Do NOT let them frame the fucking narrative.

[LaydeeBug]

Russia did this. Trump was their puppet.

Had Russia not done this, HRC would be in transition right now.

NO. Bernie could not have stopped this. They just would have fixed it a different way.

The KGB/GOP orchestrated this, and DU was taken down for a reason. Now they're here being third wayers.

Don't let those motherfuckers get away with it.

Let it sink.

[LexVegas]

1. Rec. nt

[guillaumeb]

2. The 1% owns the media and has been framing every issue since about 1970.

And some Democrats say nothing about this framing by the media. They pretend that the media actually is interested in anything but ratings and profit.

[meow2u3]

3. K&R for taking back the narrative

[MFM008]

4. Cnn

Was poo pooling this earlier.
Oh there's no :"PROOF" ...
they didn't say it was actually "stolen"..an" intelligence 911 " way to harsh to say that.
Those were the "news casters..
Fuck you all.

[mopinko]

5. yeah, fuck their compromise they are pushing.

trolls rarely get under my skin, but suggesting that the electors could act, but would somehow be compelled to choose a compromise candidate rather than award it to the winner. saw one pushing paul ryan.

fuck your compromise.
kiss my shiny metal ass.

it's gonna be a crazy week people.

[LaydeeBug]

13. and the "bbbut, but, they didn't hack the election". YES THEY FUCKING DID.

This was coordinated.

Trump abruptly stops campaigning in all swing states? He's in daily contact with them?

Get the fuck out of here.

They did it

[mopinko]

20. yeah the whole "surprising strength in rural areas"

just like w got a surprise push of "values voters".

personally think the 5 a day stops to podunk were to recruit rubes for the plan. or at least to look the other way about the plan.

[LaydeeBug]

21. notice how they kept the doors to places closed

and had the people line up in two aisles to make it look like a lot more people were there.

Had HRC done the same, the headline would read, "Why is HRC leaving her supporters in the heat?"

[mopinko]

22. if it were hillary

man, i got a feeling i will be uttering that phrase ad nauseum for a while.

[duffyduff]

6. Sick of the posts trying to put blame on HRC.

This was ALL out of her control.

The Democratic Party trashing needs to stop.

[hellofromreddit]

7. Oh, stop crying about Russia

Digging up and airing dirty laundry is something that campaigns have had to face forever. If her campaign was actually sunk by that, her campaign was sunk anyway.

Bernie totally could have stopped it, now that you mention it. He ran a good campaign and up against an idiot like Trump he could have drawn one hell of a contrast.

[BainsBane]

10. Yet somehow Bernie couldn't beat

The candidate you insist was so weak.

You really don't understand the severity of this. You're so fixated on the politics of personality you haven't grasped what Russian interference means to national security, the integrity of the electoral process and our democracy. McConnell and Ryan aren't holding hearings because they are heartbroken that Hillary lost.

[hellofromreddit]

11. "You really don't understand the severity of this." Then explain it.

Do tell, because I was told again and again throughout the primaries that political parties can get away with being biased against their own candidates and discard voters because they're private entities and not the government itself. Well, Russia taking advantage of a private entity's poor network security and system administration (remember the Uretsky thing?) was never a big deal before.

But now, all of a sudden, the same people selling us that line about private entities have changed their tune in a drastic way. This is national security! Forgive me if I expect a smidgen more explanation for that 180 than some insulting language from the usual clique.

By what standard is this a national security breech? Because it embarrassed our candidate? We had plenty of foreign leaders endorsing candidates all election season and in seasons past. No complaints about that. We had plenty of opinions out of foreign news outlets. No complaints about that.

So have at it; tell me what the standard is. Because it sure does look like "I don't want to eat crow" is the only standard being applied by the party right now.

[leftynyc]

18. Bernie would have lost 40 states

I have zero reason to eat crow and neither does anyone else who supported Hillary.

[George II]

12. "Bernie totally could have stopped it". Really? How?

Maybe he did run "a good campaign", but it wasn't good enough was it?

[ancianita]

8. You got the narrative wrong. Globalists fixed this. Just happened to know some guys.

They live in Russia. Kaspersky comes to mind. Check them out and all their black/white hats.

Ain't no calling us to "don't let those motherfuckers get away with it". We ain't in their league and you know it.

More to let sink.

[LaydeeBug]

14. "We ain't in their league and you know it?" Speak for yourself honeychild.

"Never doubt that small group of people" ...oh never mind.

[ancianita]

17. I'm describing. Not endorsing. Don't try to make this about the participants.

[LaydeeBug]

24. I'm not the one doing that...*you* are. "We ain't in their league". nt

[greytdemocrat]

9. Kicked for da Bug!!!

[triron]

15. knr again

[zonkers]

16. I agree and rec. but what does one do with a post like this? March on D.C.? Write our congressman.

[LaydeeBug]

19. every time they say "move on", you say RUSSIA. nt

[True_Blue]

23. Exactly right!

I'm not buying into the memes that the election was about this issue or it was about that issue. Those are just excuses used to cover up the fact that they rigged the election.

[LaydeeBug]

27. They are even doing it on THIS very thread. nt

[karynnj]

25. Proving Russia did this does not prove it cost HRC the election

An easier case to be made is that the Comey letters did -- and even that can not be actually proven. Consider what the wikileaks contained and ask yourself if anyone on the fence would have been persuaded to vote for Trump rather than Clinton because of it.

The worst leaks were the DNC leaks. There the impact was that several top people were kicked out and it could be seen that the DNC was in the tank for HRC. On the latter, I doubt that came as a surprise to anyone -- it was pretty obvious. Were the people kicked out more capable than their replacements? Would the campaign strategy been different?

I would suggest that the reason she lost WI was due to voter suppression -- because of the need for ids that were hard for some to get. There was also voter suppression in North Carolina and a few other states. Why am I risking the anger of some questioning that it was the hacking, because VOTER SUPPRESSION was the reason that we also lost 2000 and 2004. Even with the ballot problems in both 2000 FL and 2004 OH, without the felons list and the actions to limit the vote of Haitian Americans in FL or the inadequate number of machines in OH -- Gore and Kerry would have won. This is an ongoing problem and democracy requires that we fix it. We should have done so when we had more power.

[SpicyBoi]

26. I'm uncomfortable

With the amount of anti-Russian rhetoric that's exploded on these boards.

It sounds like we want retaliation, and I don't think that will end well.