The fringe left solution

[hellofromreddit]

Don't treat those voters like trash. Hear what they have to say, build on it where there's common ground, respectfully explain things where there isn't common ground. For the ones that yell, just ignore that until they get tired of yelling.

All the cutesy crap like the ponies meme or the berniebros smear is the stuff of vindictive childhood bullies and belongs in the pigpen with the pigs we oppose.

Problem solved.

[LonePirate]

1. If the fringe left wants respect then they should start treating other lefties with respect as well.

[baldguy]

3. +1000

[hellofromreddit]

19. You can demand respect or earn it. Earning it usually entails taking a few verbal lumps.

Oh, the horror of having to brush off an insult or two once in a while!

You want their votes or not? I'm not saying you have to kowtow to the fringe, just stop going out of your way to insult them during a campaign. Other people in the party will then have room to get work done so you don't even have to look at those folks.

Low bar, high return. Where's the problem?

[Go Vols]

22. Where does the fringe start?

The sitting Prez says he would be a moderate republican if it were the '80s.

Didn't care much for them/Raygun, then either.

"Obama: I'd be a moderate Republican if this were the 1980s"

[hellofromreddit]

23. That's a good point. "Fringe" depends on who's doing the labeling.

Another reason the pettiness we're consumed with these days costs us so much at the polls.

[NCTraveler]

2. BoBers aren't any better than the pigs we oppose.

Many resemble nothing from the left.

You want to talk about people who are vindictive and act like childhood bullies, look no further than the number of BoBers who wished death upon Clinton and cheered the thought of a bunch of men pissing on her face. Many of the "pigs we oppose" are class acts compared to BoBers. By definition, BoBers found Clinton to be as bad as Trump. Fucking dolts.

[duffyduff]

7. What lies at the root of them is misogyny.

They are the flip side of the Trumpsters. I personally don't care about them.

Bernie Sanders is moot. He is 75 years old and will probably retire in the not too distant future.

[LexVegas]

4. You're not on the left, let alone the fringe left. Most of us can see that.

[Coventina]

13. +1

[BainsBane]

17. +1

[hellofromreddit]

21. Oh? Do tell.

[Wounded Bear]

5. My experience with those on the "fringe" is...

that they never stop yelling, don't listen to anything couched in a respectful tone, and basically will not concede the existance of common ground. Seems to apply to left and right.

Nice try, though.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

6. Fringe left?

You mean the spoiled brats that took their ball and went home?

Contempt is all they deserve.

[JTFrog]

8. Try harder. nt

[LanternWaste]

9. As long as I read or hear the idiocy of "Clinton thought it was her turn..."

As long as I continue to read or hear the idiocy of such jewels of abject wisdom and nihilistic cleverness such as "Clinton thought it was her turn..." I'll presume it's the idiots who need to reach out to us, cupcake.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Problem solved, part deux.

[bettyellen]

10. HA.

[NCTraveler]

11. Here is the leader of the BoB movement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-lost-get-over-it-and-stop-blaming_us_584fba63e4b0151082221e8a

Right wing troll can pound sand with the rest of them.

[otohara]

12. But They Helped Usher In Trump/Putin

and that's unforgivable....

I'm more disgusted with those in the lefty media who encouraged #NeverHillary to their millions of Hillary haters.

[BobbyDrake]

14. Been called "neoliberal corporate shill" by them too much to care now when they demand

civility and a "no insults" policy. They were fine throwing insults at the start of the primary and all through the convention, and only started crying when they started getting hit by some themselves.

Typical bully behavior.

[BainsBane]

16. But that's different

We are expected to be deferential to our betters.

[Orsino]

18. You mean like Hillary Clinton did?

Incorporating "fringe left" ideas into the platform that we all voted for?

You ask too much of us, surely.

[hellofromreddit]

20. Yeah, pretty much like Hillary did

It got drowned out in all the campaign noise at the time, but she did in fact do it.

Unfortunately, lots of her supporters didn't follow suit and still won't drop the grudge. Seeing as we just got shellacked, we need as many of those votes as we can get.

[George II]

25. You seem to be going from thread to thread putting down Democrats, claiming they got "shellacked....

...here, other rhetoric elsewhere.

As pointed out, Democrats did NOT just get shellacked, in fact we GAINED ground last month.

How do you explain gaining seats in both houses and Clinton getting 2.6+ million more votes than her opponent being "shellacked"?

[hellofromreddit]

27. Another accusation? Neat. Don't lead with that in the future.

But to answer your question, here ya go. Contains plenty of links to data.

Plus oval office, exec orders, ambassadorships, foreign policy, SCOTUS, federal appointments across the board, etc, etc.

You tell me a better word than shellacked after losing so much to a TV joke.

[NanceGreggs]

28. I don't remember seeing any ...

... HRC supporters claiming they'd never support Bernie if their candidate-of-choice didn't get the nomination.

It was certain Bernie supporters who didn't "follow suit" and held onto their grudge all the way to the polls, as they voted Trump or third party.

There's nothing like a little revisionist history to bring out those who believe it.

[hellofromreddit]

29. Consider your memory jogged.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511939772

[NanceGreggs]

31. Was that supposed to represent ...

... the people here who said they'd never vote for Bernie?



You've really got to try harder!

[hellofromreddit]

33. Golly, I could have sworn there was a goal post right here a minute ago!

I quote:

I don't remember seeing any

You, uh, want to borrow my dictionary?

[NanceGreggs]

34. And I don't remember seeing that post.

But then, I avoided certain posters for a long time, so that's not surprising.

I notice that OP was not exactly met with "yeah, me too" responses - other than a few who were, surprisingly enough, low-count posters no longer with us.

If you're trying to push the meme that HRC supporters refused to vote Bernie if he was the chosen nominee, you're going to have to do better than this.

[hellofromreddit]

36. Good thing I'm not doing that then

And I don't remember seeing that post.

I never saw it before either, but it took all of a minute to find.

If you're trying to push the meme that HRC supporters refused to vote Bernie if he was the chosen nominee, you're going to have to do better than this.

I'm not even trying to do that a little. All of you screaming at me need to dial it down a notch or two.

I'm arguing against the OP after OP after OP railing against "all these foolish kids and fringe lunatics that cost Hillary the election." What actually caused the loss is very complicated, and we're not likely to ever fully sort it out. But one thing is for certain: this rush to factionalism is utterly self-defeating. So I'm pushing back against that nonsense.

[George II]

24. "They" get the treatment they give other voters, and being respectful goes both ways.

[still_one]

26. I sure won't forget those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary

[hellofromreddit]

32. Pot meet kettle

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=125023

Found it when I was digging up an example for nance. Thanks for the laugh!

[still_one]

35. That was the context during the primaries. BIG DIFFERENCE THAN THE GENERAL ELECTION

I live in California, and I wasn't going to vote for Sanders in the primary

I was always was clear that I would be voting for the Democratic nominee whoever it was in the general election.

Also, it was a comment related to Sanders' pushing the LIE that Hillary was "money laundering through the Hillary Victory Fund.


Continue your stalking, er, I mean searching

[Charles Bukowski]

30. The only thing I want to hear from the Bernie Bros

is the sound of them munching on the giant shit sandwich Trump is about to serve them. I hope these progressive puritans bring their appetite.

[synergie]

37. And what about that cutesey crap like "corrupt" and "corporate" and the various

other vindictive, vicious stuff of adult bullies that really were the exact same level of hate, and actual talking points that were coming from this group that made them indistinguishable from those in the pigpen?

Can they leave that there, and stop with the RW smears, the lies, the misogyny, the abuse and the nastiness? That might solve the problem too.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

38. Where's the fringe middle solution?