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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Sun May 12, 2013, 03:36 AM May 2013

Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform

The immigration reform measure the Senate began debating yesterday would create a national biometric database of virtually every adult in the U.S., in what privacy groups fear could be the first step to a ubiquitous national identification system.

Buried in the more than 800 pages of the bipartisan legislation (.pdf)  is language mandating the creation of the innocuously-named “photo tool,” a massive federal database administered by the Department of Homeland Security and containing names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.

Employers would be obliged to look up every new hire in the database to verify that they match their photo.

This piece of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act is aimed at curbing employment of undocumented immigrants. But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet. Think of it as a government version of Foursquare, with Big Brother cataloging every check-in.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/

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Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform (Original Post) jakeXT May 2013 OP
The Tsarnaev brothers were in the existing databases, Downwinder May 2013 #1
The critters serve their Newest Reality May 2013 #2
Big piles of data are like big piles of shit. bemildred May 2013 #3
Did you ever read "Shibumi"? CrispyQ May 2013 #4
No, but I used to design, implement, and manage custom databases. bemildred May 2013 #5
I may have to look into that, I believe I've heard of it before. bemildred May 2013 #9
Wow, copyright 1979. bemildred May 2013 #10
I didn't realize it was that old, either. CrispyQ May 2013 #11
No, chess, a long time ago. bemildred May 2013 #12
So, we don't need to collect it. grahamhgreen May 2013 #7
Pretty much. bemildred May 2013 #8
That makes sense as a goal of the anti-immigrant right treestar May 2013 #6

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
1. The Tsarnaev brothers were in the existing databases,
Sun May 12, 2013, 06:08 AM
May 2013

but law enforcement was unable to identify them.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Big piles of data are like big piles of shit.
Sun May 12, 2013, 11:43 AM
May 2013

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It's hard to find what you want because of all the other crap.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
4. Did you ever read "Shibumi"?
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:25 PM
May 2013

Fat Boy was a computer database & Llewellyn was the man who had to finely query FB to get the info needed. If he queried too deeply, he was overwhelmed with useless data. If he queried too shallowly, he wouldn't get what he was after. I always remember this when I read about the piles & piles of data they are accumulating.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. No, but I used to design, implement, and manage custom databases.
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:35 PM
May 2013

For big simulations and other things. (Yes, I hate SQL and all it's derivatives too.) So that's how I know.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Wow, copyright 1979.
Fri May 17, 2013, 03:48 PM
May 2013

He even had to invent his own jargon. I am most impressed, Mr. Trevanian is a very smart and prescient fellow.

And fond of obscure puns.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
11. I didn't realize it was that old, either.
Fri May 17, 2013, 06:22 PM
May 2013

It's a good book. I've read it three times, the first time in the early 90s. I fell in love with Nicholaï Hel with the first read, & Llewellyn & Fat Boy with the second. Now, they are the ones I remember first.



ps - I have never played Go, have you?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
12. No, chess, a long time ago.
Fri May 17, 2013, 06:41 PM
May 2013

I mean I have played Go, but not like I had any idea what I was doing. Hopefully this will educate me a little.

I can tell the book has layers of meaning though, sarcasm, irony, puns, he likes to play.

And I just got my new Harpers, down the rabbit hole for me.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. Pretty much.
Mon May 13, 2013, 10:33 AM
May 2013

To be precise, trying to colllect "everything", or the like, is a waste of time. If you don't know what you are going to do with it, the chances are very good you will never do a damn thing with it. The odds against utility are much higher than one would think, and the costs of making such collections useful can get downright astronomical, and that is assuming you have a good idea what you want it for; and it is obvious that people who want to collect "everything" do not.

And people like me can get damn expensive too, and you have to have people like me to deal with messes like that. I used to make my living cleaning up such messes and making them useful for the original intended purpose, if there was one. It's a pain in the ass, but it pays well, and they don't give you any shit.

Good databases are specific databases.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. That makes sense as a goal of the anti-immigrant right
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:46 PM
May 2013

They want to be able to instantly identify who can be here in the U.S. and who can't. Thus the obsession with identity.

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