. Nope.

nt

[LaydeeBug]

94. Yep. nt

[LaydeeBug]

21. If all 19 intel agencies aren't enough for you, nothing ever will be

You "want to see specific evidence" <<<----- LOL, you're a scream.

Conflate it with WMD's? Nice touch

[LaydeeBug]

27. People in hell want ice water...please proceeed with your false equivalence.

BTW, It *IS* an act of war. I am laughing at you thinking you will "see" *tangible* evidence...like the hackers left a fucking *signature* for you or something.

[LaydeeBug]

34. Again, our intelligence agencies have already released this...do you think they're making it up?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028352588

[LaydeeBug]

51. LOL There you go again....conflate much?

Carry their water much?

[LaydeeBug]

56. No need to apologize for your lack of understanding, it shows.

[LaydeeBug]

68. Yep.

nt

[lame54]

81. You are siding with the serial liar Trump 100%...

That's his exact argument

He is attacking his own intelligence agency and calling them useless

Will he (or you) not believe anything they ever tell him?

[Coyotl]

33. "People in hell want ice water" is the best false equivalence EVER!

Now you even have me laughing.

If there is some evidence, perhaps it should be presented. meanwhile, you should not criticize people for wanting to see evidence. Otherwise, all you have is the Church of the Spies to believe in and accept on pure faith. That is anathema to everything DU, and you shouldn't use it to offend other members who don't share your state religion viewpoint.

[LaydeeBug]

35. Should the water be *presented* to you? LOL

You're a scream!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028352588

[Coyotl]

40. First, there is no hell. You are wrong about that. But, you want us to trust you on. LOL.

If you have evidence hell exists, please present that too. But, most of us are more concerned with earthly affairs,not metaphysical beliefs, so first show us the evidence to back you Russia claims.

[LaydeeBug]

47. While I appreciate your attempt to conflate a fucking FIGURE OF SPEECH with an actual belief system

Pssst: "Does a bear shit in the woods?" or "Is the Pope Catholic?" aren't *exactly* referencing environmental and spiritual systems either, just so you know.

Trying to deflect from what has happened here is how they divide and conquer. I won't carry their water...even if you *think* I should *submit* something to you.

YOU carry their water. I won't (PS, when I typed, "carry their water", I didn't *actually* mean carrying a round a vat of water, just in case you wanted to tell me I was using false equivocation, like you did with "People in Hell want Ice Water"

You're welcome.

[LaydeeBug]

48. LOL. Of *COURSE* you do, and unless you produce a video, a SOLID, TANGIBLE

OUT IN THE OPEN, Putin straight up *saying* it, it didn't happen.

LOL

welcome to du

[LaydeeBug]

62. Your argument is that the proof isn't enough for you...your argument is that the CIA must be wrong

That is YOUR flaw, not mine.

You're welcome.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/10/1609497/-Dems-won-prez-and-senate-votes-rigged-system-screwed-us-Let-s-use-same-system-to-win-Supreme-Court

[Indydem]

87. I can't believe anyone who believes in

The United States Contitution would support such malarkey.

Unbelievable.

[JTFrog]

104. Lol.

Flaming out?

What is with all the Putin good, Hillary bad bullshit going on around here?

For fuck's sake.

[AgadorSparticus]

91. You honestly think they will make it all public??!?!!

You don't give your enemy all of your game plan. Hey there, we're going to attack you now on tuesday at 4am, ok? And we are going to come in through this door right here. Is that good for you?

[think]

32. Even Robert Baer stated he wants to see the forensic evidence. Call me old fashioned but so do I.

[LaydeeBug]

39. Pay no attention to Boris and Vlad over there, and what I'd call you isn't old fashioned. nt

[think]

88. You do know who Robert Baer is right?

[Coyotl]

22. Otherwise it's "Iraq has WMD's" all over again. ?? Kinda, sorta, maybe.

Otherwise it is a "The Republicans are innocent" narrative, on a par with Comey's Hillary is guilty inference.

[LaydeeBug]

29. Right now, all you *want* to see is the name calling, bc the solid evidence

was already reported on...but pretend *we* don't meet the metric of THEIR crimes.

[LaydeeBug]

43. Oh, link or it didn't happen?

If all the evidence out there isn't enough for you, I don't really feel compelled to do your homework FOR you. I am also not going to SUBMIT anything t you.

Honestly. There's enough right here on DU.

PS, I won't be proving the earth isn't fat either.

[Coyotl]

45. "If all the evidence out there isn't enough for you" is easy to say when you can't point to one iota

of evidence. If you could just point to ONE piece of supporting evidence, you wouldn't need to attack those asking for evidence.

[LaydeeBug]

50. Nope...it's saying you are blind to it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028352588

[Coyotl]

55. Hot air. "For what its worth, I think there was strong publicly available information to prove"

We want evidence.

[LaydeeBug]

58. You don't want evidence...because it's there and I've linked it. You want this to go away

and to carry their water.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028352588

[LaydeeBug]

59. Nice try. No dice.

nt

[LaydeeBug]

70. Nope.

nt

[LaydeeBug]

74. Nope.

[LaydeeBug]

78. You keep doing it for me...thanks! :)

[Coyotl]

60. Exactly what Comey had, innuendo and inference.

Likewise, I ask for some evidence and I'm attacked with ad hominems. That's really lame when if there was real evidence it could easily be cited.

[LaydeeBug]

65. No...we have the release from 19 different itel agencies, and your false equivalence

doesn't let you see past it.

I don't *care* what YOU *want*. You wanted to pretend that a fucking figure of speech was a false equivalence. Really. You did that. THIS thread even.

They aren't good enough for you. So be it. Carry their water.

(again, you know I don't *really* mean to physically carry their water , right? You *really* seem to have a problem understanding basic stuff like that)

[Coyotl]

36. If there is solid evidence, why don't you just present it to everyone?

Otherwise, it is no better than saying, "There really is a Devil in hell, it is really hot there, trust me I know."

[LaydeeBug]

41. Because I don't believe I have to *present* *anything* to you...that you think you

should be *presented* with something shows something here, and it ain't about me, and it ain't good.

You're welcome.

[Baitball Blogger]

38. One of the most telling signs is how the hard-right have turned a 180 in regards to Russia.

There's a meme that must have been hatched in one of their think-tanks and it is spreading into organizations like the Tea Party. These people have turned 1984 into a reality, since we will soon not know who we're fighting against.

[LaydeeBug]

42. Omg, THIS, all say long. nt

[duffyduff]

113. They based their entire movement on the old Soviet tactics of propaganda.

It shouldn't be a surprise this would be the end result.

[tenderfoot]

95. specific evidence? Like the evidence used against Hillary. Bet you thought that was true.

eom

[Sunlei]

97. not the voting machines. you're quoting trumps focus.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

101. Nice bit of misdirection / purposeful typo "KBG"

I'm sure you know that you've transposed two letters of the old agency name.

If you don't, then there's not much to say to you.

You should also know (and probably do) that the old agency is dissolved and the new agency has a completely different three letter acronym.

If you don't, then ....

[LaydeeBug]

53. NPR is a Right wing shill place now, and have been for a while

So...um...it almost as bad as posting a FOX link. Just saying.

[LaydeeBug]

73. Not paranoid, just stating the facts. nt

[LaydeeBug]

79. Oh, well since Robby Mook said so in a post theft interview, that *MUST* mean Russia didn't so this.

[LaydeeBug]

83. No sweets... YOU do.

project much?

[LaydeeBug]

85. Now who's moving the goal post?

LOL

[Sunlei]

99. Your OP seems to have hit several nerves!

[LaydeeBug]

107. It really, *REALLY* did. I wonder why.

[lapfog_1]

77. Tautological

The GOP are assholes of the US.

The GOP is sucking KGB dick.

The US is getting fucked in the asshole.

Q.E.D.

[LaydeeBug]

80. I thought it was pretty simple too nt

[Sunlei]

92. We do need to know why Republicans used hacked information but not concerned at all about hackers

in Americas stuff. Some Republicans even seemed to know in advance when hackers were due to dump stolen files on WikiLeaks. Why 'retired' FBI agents were buddies with 'retired' Ghoulman and leaked inner agency active case info to him.

CIA and FBI have a lot of work to do, interview them all.

[LaydeeBug]

93. This is so true...even Trump's D-I-L knew in advance of an FBI move

and whether they were in consort with them, or just oblivious is not the issue.

THAT it happened AT ALL is.

[duffyduff]

102. Robert Welch, the paranoid founder of the paranoid John Birch Society,

would be absolutely spinning in his grave over this turn of events.

[kimbutgar]

103. I hope evidence comes out about international phone call logs that the spy agencies

Use to search for foreign terrorists That show the direct connections between Russia to orange hitler and the RNC. It would not shock me if Reince priebus worked with them to flip the election. And what If there are call logs between Russia to red state SOS's days leading up to the election? I think there is irrefutable evidence out there and the current adminstration is either timing it or scared it will blow up the country and just accept the results.

[LaydeeBug]

106. This really is a national security issue. nt

[coco22]

105. We need to bring up McConnell..

and Paul Ryan in every conversation with them the same way the republicons go on every show and repeat the same line. We need to show how Mitch McConnell is in working with the Russians.

[LaydeeBug]

109. we certainly do. Also, it's my understanding McConnell is a closet 'mo

Narnia might be coming...

[iluvtennis]

110. Harry Reid flagged the issue for Comey. But for Comey, only Hillary's emails mattered...

George Takei ?@GeorgeTakei Dec 10
Harry Reid flagged the issue for Comey. But for Comey, only Hillary's emails mattered. Comey sat on this. Shameful.

Letter that Reid wrote to Comey in August about Russian interference in elections
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3035844/Reid-Letter-to-Comey.pdf

[LaydeeBug]

111. It's not just shameful. It's TREASON. nt

[LaydeeBug]

114. The White House came out against this back in October. The info was OUT there. The Media became an

arm of the KGB.

[LaydeeBug]

118. Monday morning shameless kick. nt

[duhneece]

119. It's that an act of war was committed by Russia nt

[ucrdem]

120. It's starting to get traction:

NYT: McCain Calls Russian Hacking a ‘Form of Warfare’
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?_r=0

Who'da thunk?

[LaydeeBug]

121. They are trying to "move along" because they know this happened. nt