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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:15 AM Mar 2013

Ezra Klein - "The Senate Democrats’ vague, conservative (as in preserves existiing benefits) budget"

I think Ezra Klein is getting too cute in calling Patty Murray's budget "conservative" because it does not propose to dramatically upend existing benefit programs. I think the point of Murray's budget is that there is no need to toss out Medicare, for example, since it could be tweaked to make it more revenue neutral without going to a voucher program. In this sense, I think Klein is buying into the media narrative that Republicans are "brave" for attacking benefits to the poor and middle class while offering tax cuts to the rich while Democrats are weak because they are trying to preserve such programs. Its the whole "gift" meme.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/13/the-senate-democrats-vague-conservative-budget/

The surprise when comparing the House Republicans’ budget and the Senate Democrats’ budget is just how much more conservative the Democratic effort is. I don’t mean ideologically conservative, of course. I mean conservative in the sense that the dictionary defines it: “disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.”

There is little in the federal government Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) does not confidently propose to remake. Medicare becomes a voucher system in which we trust government regulators to keep private insurers in line. Medicaid and food stamps are handed over to the states. The tax code is flattened to two brackets. Ideologically speaking, these are very conservative decisions. But in the dictionary sense, they are anything but conservative decisions: Ryan’s budget is almost entirely about upending existing institutions, and his assumed savings reflect an extraordinary confidence that untested reforms will prove wildly successful.

Sen. Patty Murray’s budget, by contrast, is both a more liberal and a more traditionally conservative document. Where Ryan sees the deficit as an opportunity for historic change, Murray treats it as an economic problem that requires a modest set of spending cuts and tax increases to solve. Where Ryan’s proposed deficit-reduction path is fast and severe, Murray moves slowly and cautiously. Where Ryan wants to remake the state and balance the budget, Murray just wants to stabilize and reduce the debt.

But even given that difference in objective, Murray’s budget is deeply, even excessively, respectful of existing institutions. If the problem of Ryan’s budget is that it wants to do far too much, the problem with Murray’s budget is that it is almost entirely devoted to saying what it won’t do, and it gets very vague when the topic turns to what it will.


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Ezra Klein - "The Senate Democrats’ vague, conservative (as in preserves existiing benefits) budget" (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2013 OP
Klien is full of Crap and MSNBC wants to give this idiot a show to repalce Ed Schultz? BS Riverman Mar 2013 #1
Klein Recently Bought Into The Meme That President Obama... TomCADem Mar 2013 #2
are you referring to the "let's be bipartisan" meme that Obama has pushed for 4+ years? nt msongs Mar 2013 #3
msongs - You Can't Have It Both Ways In Defending The Media TomCADem Mar 2013 #6
Chris Hayes gets Ed's old slot, not Ezra Klein. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #5
I don't think the word conservative is insulting in this context. pnwmom Mar 2013 #4

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
2. Klein Recently Bought Into The Meme That President Obama...
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:33 AM
Mar 2013

...should be spending more time schmoozing Republicans, which is part of the narrative that it is Democrats' fault that Republicans are instransient. Maybe Ezra Klein is moving to the middle and buying into some false equivalency so that he will be considered to be a "mainstream" journalist.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
6. msongs - You Can't Have It Both Ways In Defending The Media
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:20 AM
Mar 2013

If you are saying that President Obama has been pushing bipartisanship, then the media meme that he has not done so, and that his latest efforts are too little, too late is false.

Or, if you are saying that the media meme is true, then your statement must be false.

Which is it?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. Chris Hayes gets Ed's old slot, not Ezra Klein.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:47 AM
Mar 2013

Hayes is much better.
Edited to add 'much better than Klein' because I like Ed and Chris both better than Ezra. Hey, there was a band called 'Better Than Ezra' now that I think about it.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
4. I don't think the word conservative is insulting in this context.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:40 AM
Mar 2013

It just means that the budget is similar to many that have passed in the last several decades, during Democratic and Republican administrations. MOST people would think that's a good thing.

The House budget, on the other hand, takes an axe to the social contract that has developed since the days of Eisenhower.

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