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pbmus

(12,418 posts)
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:26 PM Dec 2016

The Big Con should be arrested...

Donald J. Trump should be investigated, formally charged and indicted for treason if this turns out to be true. His connections to Vladimir Putin and the FSB should be given a serious look by Congress with the same vigor displayed by Trey Gowdy when his committee investigated Hillary Clinton on Benghazi. Which, in fact, found absolutely nothing that could be considered criminal by any court in this country.

Call the Senate Ethics Committee at 202-224-2981 ask them to investigate Herr Gropenfuhrer until the investigation is complete! You can leave a message on their voicemail.

The definition of treason: 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the U.S. penal code. ~Patrick

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The Big Con should be arrested... (Original Post) pbmus Dec 2016 OP
YES Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #1
YES! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #2
What kind of response did you receive? Does a live human answer, or does the call go to VM? Marengo Dec 2016 #3
Voicemail, you can leave a message..nt pbmus Dec 2016 #4
K n R nm AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #5
You have two witnesses? brooklynite Dec 2016 #6
No witnesses, just batshit theories that would make alex jones proud. dionysus Dec 2016 #15
Yes! Do to him what they did/doing to Manning. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #7
I'd be ok with that. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #18
Gonna have to include members of the FBI too. ffr Dec 2016 #8
Still waiting on certain 'leaders" to utter a single word about this. ehrnst Dec 2016 #9
K&R bdamomma Dec 2016 #10
This has been my guess all along. safeinOhio Dec 2016 #11
Yeah, go full nazi! dionysus Dec 2016 #14
I don't believe in the death penalty LisaM Dec 2016 #26
Neither do I Lisa. I'm just predicting safeinOhio Dec 2016 #27
Let the trial begin! world wide wally Dec 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author bdamomma Dec 2016 #13
My mom's theory about why Trump won't take intelligence briefings BainsBane Dec 2016 #16
I believe your Mom is correct orangecrush Dec 2016 #19
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Dec 2016 #28
Thanks orangecrush Dec 2016 #29
I think the key word here is "enemies". eggplant Dec 2016 #17
well there is that pesky nato thing. mopinko Dec 2016 #21
what "pesky nato thing" are you referring to? onenote Dec 2016 #24
as a matter of law, Russia almost certainly is not an "enemy" of the United States onenote Dec 2016 #23
Put him in jail by all means. Lock him up! Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #20
If he is going to be arrested it better be soon. Once he is sworn in he will totodeinhere Dec 2016 #22
When he gets arrested there will be dancing in the streets mtnsnake Dec 2016 #25

brooklynite

(93,839 posts)
6. You have two witnesses?
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 05:24 PM
Dec 2016

Per the Constitutional n, that or a confession is the only way to convict.

That said, it our Constitution Law Profesor in Chief isn't claiming there's a case here, I'm not getting worked up about this.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
7. Yes! Do to him what they did/doing to Manning.
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 05:29 PM
Dec 2016

Strip him, laugh, lower the temp, shackle to wall in solitary. Oh, and since he wanted to bring back waterboarding and much worse, since waterboarding is for p*says according to Trump, do some really bad stuff we know they did in Iraq and around the world!

ffr

(22,644 posts)
8. Gonna have to include members of the FBI too.
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 05:29 PM
Dec 2016

They love how Russia helped win the election for them too. Comey? Giuliani with his October Surprise news, big news that will be coming out in a few days...how did he know what FBI knew in early October???

LOCK THEM ALL UP!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. Still waiting on certain 'leaders" to utter a single word about this.
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 05:31 PM
Dec 2016

Not going to hold my breath.

safeinOhio

(32,526 posts)
11. This has been my guess all along.
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 05:52 PM
Dec 2016

Congress can't impeach him because of the backlash from the teabags.
Their only way out is to have the CIA/FBI charge him with treason and hang him.

LisaM

(27,758 posts)
26. I don't believe in the death penalty
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:58 PM
Dec 2016

but I wouldn't mind seeing him languishing in the pokey for a few years.

safeinOhio

(32,526 posts)
27. Neither do I Lisa. I'm just predicting
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:11 PM
Dec 2016

What the PTB might plan. I'd be happier seeing him spending the rest of his life in the poky.

Response to pbmus (Original post)

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
16. My mom's theory about why Trump won't take intelligence briefings
Tue Dec 27, 2016, 06:46 PM
Dec 2016

She says, "of course he doesn't want to meet with the CIA; they have his number." She believes Trump conspired with the Russians and the CIA knows all about it.

Seems plausible to me. There is no rational reason to refuse intelligence briefings. It makes him negligent in any terrorist attack. Something isn't right there.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
24. what "pesky nato thing" are you referring to?
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

This is from NATO's website:

•NATO and Russia have profound and persistent disagreements; however, the Alliance does not seek confrontation and poses no threat to Russia.

Doesn't sound like NATO has declared or even considers Russia an "enemy".

onenote

(42,374 posts)
23. as a matter of law, Russia almost certainly is not an "enemy" of the United States
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:55 PM
Dec 2016

We have many disagreements with Russia (as we do with many other countries to varying degrees), but that doesn't make them an "enemy" as a legal matter.

Courts looking at the concept of "treason" would not give enemy a broader reading than it is given elsewhere in law (and might give it a narrower reading).

Thus, for example, the courts likely would take into consideration the definition found in title 50 of the US Code (War and National Defense): Section 2204: "the term "enemy" means any country, government, group, or person that has been engaged in hostilities, whether or not lawfully authorized, with the United States."

The term "hostilities" is not defined in title 50, but it is defined in title 10 (Armed Forces). Section 948a - "The term “hostilities” means any conflict subject to the laws of war."

Our differences with Russia do not amount to a conflict subject to the laws of war.

As I've pointed out several times, treason is a very narrowly defined, very infrequently prosecuted offense. Among those not prosecuted for treason: the Rosenbergs (convicted, arguably unfairly, of espionage), John Walker Lindh, Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen, Edward Snowden....the list is actually quite long.

There is absolutely no chance that Trump will be prosecuted for "treason" nor would there be any chance of him being convicted if such a prosecution was brought. Crimes may have been committed by the Russians and its even possible that Trump was in some way complicit, but even that wouldn't mean he would or could be charged with or convicted of treason.

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
22. If he is going to be arrested it better be soon. Once he is sworn in he will
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:30 PM
Dec 2016

have immunity from prosecution. The only recourse then would be impeachment and conviction by a Republican controlled Congress, which is very unlikely.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
25. When he gets arrested there will be dancing in the streets
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:52 PM
Dec 2016

% Calling out around the world, are you ready for a brand new beat? %

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