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Micheal Pap: Obama has to get rid of Eric Holder (Original Post) bigdarryl May 2013 OP
2 questions Bluzmann57 May 2013 #1
Yeh that's who I mean and he does have it in for Holder bigdarryl May 2013 #5
Why don't you refute Pap's criticisms instead of accusing him of being a racist? n/t NOVA_Dem May 2013 #7
fuck that shit.. frylock May 2013 #20
oh, so the only reason Papantonio is harshly critical of Holder choie May 2013 #22
Yeah, that's the excuse for all of the criticism of Obama Doctor_J May 2013 #25
You got it! Both the political left and political right do nothing but blame the BLACK people Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #33
Holder shares a lot of PBO's views..... Parable Arable May 2013 #2
would you love that? I for one want Holder on the US Supreme Court where he belongs forever graham4anything May 2013 #4
I have a very large list of grievances with the job Holder has done. Parable Arable May 2013 #6
Care to be specific? I agree w/him 100% of time. Same with Janet Reno in past.100% perfect graham4anything May 2013 #8
Eh mainly it comes down to his polices on drugs and his approach to dealing with the banks.. Parable Arable May 2013 #9
oh, those issues, never mind. graham4anything May 2013 #12
Toss in a few bananas and there's a bunch of reasons to distrust Holder: think May 2013 #51
That is ridiculous leftynyc May 2013 #15
If only 80% is attained of the 100%, no one else will do better, hence the 80-20 graham4anything May 2013 #16
I didn't think you could make leftynyc May 2013 #18
Actually, it is a billion times better, but some are fixated on a couple of wedge issues graham4anything May 2013 #19
Reading your stupid shit is the mental equivalent of running butt ass naked on a field of Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #31
Reading the truth is always hard. Ad hominem is easier. graham4anything May 2013 #36
Writing incomprehensible word salads sprinkled with a couple Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #37
Anyone against Barack Obama is against me and the 95% of the democratic party graham4anything May 2013 #38
What the fuck does that garbled nonsense have to do with anything Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #39
wow, you and I agree on something-I too wear an 11 1/2 (triple E) Pro Ked or Converse sneaker graham4anything May 2013 #40
Holy shit! I find myself in a bind after reading that moronic claptrap you just wrote. I mean Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #41
as I use e-z-pass, a cell phone, a supermarket discount card, and never use cash... graham4anything May 2013 #42
Why won't you post that information I requested? Are you some kind Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #43
Go back to the altmedia writer in the title this P. guy. He is against Eric Holder graham4anything May 2013 #44
An even more serious question. Are you Brick Tamland? And no I don't Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #45
you didn't answer the last question, which was 100% NOT satire graham4anything May 2013 #46
Are you secretly Rand Paul? Cause in all my years I've never Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #47
Google Jorg Haider and don't make jokes like that graham4anything May 2013 #48
Yeah whatever Rand. You go ahead and Google Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #49
You agree with everything Obama and his administration has done Doctor_J May 2013 #23
Where is your list I'd like to see it upaloopa May 2013 #28
What are the grievances you have with Holder? Just curious. What has he done that has been so Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #34
Maybe a "list" of grievances is extreme, and he isn't the WORST AG ever but..... Parable Arable May 2013 #57
I undertand what you're saying and don't disagree from a political standpoint, but from a LEGAL Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #59
Also, I might as well bombard you with articles. Found these on a GD thread. Parable Arable May 2013 #58
OK... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #61
Holder on the Supreme Court!?! You've lost your mind! Bake May 2013 #29
The Supreme Court? Really? I wouldn't want Holder on Night Court (nt) bigwillq May 2013 #52
it's all about guns/bullets. 24/7/365 and the honorable Holder should be on SCOTUS graham4anything May 2013 #3
Holder should've got the boot after he said "due process is not judicial process." NOVA_Dem May 2013 #10
I agree w/Mike that Holder's got to go (like yesterday) BUT.... PFunk May 2013 #11
Why should he quit? BEST AG ever. graham4anything May 2013 #13
You're just talking pure sh*t now. Bake May 2013 #30
Still waiting to hear what this black man has done wrong... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #35
Oh let's see ... failing to prosecute Wall St banksters Bake May 2013 #50
I'm sorry but what the wall street bankers did wasn't illegal, and that's the sad truth and the Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #53
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Bake May 2013 #54
Security Exchange Act doesn't apply because current laws that deregulated the industry weakened the Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #55
I think Rule 10(b)(5) would still apply. Bake May 2013 #56
It applies, but its enforcement doesn't have much bite. That could be due to loopholes that exist. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #60
harry reid is broken nt msongs May 2013 #17
Make Holder stay thru full term as a middle finger to the critics smorkingapple May 2013 #14
that's what politics is all about now. giving the middle finger to the oppostion.. frylock May 2013 #21
Really? Can you give me an instance where the president has flipped off the Repukes? Doctor_J May 2013 #24
They are out to undermmine the President any way they can. thecrow May 2013 #26
They are out to undermmine the President any way they can. thecrow May 2013 #26
Pap can kiss my ashy knee caps. Get rid of REPUBLICANS!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #32

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
1. 2 questions
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:20 PM
May 2013

Do you mean Michael Papantonio and why is it no surprise that he has a hard on for Holder? Just asking.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
5. Yeh that's who I mean and he does have it in for Holder
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:25 PM
May 2013

Every time he subs for Big Ed he's talking shit about Holder.As they say blame it on the black man even some liberals are just as bad as rethugs

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. fuck that shit..
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:26 PM
May 2013

so tired of seeing the race card drawn when legit criticism is leveled. it's all you fucking have. I wouldn't give two shits if holder were white, yellow, brown, or fucking green. he's a fucking disaster.

choie

(4,111 posts)
22. oh, so the only reason Papantonio is harshly critical of Holder
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:45 PM
May 2013

is because he's a black man? Give me a break - he should NEVER have been chosen for the head of DOJ to begin with - he has been a miserable failure. Period.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
33. You got it! Both the political left and political right do nothing but blame the BLACK people
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:03 AM
May 2013

in this administration. It's so transparent. Again, Pap can kiss my ashy knee caps!

Parable Arable

(126 posts)
2. Holder shares a lot of PBO's views.....
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

That being said, the president is a pragmatist.. If defending Holder becomes too daunting an endeavor, I'm guessing that Obama will allow him to take the fall.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
4. would you love that? I for one want Holder on the US Supreme Court where he belongs forever
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:24 PM
May 2013

the NRA hates him, I can understand why, because he hates death and the WMD the NRA sells.

Parable Arable

(126 posts)
6. I have a very large list of grievances with the job Holder has done.
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:28 PM
May 2013

If a better replacement to him exists... then I'm all for him leaving office...

If not, and if this scandal isn't as big as the media makes it out to be, then he should stay. Regardless of how I feel about the job he does, a resignation over anything but a minor scandal would give the GOP house more ammo to obstruct.

And the NRA hates everything. Nonviolence, education, civil discussion, moral relativity, the English language, and especially the people on this site >_>

Parable Arable

(126 posts)
9. Eh mainly it comes down to his polices on drugs and his approach to dealing with the banks..
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:35 PM
May 2013

I understand, jailing those responsible for the financial crisis is a really sticky endeavor. But to flat out claim that they are "too big" to jail was idiotic... It's basically an admission to the public that "the administration is powerless/unwilling to go after these people", which really casts it in a bad light....

And I can't say I agree with anybody 100% of the time, and part of me is thankful for that.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
51. Toss in a few bananas and there's a bunch of reasons to distrust Holder:
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

Holder legally represented Chiquita brands while he was part of the Clinton administration and helped them get off of these serious charges with just a fine:


~Snip~

Indeed, Holder himself, using his influence as former deputy attorney general under the Clinton Administration, helped to negotiate Chiquita's sweetheart deal with the Justice Department in the criminal case against Chiquita. Under this deal, no Chiquita official received any jail time. Indeed, the identity of the key officials involved in the assistance to the paramilitaries were kept under seal and confidential. In the end, Chiquita was fined a mere $25 million which it has been allowed to pay over a 5-year period. This is incredible given the havoc wreaked by Chiquita's aid to these Colombian death squads."

It seems Mr. Holder was representing a company that surreptitiously aided in the murder of union organizers in South America. His appointment should have sent a clear signal to U.S. labor unions. Instead it seems everyone was swept up in the "thrill of victory".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/lawyer-for-chiquita-in-co_b_141919.html

Full post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022768630


Please note ties of Chiquita to ex head of CIA Allen Dulles and close friends of another ex head of CIA, George Herbert Walker Bush . Chiquita has been a bad banana for over a century.

Here's the reputation of Chiquita according to Wikipedia:


The United Fruit Company was frequently accused of bribing government officials in exchange for preferential treatment, exploiting its workers, paying little by way of taxes to the governments of the countries in which it operated, and working ruthlessly to consolidate monopolies. Latin American journalists sometimes referred to the company as el pulpo ("the octopus&quot , and leftist parties in Central and South America encouraged the company's workers to strike. Criticism of the United Fruit Company became a staple of the discourse of the communist parties in several Latin American countries, where its activities were often interpreted as illustrating Vladimir Lenin's theory of capitalist imperialism. Major left-wing writers in Latin America, such as Carlos Luis Fallas of Costa Rica, Ramón Amaya Amador of Honduras, Miguel Ángel Asturias and Augusto Monterroso of Guatemala, Gabriel García Márquez of Colombia, and Pablo Neruda of Chile, denounced the company in their literature.

The business practices of United Fruit were also frequently criticized by journalists, politicians, and artists in the United States. Little Steven released a song called "Bitter Fruit" in 1987 in which lyrics referred to a hard life for a company "far away" and whose accompanying video, depicted orange groves worked by peasants overseen by wealthy managers. Although the lyrics and scenery are generic, United Fruit (or its successor Chiquita) was reputed to be the target.[5] In 1950, Gore Vidal published a novel "Dark Green, Bright Red", in which a thinly fictionalized version of United Fruit supports a military coup in a thinly fictionalized Guatemala....

~Snip~

Full post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company#Reputation


More on bananas:

The Chiquita Banana Story
Democracy Now Tuesday, July 7, 1998

Last week, in one of the largest and most unusual settlements by a news organization, The Cincinnati Enquirer published an apology across the top of its front page and said it had agreed to pay Chiquita Brands International Inc. more than $10 million to avoid being sued for a series of articles that exposed the fruit company’s criminal practices. [includes rush transcript]

~Snip~

While Chiquita hailed The Enquirer for acknowledging "that the conclusions in the article were untrue," Harry Whipple, the Enquirer’s publisher, has said he believed the voicemails, despite how they may have been obtained, were real. In an interview with the New York Times, he said "We are not aware of anything to suggest that this is an instance of a reporter fabricating something."

Nevertheless, the Enquirer has erased all the articles from its website; previously existing links on the internet to the stories now all lead to the Enquirer’s apology to Chiquita instead.

Chiquita, formerly known as the United Fruit Company, is the world s largest banana producer. Among the illegal Chiquita practices uncovered by the Enquirer s investigation:

Chiquita secretly controls dozens of supposedly independent banana companies. It also suppresses union activity on the farms it controls.

Despite its pact with environmental groups to abide by pesticide safety standards, Chiquita subsidiaries have used pesticides in Central America that are banned in the U.S., Canada, and the European Union. Chiquita also released harmful toxic chemicals into farms, killing at least one worker in Costa Rica according to a coroner’s report.

Chiquita’s fruit transport ships have been used to smuggle cocaine into Europe. More than a ton of cocaine was seized from 7 Chiquita ships in 1997. (The Enquirer story says the illegal shipment was traced to lax Colombian security rather than to Chiquita)

Chiquita executives bribed Colombian officials

Chiquita called in the Honduran military to evict residents of a farm village; the soldiers forced the farmers out at gunpoint, and the village was bulldozed.

An employee of a competitor filed a federal lawsuit charging that armed men hired by Chiquita tried to kidnap him in Honduras.

~Snip~

Full transcript of the interview that follows with Amy Goodman and Allistair Smith the director of Banana Link, a non-profit organization concerned with practices of large banana corporations:

http://www.democracynow.org/1998/7/7/the_chiquita_banana_story




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company#Banana_massacre
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. That is ridiculous
Tue May 14, 2013, 01:09 PM
May 2013

and I'm beginning to "smell" what so many here have accused you of. I don't agree with anyone, even my closest friends, 100% of the time.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
16. If only 80% is attained of the 100%, no one else will do better, hence the 80-20
Tue May 14, 2013, 01:15 PM
May 2013

anything but that and Bush wins.

It's like a great 0-0 pitching match between Gibson and Koufax-one sits back and watches it play out.

One doesn't call for one or the other to be burnt down and replaced.

Let them play it out.

and follow the serenity cannard. It is never wrong.

BTW, 80-20 or 100% is alot better than the inane 99/1 crap and putting down 100%

again, where is the complaints to those who thousands of times put the adminstration down.

We will never have a better President that the one that is the best since LBJ who was the best since Lincoln (or tied for the best with FDR).

100% can be rounded
you delete the best and worst, and then have the rest which equals 100 or as close as possible.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. I didn't think you could make
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:34 PM
May 2013

it worse and yet, you managed. You said you agreed 100% with him and that he was perfect. Are you going to stand by that?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
19. Actually, it is a billion times better, but some are fixated on a couple of wedge issues
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:10 PM
May 2013

Don't sweat the small stuff.

And don't worry about what the other side does.

Keep your head up high and let them play dirty.

As for these libertarians and $$$ulteriormotive$$$ players in the media/altmedia, this is a capitalistic society, they are allowed to make a living, but I don't have to buy the crap
they are selling.

Anyone else is free to like them on Facebook. I don't facebook at all.
(and Zuck has admitted to culling all those info and pictures in a perpetual state.)

I don't choose to follow the media or anyone but President Obama.

But then, I wanted Obama in 2004, 2008 and 2012

I don't care what all these alt-media, regular media say.
I will go with my heart. (there are actual people here that hate John Lennon. Can you imagine?)

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
31. Reading your stupid shit is the mental equivalent of running butt ass naked on a field of
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:52 PM
May 2013

razor wire while covered in habanero sauce.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
37. Writing incomprehensible word salads sprinkled with a couple
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:34 AM
May 2013

Of cliches is even easier. Admitting what your true purpose is here, not so much. At least more and more people are catching up with your bullshit.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
38. Anyone against Barack Obama is against me and the 95% of the democratic party
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:43 AM
May 2013

Nothing to waiver from that.

I am not here to promote Ralph Nader, Ron or Rand Racist Paul or anything against President Obama and his agenda that WE elected him to do.(Which is NOT what the extremists want, because he is NOT working for the 5% of the far left on the party and never was. He is working for America, of which 95% of the democratic party is in synch with.

I have been 100% constant on that.

Anyone against Barack Obama is against ME.
I have told you my agenda-Barack Obama's agenda forever & rid racism. What's yours?

the wedge issues the alt-media promotes are RON PAUL issues. Sorry, 95% of the party
doesn't care about those issues and is not in the top 100 of what the 95% want.

btw-Elizabeth Warren is 100% part of Team Obama. Why do people wish her to quit the senate when as they say no one is better in the Senate?

Oh yeah, btw, as you know, 95% of the democratic party wants guns eradicated from the streets. The NRA don't. But then the NRA is the 1% of the country.
Those supporting guns support the 1%.

But once again, keep ad homening me personally, because well, the truth hurts and there are those that would love to hide the truth (especially libertarians and 3rd party ites that have no place in a democratic board as well, they are not democratic party supporters

plenty of Ron Paul sites to go to

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
39. What the fuck does that garbled nonsense have to do with anything
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:03 AM
May 2013

written on this thread? I guess it's my fault for replying in the first place. Ron Paul can go fuck himself and your obsession with him and Ralph Nader is beyond creepy. Do you have pictures of them up in your wall that you yell to at night?

Since we're doing this. I wear a size 11 1/2 shoe. To calculate a structural slab deflection one can use L/360. Per Wee Herman once said "I know you are. But what am I?". I guess it doesn't matter to you that Peter Sellers got up from his wheelchair in Dr. Strangelove and said "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!!!". But like Chuck D said "Every Brother ain't a brother." But more importantly, we didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning. And that is truly why gun proliferation is bad. So tell me why do you support puppy mills and the clubbing of baby seals? So there, argue with that.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
40. wow, you and I agree on something-I too wear an 11 1/2 (triple E) Pro Ked or Converse sneaker
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:15 AM
May 2013

and I use Charmin w/ Aloe.

therefore, as I use a credit card/ e-z-pass, cell phone and admit to using Charmin, what more is there anyone wants to know, so I don't care who is listening

what I do care is that 3000 people died in MY NYC and two buildings I worked in every single day for a number of years in the late 70s/early80s were blown up by 19 people under orders from OBL.

as we are in a war, and as the war is ongoing
and as there was a clear and present danger that was prevented

would anyone have wanted another 3000 or more to die because they were not following up a lead?

The alt-media was quick to fall in love with the two boston mass murderer thrill seekers
and the law enforcement that BOSTON STRONGly loved and back was hated by the alt-media
after Boston.

the alt-media blamed law enforcement on Cleveland (didn't blame the one who did it, but blamed law enforcement

I will side with the President. and I side with Eric Holder, who never lied to me, and belongs on the US Supreme Court.

Peter Sellers was NOT the US President, and yes, I admit it, he got robbed at Oscar time when he didn't win as Chance in "Being there".

And anyone with their EYES WIDE CLOSED knows what the true agenda is of the Obama haters in the media. It is to elect Jeb Bush/Rand Paul 2016.

btw-should they arrest Ron Paul for littering the country with his racist signs that remain firmly attached to every lamppost in America?There are laws and they are suppose to be removed day after election. But of course, Ron Paul wants anarchy, chaos, and to burn America down.

Sorry, my agenda don't include handing him a match.

A family can be dysfunctional, almost all are.
But in public, a family sticks together.
President Obama is the head of our family.
Dissing him in public is dissing me.

I'll take No Thanks Alex for $2000.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
41. Holy shit! I find myself in a bind after reading that moronic claptrap you just wrote. I mean
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:24 AM
May 2013

is this some masterful performance art the likes of which this site has never witnessed? Or, do we need to alert mental health professionals to intervene? It's obvious the admins here don't care. So what to do?

PS: While you're at it. We're gonna need you to post your address, social security number and bank accounts.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
42. as I use e-z-pass, a cell phone, a supermarket discount card, and never use cash...
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:33 AM
May 2013

except for $2 a week having fun supporting the NJ educational system for Lotto,
and 100% of everything else is paid via CC#
think they already know that.

If one is hiding anything, one doesn't need to worry.

What I gotta laugh about is-
all those 100% against anyone culling info is-
they are all on facebook

and the 1%er Zucky has admitted to having in perpetuality, every single word ever posted and photo posted forever, and didn't he admit to letting anyone see it?
And doesn't he support rightwing issues?

Why do people go on facebook?Facebook is far more intrusive than the FBI ever was.

btw, why do those who rail against the President not remember that Bobby wiretapped Dr. King. Yet Bobby is beloved and they hate our current President and the next one???

Riddle me that.

and I do feel bad for the purists in a political argument. There had to at sometime have been a libertarian that didn't sign up for what Ron Paul's true agenda is.I feel bad for that person.
But this is an adult site, and well, eyes wide shut makes them not see what Ron Paul truly is.

Again, I am not here to provide the match to burn down what the revolution won in 2008.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
43. Why won't you post that information I requested? Are you some kind
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:45 AM
May 2013

of commie terrorist? I don't know shit about Facebook since I've never used it. I don't know what in the name of fuck Kennedy's dick move of wiretapping King has anything to do with anything posted here so far. If I can decipher your imbecilic nonsense. I gather you approve it. Then that just tells me that the character you play here is an even bigger fool than we'd all figured. As Ron Burgundy said "Hey come here everybody and see how good I look!!!"

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
44. Go back to the altmedia writer in the title this P. guy. He is against Eric Holder
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:52 AM
May 2013

why?
probably because Holder is black.
but using wiretap as excuse.
WGAS about that.
Washington himself did it, just not electronically back then.
(He cupped his ear with his hand and listened to two people whispering).

Will Ferrell should replace Alex Trebeck when Alex retires though.


BTW, Ron Paul is the satirist. Surely in 2013 one cannot have the 1950s views that Ron has.

BTW, I love LBJ, go figure some don't like him, though he was to the left of Bernie Sanders.

btw, serious question-would you follow an altmedia writer that worked for AIPAC and
Heck of a Job Michael Brown? Serious question.
(note-I don't care about the six degree stuff, and wild connections, but normally the alt-media fans do).

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
46. you didn't answer the last question, which was 100% NOT satire
Wed May 15, 2013, 09:11 AM
May 2013

here it is again

would you trust an alt-media writer who worked for aipac and was in a duo with Michael
Heck of a Job Brown from the Katrina days?

me, I don't care about the six degrees bullsheet

and me, I love ZBIG, one of the truly great minds of the 20th and 21st century.
Wish he was on Morning Joe everyday with his daughter

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. You agree with everything Obama and his administration has done
Tue May 14, 2013, 05:59 PM
May 2013

including leaving Don Siegelmann in jail, offering to cut SS benefits, having the DoJ try to overturn the legality of the morning after pill, and shut down medical marijuana dispensaries. So your opinion means nothing

Parable Arable

(126 posts)
57. Maybe a "list" of grievances is extreme, and he isn't the WORST AG ever but.....
Wed May 15, 2013, 02:04 PM
May 2013

I just don't get the sense that Holder can lead all that effectively or articulates himself well. Biden has been accused of making gaffes, but I've never once doubted his political savvy. An example of Holder's "bumblingness" was his "too big to jail" comment. Is it incorrect? Perhaps not. it really is difficult to persecute men in such high places. But I ask of our AG, couldn't you have just said something along the lines of "Punishing these banks is a very complex ordeal"? By claiming that the banks are "too big to jail", Holder frames the narrative as: "The DOJ is too weak or is unwilling to take any preventive measures to stop Wall St". By being so aggressive on marijuana use simultaneously, Holder also inadvertently gives the impression that the DOJ, and the administration as well, are more concerned with punishing substance users than those individuals on Wall ST who have harmed thousands. Now, you bring up a good point that it's on congress to pass anything or marijuana, but I just don't think Holder FRAMES a narrative all that well, if you catch my drift.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
59. I undertand what you're saying and don't disagree from a political standpoint, but from a LEGAL
Wed May 15, 2013, 03:28 PM
May 2013

standpoint, what is the problem? Congress has deregulated the banking industry so much so that certain practices that were once illegal or not anymore. So, again, I need to know what the specific laws that were broken? Holder can't prosecute anything unless laws were broken.

His job is to enforce the laws and no matter how stupid we think the marijuana possession laws are, they are FEDERAL laws. If we want change, we need a Congress brave enough to repeal these laws. We don't have that, and Holder's job is to enforce laws already on the books.

And quite frankly, as a woman of color, I think Holder is doing an outstanding job going after these voter suppression laws at the state level.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
61. OK...
Wed May 15, 2013, 03:45 PM
May 2013

With respect to the first article, I won't comment because it was a sloppily written and biased. Too slanted for me. I could post an article that is slanted in the other direction, but I won't because I'm more interested in learning about what happened. No speculation. The facts needs to come out first.

Regarding the second article, I haven't read enough on this particular case, so I'll have to do more work on that before commenting.

As for the third article, again, the job of the Attorney General is to enforce federal laws. We may not agree with those laws, but disagreement doesn't mean that the AG just ignores his/her job simply because we raise a stink. Again, we need a Congress that will repeal these ridiculous drug laws. If we can't get that, then we're stuck with them.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
29. Holder on the Supreme Court!?! You've lost your mind!
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:01 PM
May 2013

He's a pathetic AG. ZERO judicial experience and you want him on SCOTUS!

You've lost it.

Bake

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
3. it's all about guns/bullets. 24/7/365 and the honorable Holder should be on SCOTUS
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

the haters/extremists and their stupid, clear and present dangerous conspiracy theories have always hated him

and it's because Eric is black.

I do hope Hillary45 brings back Janet Reno, she was the best prior to Eric.

PFunk

(876 posts)
11. I agree w/Mike that Holder's got to go (like yesterday) BUT....
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:39 PM
May 2013

the way the senate (and house) is now it means that we may have NO AG for the rest of Obama's term if he does go. Said to see how broken this government is isn't it.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
30. You're just talking pure sh*t now.
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:03 PM
May 2013

Best ever, my ass. Among the WORST ever.

Are you just trying to start something? Nobody here thinks he's a great AG, much less best ever.

Bake

Bake

(21,977 posts)
50. Oh let's see ... failing to prosecute Wall St banksters
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:14 AM
May 2013

While prosecuting medical marijuana cases ... that's just for starters ...

Bake

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
53. I'm sorry but what the wall street bankers did wasn't illegal, and that's the sad truth and the
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:35 PM
May 2013

problem. DEREGULATION made it possible for bankers to cheat, for mortgage banks to lure unsuspecting consumers, to fleece the public. That's the problem. Eric Holder can't prosecute anything if, again, nothing illegal took place. Can you tell me what illegal acts were committed. And please be specific and forthright.

As for the medical marijuana cases, marijuana posession and usage is a federal crime. Until Congress passes a law legalizing it, the DOJ is doing its job.

What else you got?

Bake

(21,977 posts)
54. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:46 PM
May 2013

They could be prosecuted under any number of laws ... fraud, primarily. Give me a few minutes and I can get you the citations to USC.

Hell, they could be prosecuted under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934! Just for starters.

Bake

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
55. Security Exchange Act doesn't apply because current laws that deregulated the industry weakened the
Wed May 15, 2013, 01:00 PM
May 2013

enforcement of the SEA. I see what you're getting at, but quite frankly, we have Bush I and II and Bill Clinton to thank for deregulating this industry. And while I'm being honest, I'll include Obama in that to a lesser degree. He even brags about how much he has deregulated the industry. Give Holder something to prosecute and I'm there with you. But if there are no recent laws (enacted prior to 1994) that the bankers have broken, that would be a problem for Holder. As much as Pap goes on and on about Holder, he himself admits that deregulation has been the problem; his emotions get the better of him. He's angry and is not thinking. I listen to him when he comes on the Ed Schultz's talk radio show, and he is annoying. I want him to be reasonable and blame deregulation for the mess we're in, and understand that Holder's hands are tied. It's frustrating because the Wall Streeters have never paid for their sins, but again, there were no sins committed that were also illegal. That's been the problem that Eric Schneiderman (NY Attorney General) has also admitted to: the reason he couldn't reach a more robust mortgage settlement for the home buyers is because the industry had been so deregulated that he really didn't have legal justification for pursing criminal activity. People are upset about it, but again, deregulation is what's causing this mess. And the states' attorneys general, as well as, Holder have attempted to get the American people to understand this problem. It didn't exist when Obama came into office; it existed long before him. Deregulation of the banking industry has proceeded apace for well over a decade. Much of that blame lay at the feet of both Bushes and Bill Clinton, and to a lesser extent, Obama. And much of the action to undo deregulation MUST come from acts of Congress. A reinstatement of Glass-Steagall would be a start. Again, nothing to do with Obama and Holder. Congress needs to exercise some oversight, but that oversight function has been weakened since the mid-1990s. With deregulatory policies and little oversight, again, tell me what Holder has to prosecute? Be specific.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
56. I think Rule 10(b)(5) would still apply.
Wed May 15, 2013, 01:55 PM
May 2013

Use of any artifice or scheme to defraud. The banks are all publicly traded, hence, the coverup of info about the mortgage backed securities (worthless paper) defrauded investors in their stock.

That'd still work.

Bake

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
14. Make Holder stay thru full term as a middle finger to the critics
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:46 PM
May 2013

Much of this will blow over in time. Just need to ride it out for another month.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
21. that's what politics is all about now. giving the middle finger to the oppostion..
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

who cares about doing what's right? just do whatever as long as it pisses of the other side, amiright?

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
26. They are out to undermmine the President any way they can.
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:22 PM
May 2013

First they attacked the State Dept. and Hillary Clinton and now they are going after Eric Holder to knock down Justice. What next? Kerry?

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
26. They are out to undermmine the President any way they can.
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:22 PM
May 2013

First they attacked the State Dept. and Hillary Clinton and now they are going after Eric Holder to knock down Justice. What next? Kerry?

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