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think

(11,641 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:50 AM Dec 2016

Reid: 'The DNC has done nothing for state organizations

Reid: 'The DNC has done nothing for state organizations’

BY MARK HENSCH - 12/13/16 09:11 PM EST

~Snip~

“The DNC does nothing to help state organizations,” he told BuzzFeed during a Tuesday interview at the Newseum in Washington, D.C. "That’s where they should be spending their time. We need the DNC to do that.

“One of my fundraisers … he said, ‘The DNC is nothing but a big, dark hole,’" the retiring Nevada senator added. "'The money comes and goes in that hole and nothing happens,’ and that’s right."

Reid questioned the DNC focusing its work on presidential election years....

~Snip~

“Bernie Sanders – I think what he did is really quite remarkable. He didn’t have a single fundraiser. He just raised over the internet. I would hope the people who are going to run the DNC look at that.”

Read more:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/310308-reid-the-dnc-has-done-nothing-for-state-organizations

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Reid: 'The DNC has done nothing for state organizations (Original Post) think Dec 2016 OP
Reid. The position is waiting. +1. He would be a great fighter. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #1
I doubt he'd want it yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #6
Not sure if he would or not. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #7
I agree. He's been doing great knocking repugs since election yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #9
I can REALLY see your immense concern, yeoman6987. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #30
actually he only used the nuclear option on appointees (except for SCOTUS) dsc Dec 2016 #44
Oh thanks. So regardless we're fucked for four years yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #48
Are you taunting us again, yeoman6987? Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #50
Glad to see Bernie getting credit for being a fundraising genius. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #2
He just replicated what Howard Dean did. And Howard Dean was passed over by Sanders supporters KittyWampus Dec 2016 #13
Thanks for pointing that out. Howard Dean WhiteTara Dec 2016 #16
Bernie did no such thing... he's an original! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #55
"But Bernie LOST!!!" wait for it yodermon Dec 2016 #3
Factual statement but I'm not sure what it has to do with the op. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #8
Nothing to do with the OP poster. I'm referencing yodermon Dec 2016 #12
The only way your point is relevant is if you are stating the op has a track record. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #15
I'm completely confused. I agree with the OP and Harry Reid. yodermon Dec 2016 #17
"I'm completely confused. I agree with the OP and Harry Reid." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20
Respectfully, I don't see Yoderman's comments directed in a personal way... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #41
I sure would like a Democrat to lead the Democratic Party WhiteTara Dec 2016 #18
party over policy. duly noted. yodermon Dec 2016 #22
actually for party chair that is rather the point dsc Dec 2016 #45
Even afer Bernie recycles himself in the Vermont mountains, the Party must overhaul itself... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #42
He IS a Democrat. pangaia Dec 2016 #51
He SELF declares as an Independent WhiteTara Dec 2016 #56
He is a democrat. pangaia Dec 2016 #57
Well, don't tell him that. I asked his office WhiteTara Dec 2016 #59
See, here is the issue. you are talking about a word,, I am talking about what he does pangaia Dec 2016 #60
Sanders is a liberal. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #61
He sure did. Ran a lousy campaign that did nothing to register voters and get them to the polls AND KittyWampus Dec 2016 #14
and such a lousy campaign got him the 4th most votes in Dem Primary History, yodermon Dec 2016 #21
He never released his taxes. And he and his wife came up with bogus story after bogus story. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #23
To hell with Bernie then. The person/personality, just fuck him. *What of his message?* yodermon Dec 2016 #24
His only message was ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #27
Do you really care about his taxes? In terms of ideology, Bernie is much closer... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #34
if we care about Trump's taxes, and I for one do, then we should also care about Bernie's dsc Dec 2016 #46
Yeah, he impacted the norms of civility without any concern for the race for POTUS.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #52
Working on local Campaign in 2014 Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #33
IMO, the Party has written off most states, preferring to eke out just a few... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #38
In 2000 the one statement that hit home was, Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #40
He won Michigan. KamaAina Dec 2016 #62
the next head of the DNC should study the Reid machine in NV as a model nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4
The Nevada Reid Machine is the Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #35
Thanks, Debbie! Iggo Dec 2016 #5
She was a complete and utter disaster. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #10
They need to make a lot of changes NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #11
More importantly, IMO, we need a strong, clear, aggressive liberal speaking the gospel. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #29
I was hoping NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #32
"There's a DNC?" Lochloosa Dec 2016 #19
To Floridians, DNC means Democrats Not Certifiable. By Debbie. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #39
Or not on the ballot. Lochloosa Dec 2016 #53
Maybe it's because they don't have the dough? frazzled Dec 2016 #25
Debbie sent me two hard copy mailings, asking me to rate issue importance... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #43
I'm sure many Texas Democrats support gun safety measures frazzled Dec 2016 #47
Answers: Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #66
Yeah, and DWS was also vocal about her support for imprisoning medical marijuana users. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #58
She showed like a peacock on gun control and pot prohibition, both. In FL and TX. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #65
How does the DNC get money? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #26
If Harry Reid is saying this, TAKE NOTE establishment Democrats. NT Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #28
Paging Doctor Howard Dean! Paging Howard Dean! Oh wait... apnu Dec 2016 #31
Why get the right person for the job when it's someone else's turn? Iggo Dec 2016 #37
We definitely need to do more to win at the state and local level. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #36
Yup, Reid is right. The primary showed us that we can skip big donors and still raise funds. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #54
But what about Hillary's DNC deal with the states? Didn't that help them? JudyM Dec 2016 #63
Um, yeah, Harry, we know all that. JudyM Dec 2016 #64
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. I doubt he'd want it
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:03 PM
Dec 2016

I'm still concerned that he used the nuclear option for everything but Supreme Court and economic bills. That's concerning now that repugs only need 50 votes for cabinet positions.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
44. actually he only used the nuclear option on appointees (except for SCOTUS)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:19 PM
Dec 2016

economic bills are passed via reconciliation which only needed 50 votes before we did the nuclear option.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
48. Oh thanks. So regardless we're fucked for four years
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:27 PM
Dec 2016

I guess once in a long while a few repugs may say no to trump but otherwise he gets whatever he wants? Ugh!!!!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
13. He just replicated what Howard Dean did. And Howard Dean was passed over by Sanders supporters
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:16 PM
Dec 2016

even though Dean was successful and doesn't need on the job training.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. Factual statement but I'm not sure what it has to do with the op.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:04 PM
Dec 2016

Seems like you are saying the op has built a reputation. That's not nice.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
12. Nothing to do with the OP poster. I'm referencing
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:10 PM
Dec 2016

the proclivity of the anti-Bernie brigade to show up and completely dismiss his message, movement and momentum by virtue of the primary scoreboard. I'm mean who wants to support a loser, right?

It's nice to see some establishment Democrats appreciating what Bernie has done and at least making some noise about trying to emulate him.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. The only way your point is relevant is if you are stating the op has a track record.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:22 PM
Dec 2016

Your clarification doesn't make it any nicer. You are literally doing an aggressive and preemptive call-out. Funny enough, you wrapped the op up in it as well.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
17. I'm completely confused. I agree with the OP and Harry Reid.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:52 PM
Dec 2016

Yes I am preemptively calling out unnamed anti-Bernie posters who always point to his loss as an excuse to dismiss his message/ strategy. It is a tangential point to the original post. Yes it is snarky.
I have no idea why you desire to put words in my mouth regarding the OP.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. "I'm completely confused. I agree with the OP and Harry Reid."
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

I agree with Reid here as well.

Maybe it would have helped if that was the cornerstone of your reply. Instead, it was about questioning members of the community here.

Though you were factually correct. Bernie lost.

In case you forgot, here is your reply in its totality.

""But Bernie LOST!!!" wait for it"

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
41. Respectfully, I don't see Yoderman's comments directed in a personal way...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:55 PM
Dec 2016

Most of us wlll outlive Bernie, and watch Hillary take up other activities. The questions remain: Will the Party change? In what direction? How much? Right now there is too much negative attention paid to the personalities of the PE Democrats, and the "Deplorable®" unworthiness of a huge portion of the American population which, by Party definition, we must appeal to.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
18. I sure would like a Democrat to lead the Democratic Party
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:02 PM
Dec 2016

When will he become a Democrat is my question.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
45. actually for party chair that is rather the point
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:20 PM
Dec 2016

the one and only job of DNC chair is to build the Democratic party.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
42. Even afer Bernie recycles himself in the Vermont mountains, the Party must overhaul itself...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:00 PM
Dec 2016

with a good message which millions will find appealing. Frankly, if any competent soul stands up for these changes, and adheres to the Constitution, I don't care if he/she is a member of the Free Beer Party.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
59. Well, don't tell him that. I asked his office
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:08 PM
Dec 2016

and they say NO. He will not join the Party or be a part of it.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
61. Sanders is a liberal.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:47 PM
Dec 2016

I often equate liberalism and the Democratic party, but I've seen posters here argue against that equivalency.

If liberalism is less important than party identification, then I suppose we should all start aligning ourselves with people like Andrew Jackson and not complain about his political beliefs/policies.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
14. He sure did. Ran a lousy campaign that did nothing to register voters and get them to the polls AND
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

he is tone-deaf when it comes to social justice. Just find what he said about Political Correctness 2 nights ago.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
21. and such a lousy campaign got him the 4th most votes in Dem Primary History,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:08 PM
Dec 2016

and with no corporate donors(!). Instead of punching down on him from your DNC high horse, why don't you take a look at what *worked* in his campaign, as Harry Reid an Chuck Schumer are suggesting, and then leveraging that into the Democratic party going forward. He has his flaws? of course. Was he the perfect candidate? there is no such thing. But surely you recognize that he tapped into *something* that has been missing from the Democratic party for some time now.

If you're just gonna dismiss him and his message wholesale because "he lost"; well guess what: Hillary LOST so what should we do with HER strategy, hmmmmmmm?

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
24. To hell with Bernie then. The person/personality, just fuck him. *What of his message?*
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:24 PM
Dec 2016

People were drawn to his MESSAGE, especially the rejection of corporate money. Hell, most Bernie supporters would have been just as excited if Liz Warren had run.

We just elected a fucking self-admitted sexual assaulter and you thing picking nits about personality, personal idiosyncrasies, really MATTERS to people??

Take Bernie's message, take Liz's message, distill what worked & what inspired people, and incorporate it into the party IN PRACTICE, not lip service.

ZoomBubba

(289 posts)
27. His only message was ...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:50 PM
Dec 2016

... "Bernie is great! Vote Bernie! Bernie Good! Hillary EVIL! Corporations EVIL! DNC EVIL! MEDIA BAD!"

All he had was a cult of personality. His message could be borrowed from any college Freshman who just discovered politics for the first time and was writing a paper about it.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
34. Do you really care about his taxes? In terms of ideology, Bernie is much closer...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:11 PM
Dec 2016

...to what this Party needs to say and do than is Hillary and the Beltway Democrats. And I think most Americans recognize that. The Party is not served by ideological backsliding to where someone like LBJ is considered a leftist. (Bernie is nothing more than LBJ with a four-barrel carburetor.)

Consider what a rather establishmentarian Reid says. He indicates just how out of tourch the old Party structure is. More importantly, Sanders had a grassroots who put its money where its mouth is, and NO ONE else had that. That is a stark reality, indicating a mass movement which was and is grossly dissatisfied not just with the Party, but with the way the country is heading.

And the country is still heading that way, and those Bernie millions are STILL OUT THERE, waiting.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
52. Yeah, he impacted the norms of civility without any concern for the race for POTUS....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:22 PM
Dec 2016

He ran against Dems and argued to change the actually rules for the race while it was going on. He didn't think about the long game.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
33. Working on local Campaign in 2014
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:07 PM
Dec 2016

and looking for some Ad Money to counter the Tea Bagger Hardy,we sent e-mail after e-mail to Reid asking for some Financial help to counter Hardy's bogus Ads,deaf ears on his end. We lost our State as well as two Congressional Seats. Reid does not want to ruffle his personal friends no matter how they bash him.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
38. IMO, the Party has written off most states, preferring to eke out just a few...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:38 PM
Dec 2016

to win a national campaign. They aren't willing to do the drydock-scale overhaul that will make the Party viable everywhere. Also IMO, it is afraid to change because it would mean taking clear, bright-line stands and policy positions which might offend NOT the populace, but instead the corporations and financiers with which the Beltway has made peace over the last 40 years. Why is there a Third Way? Or a No Labels? Because the Party wants to play dodge ball with an outfit (the GOP) which has no problem labeling themselves -- and Democrats, and have been doing so for decades, and to such an extent that they virtually own over 30 states. And most of this is through default.

I tire so much of hearing people say the "Deplorables" should come to us instead of the other way around. I tire also of the idea that we shouldn't appeal to millions because they voted for a racist or misogynist, as if there are not many here in DU that have not been accused of those transgressions. You attract people with an open door and plans for betterment which are beneficial to all. Telling them to pass through an airport-like ideology scanner while grim-faced Party bureaucrats tap their feet impatiently is to turn the notion of a political party on its head!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
40. In 2000 the one statement that hit home was,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

what became known as the Thirteen State Campaign. We saw some of this in this go around. We knick-named it the Rahmn Emanuel Rule.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
35. The Nevada Reid Machine is the
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:14 PM
Dec 2016

SEIU and other Unions in a Right to work State. This past cycle was all about the Hispanic Community flexing their Voting Rights. Harry twisted the arms of the Casino Moguls to allow Primary Voting on the Stripe and that was the Game changer. Plus great Candidates not some retreaded Hack.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
11. They need to make a lot of changes
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

1) A FULL TIME head of the DNC - nobody splitting time between Congress and heading the DNC. You'd think the failure of Tim Kaine at the head of the DNC would have told them that - but, then we get DWS afterwards.

2) The DNC Head needs to be somebody experienced at running a grassroots type of campaign.

3) We need the return of the 50 State Strategy which was killed by Rahm Emmanuel and his allies in the Senate and House.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
32. I was hoping
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:03 PM
Dec 2016

we'd get Van Jones - smart, good on TV and has run a progressive organization (Color of Change). However, I have not seen his name mentioned at all except in one early article.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
25. Maybe it's because they don't have the dough?
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:44 PM
Dec 2016

I used to send some money to the DNC, but now with every Tom, Dick, and Sally bombarding my email account with dozens of requests for money daily, I've stopped. I gave direct donations to 5 or 6 candidates, some repeatedly. The long primary season didn't help in that respect either.

I suspect that in this age of direct donations, the DNC isn't high on many people's agenda. I used to give more to the DSCC and DCCC too, but everything's spread too thin, and I only gave each a small amount this year.

It also didn't help that there's a huge coterie of Democratic Party haters out there spreading the word that the DNC is the devil's spawn.

Everybody thinks the DNC is some big powerful organization. It's not. And it's getting weaker all the time as candidates prefer to rake in the cash directly from us chumps.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
43. Debbie sent me two hard copy mailings, asking me to rate issue importance...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:10 PM
Dec 2016

I live in Texas, and high on her list of issues was gun-control and banning assault weapons.

In Texas.

At first, I looked for signs that the mailing was from a bogus campaign, a Fifth Column intruder alert. But no. It seems her political tone-deafness exceeded that of a church bell made of cheap cement.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
47. I'm sure many Texas Democrats support gun safety measures
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:23 PM
Dec 2016

including an assault weapons ban. My daughter in law is from Texas, and I know she would.
What's so weird about asking Democrats their opinions on gun control. It's a big Democratic issue. Should we rather mimic the Republicans?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
66. Answers:
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

1). She or anyone can ask all they want, but politically its a no-win issue.

2). The issue is big for certain elite groups in the Party, of passing interest to some more. But there is little evidence to indicate it is a major issue.

3). No need to mimic Republicans. I have held to my pro-2A position long before the GOPers started cashing in big-time on this issue.

It's time Democrats dropped this issue, esp. since crime rates via guns are down significantly, childhood accident deaths via guns are a fraction of what they used to be, and the courts have ruled consistently in favor of 2A. This is a culture war issue whereby Democrats have proven to all how politically masochistic they are.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
58. Yeah, and DWS was also vocal about her support for imprisoning medical marijuana users.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:25 PM
Dec 2016

She couldn't have been a worse chair if she had tried.

Response to think (Original post)

apnu

(8,751 posts)
31. Paging Doctor Howard Dean! Paging Howard Dean! Oh wait...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:03 PM
Dec 2016

... not gonna happen right?

The Democrats worst enemy is Democrats. Never underestimate the party's ability to line up for a circular firing squad.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
36. We definitely need to do more to win at the state and local level.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:16 PM
Dec 2016

Going back to the 50-state strategy is a must. We have to contest every race even for minor positions. It is important because political culture tends to be formed at the state and local level and people have more contact with their state and local reps.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
54. Yup, Reid is right. The primary showed us that we can skip big donors and still raise funds.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:57 PM
Dec 2016

People working at the state and local level are already working hard to learn from the Sanders campaign's successes. Hopefully the national party wakes up to the strategy before it's too late.

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