I appreciate Rep. Ellison’s effort to shut that piece of shit Hannity up tonight..

[busterbrown]

but I think he let it turn into to much of a yelling match. We have the facts on our side,( for instance on the Deficit) and Ellison should have perhaps stopped Hannity in his tracks and shoved the fucking truth in his face.

From Politifact .



The final Congressional Budget Office baseline deficit projection before Obama took office -- noted in table 5 in this January 2009 CBO report -- showed a fiscal year 2009 deficit of $1.19 trillion.

That figure doesn’t account for any of Obama’s own spending initiatives, such as the stimulus bill. But the deficit grew quickly under Obama: The fiscal 2009 deficit rose to $1.41 trillion and has remained above $1 trillion annually ever since.

But compared to what Obama inherited, the annual deficit has gone down slightly. CBO projects that for fiscal 2012, which has just ended, the fiscal 2012 deficit will be $1.09 trillion

[Spitfire of ATJ]

1. In a recent poll it turns out the rich are obsessed with the deficit....

The rest of us consider jobs and the economy to be more important.

But since the rich OWN Washington what we see is Democrats bragging that they can cut the deficit, lay off more workers and increase profits for the rich better than Republicans.

Mainly because the people who would scream the loudest if Republicans did it are part of their base and will support the effort.

[JHB]

4. Correction: obesessed with low taxes & high profit. Their worry about the deficit does not extend...

...to accepting higher top-end taxation, nor to accepting higher overhead (reducing profits) by paying higher wages to give employees more spending power to stimulate the economy through "free market" means.


If the deficit is a WW2-grade threat and the biggest share of it was incurred by the Bush tax cuts, then maybe WW2-grade taxation is in order. Or at least the fraction-of-WW2-rates that existed under Clinton.

But the "obsessed with the deficit" people seem to have other priorities than reducing it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

5. Some of them honestly believe government could make a profit if they ran it.

[LiberalFighter]

2. Ellison made a mistake comparing him to a journalist.

[lunatica]

3. Yeah

Comparing him to a sack of shit would have been more appropriate.

[Arkana]

6. Hannity's one of those schmucks who needs yelling at.

We tried being calm and rational; it didn't work.