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Chipper Chat

(9,584 posts)
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:55 PM Dec 2016

This is really beginning to resemble Watergate.

I remember the early Washington Post rumblings which were loudly discredited by Nixon mouthpiece Ron Ziegler and other republicans. Finally, after more and more damning crap trickled out there were enough pressured republican senators to agree to hearings which were TELEVISED. The whole country watched. We all knew Nixon ordered the break in and it was just a matter of time before the truth came out (thank you Mr. Magnetic Tape).
However, I don't have the same hopefulness about today's dilemma. The Trump Machine is very ruthless and powerful. I guess the question now is does the public care enough about the Good ol' USA to turn against the beloved Con Man? And do our GOP representatives (including the "college electors&quot care enough about the future of our country to do the right thing and demand action? Or is loyalty to the coming dictator more important?.

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This is really beginning to resemble Watergate. (Original Post) Chipper Chat Dec 2016 OP
Good assessment. triron Dec 2016 #1
"I am not a Pooty Poot Puppet." - Comrade Casino (R) Achilleaze Dec 2016 #2
DUZY Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #3
During Watergate - We Had A Press That Had Journalistic Integrity...... global1 Dec 2016 #4
We also had some republicans in government with actual principles who acted enough Dec 2016 #5
We are sorely lacking in both areas today, sadly. CanonRay Dec 2016 #8
Republicans with integrity are practically nonexistent today virtualobserver Dec 2016 #6
Keith Olbermann is out there - very brave and outspoken on GQ Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #13
Which is why Keith... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #32
Which is why Keith... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #37
What we have now may even be better... Blanks Dec 2016 #7
A stark contrast in conscience between two Indiana politicians: Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #9
There are many journalists with integrity today La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #41
Trump is such a loose cannon and not politically savvy so I imagine if his fingerprints are on this Glimmer of Hope Dec 2016 #10
republicans learned many valuable lesson from watergate unblock Dec 2016 #11
Much, much worse than Watergate. n/t MBS Dec 2016 #12
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #14
I've been angry and disgusted, plenty of time. MBS Dec 2016 #15
We have every right to be terrified CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #18
I remember Watergate... kentuck Dec 2016 #16
If evidence of bugging of Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #17
knr. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #19
I remember Watergate this is x10. Nixon didn't conspire with an enemy doc03 Dec 2016 #20
well, didn't he have secret negotiations on the Vietnam war -- some secret deal to end the war Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #25
Nixon did that in 1968, with Claire Chennault and van Thieu. LBJ had the KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #29
right-- thanks for the reminder! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #35
Much worse that Watergate jimlup Dec 2016 #21
A big difference is Republicans control both houses... C Moon Dec 2016 #22
yep... fascism, here we come!!! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #26
That would give them President Pence, though NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30
far worse than watergate but media is worse than then JI7 Dec 2016 #23
By the time this is over, Watergate will seem like a quaint political incident. Paladin Dec 2016 #24
Nixon was plenty creepy with the Vietnam war going on and the cold war backdrop Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #28
Nixon was a shrewd politician, with a great deal of government experience. Paladin Dec 2016 #33
He was a mentally ill, treasonous bastard and worse than Trump because he had a brain. duffyduff Dec 2016 #38
I'll just restrain myself and suggest you back the fuck off. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #39
Watergate was a trial run, so to speak... IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2016 #27
No, as bad as that was relayerbob Dec 2016 #31
Agree triron Dec 2016 #34
Not really. Coyotl Dec 2016 #36
Watergate was a bunch of amateurs... Orsino Dec 2016 #40
this. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #42

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. "I am not a Pooty Poot Puppet." - Comrade Casino (R)
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:59 PM
Dec 2016

"Oh, and I, um, did not have electoral treason with that Evil Empire, Russia." - Comrade Casino (R - Family Values)

global1

(25,104 posts)
4. During Watergate - We Had A Press That Had Journalistic Integrity......
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:04 PM
Dec 2016

I'm talking about Woodward and Bernstein and newspapers that dug down for the truth. We also had 'Deep Throat' a person that - in my opinion - was a true patriot - that risked his career and life to take down Nixon. We also had Party (Repug) notables that put the country before partisanship and went to the WH and put pressure on Nixon (one of their own) to resign.

Look at what we have today. Need I say more?

enough

(13,226 posts)
5. We also had some republicans in government with actual principles who acted
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:06 PM
Dec 2016

honorably during the process.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
6. Republicans with integrity are practically nonexistent today
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

There are no journalists with gravitas today.

Chipper Chat

(9,584 posts)
13. Keith Olbermann is out there - very brave and outspoken on GQ
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

but he is shouting from the floor of the Pacific Ocean.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
32. Which is why Keith...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

Needs to GET BACK on Television, however, no MSM Network will hire him as they are all in Cheeto Trumpskin's Ass....

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
37. Which is why Keith...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:29 PM
Dec 2016

Needs to GET BACK on Television, however, no MSM Network will hire him as they are all in Cheeto Trumpskin's Ass....

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
7. What we have now may even be better...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

They don't seem to care who they're making the money off.

If it's sensational, they'll run it. I'm seeing push back in shows where they just gave Trump a pass.

They'll tear him down as soon as something concrete emerges.

Chipper Chat

(9,584 posts)
9. A stark contrast in conscience between two Indiana politicians:
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:12 PM
Dec 2016

William Ruckleshaus and Mike Pence.
And any reporter today who would dare uncover the smoking gun on Trump would be immediately "DanRathered."

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
41. There are many journalists with integrity today
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:03 AM
Dec 2016

Several spring to mind from wapo, nytimes, and vox. The fact that people eschew print journalism in favor of tv journalism, is the bigger issue.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
10. Trump is such a loose cannon and not politically savvy so I imagine if his fingerprints are on this
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:15 PM
Dec 2016

they won't be difficult to find.

unblock

(51,797 posts)
11. republicans learned many valuable lesson from watergate
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:15 PM
Dec 2016

don't record anything, don't admit anything, lie bigger and bigger, distract by accusing democrats of the same or worse, get outraged over nothing, tilt the playing field with disenfranchisement laws, steal elections with the court, etc.

... and stop with the dirty tricks and crimes. yeah, right!

CountAllVotes

(20,835 posts)
14. +1,000 !!
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:30 PM
Dec 2016

A hell of a lot scarier than Watergate! We've been sold out lock stock and barrel!

Damn them, damn them all!!!



MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. I've been angry and disgusted, plenty of time.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

But this is the first time I've been truly terrified.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
17. If evidence of bugging of
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:36 PM
Dec 2016

DNC office is proved,holy crap kiddies. Remember,one of the Spook Agencies alluded to that during the Summer. The office was swept twice,only finding evidence that a recording device had been present some 8-10 feet from Donna Brazzile's Office door. There were fake Volunteers who infiltrated this office. With all of the hustle and bustle around these Offices,phonies try to join in. This might be the soaking gun.

doc03

(34,978 posts)
20. I remember Watergate this is x10. Nixon didn't conspire with an enemy
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:30 PM
Dec 2016

leader to get elected president.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
25. well, didn't he have secret negotiations on the Vietnam war -- some secret deal to end the war
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:41 PM
Dec 2016

that never happened?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
29. Nixon did that in 1968, with Claire Chennault and van Thieu. LBJ had the
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:45 PM
Dec 2016

goods on Tricky Dick but couldn't go public . . . Because LBJ used illegal wiretaps to get the goods.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
21. Much worse that Watergate
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Dec 2016

because the Republican majority in congress will now circle the wagons. Further, the fate of the country and in fact the world hangs in the balance. That wasn't as much the case back in the '70's.

That didn't really happen that way during watergate. They tried and failed.

C Moon

(12,157 posts)
22. A big difference is Republicans control both houses...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:59 PM
Dec 2016

and Republicans are about as American as Putin—they won't vote against themselves; So everything will be swept under the carpet.

NewJeffCT

(56,825 posts)
30. That would give them President Pence, though
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

However, I generally agree - I looked it up the other day. Democrats held the Senate by a 58-42 margin and had somewhere a little north of 250 seats in the House.

To charge Nixon, the Democrats only needed a simple majority in the House and would have needed to swing only 9 out of 42 Republican votes to convict.

Paladin

(28,085 posts)
24. By the time this is over, Watergate will seem like a quaint political incident.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:21 PM
Dec 2016

At no time did the Watergate hearings and revelations make me fear for the very existence of the United States. Watergate never made me consider the possibility of mass, armed uprisings against a dangerous regime. I think that's exactly where we're headed.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
28. Nixon was plenty creepy with the Vietnam war going on and the cold war backdrop
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:44 PM
Dec 2016

but you're right, I don't think there was the imminent threat of an overtly fascist regime with Nixon. I think the big thing to watch for will be whether Trump tries to use troops to deport immigrants. If there is any sign of that, we are screwed beyond belief.

Paladin

(28,085 posts)
33. Nixon was a shrewd politician, with a great deal of government experience.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

For all his vast faults, he knew how the game was played, and when his own party turned against him, he bowed out. Contrast that with what we're facing, now.

I talked to an old friend of mine recently. He was distraught because he's gay and he's rightfully fearful of reprisals against the LGBT community by Trump and his goon followers. I ended up offering him and his partner sanctuary and protection, should things end up as bad as that. In my worst nightmares, I never imagined having to take such an action in this country. God help us all.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
38. He was a mentally ill, treasonous bastard and worse than Trump because he had a brain.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:34 PM
Dec 2016

Please don't try to sugarcoat Nixon. He was the worst president we ever had in this country. What he did sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks and then stretching out the Vietnam War for four more goddamned years just so he could be elected and re-elected president is truly beyond the pale.

Trump isn't in the White House yet.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
40. Watergate was a bunch of amateurs...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:55 AM
Dec 2016

...pursued by a press corps still somewhat invested in uncovering truth.

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