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Sat May 25, 2013, 07:44 PM

"Conservatism is modern history's greatest, most tragic, and most lethal failure."

God this guy just ethered conservatism. Much of this is spot on:


Umair Haque destroys the idea of conservatism


1. What's going wrong with the globe? The problem really isn't economics anymore; it's politics. We are stuck with a broken politics.

2. The problem facing us isn't economics per se, but politics. Solutions are obvious; but politicians deliberately ignore them.

3. Politicians ignore obvious economic solutions to crisis because our politics is broken. There is NO incentive for them to fix anything.

4. There is no incentive for politicians to fix anything because our political systems aren't just corrupt, but badly designed.

5. Take the example of the UK. It's been plunged into FIVE YEARS of real depression. Why? Mostly, because politicians...wanted it.

5. Take the example of America. It's got a "recovery" where 90% are poorer than in the "recession". Why? Because...politics.

6. Conservatism is modern history's greatest, most tragic, and most lethal failure. It is plunging the globe into a lost decade.

7. Conservatism is a failure because it has succeeded beyond it's wildest dreams. And the result is a society unfit for the future.

8. Conservatism has succeeded in preserving an unfair distribution of income, social stratification, inopportunity, and injustice.

9. Conservatism's great success is it's failure; it's goals are precisely what rob economies of dynamism, and leave them fragile.

10. Conservatism EXPLICITLY aims for rent-seeking, social fracture, systemic externalities, and elite capture.

11. Thus, modern conservatism is not a political philosophy fit for a humane future; nor is it one built for a prosperous future.

12. America is a mini case study in conservatism's failure. It is off the charts compared to other advanced economies rightward.

13. Modern conservatism is a kind of intellectual poison that corrodes modern economies by degrading politics, society, and culture.

14. There are many avenues to fight the lethal toxicity of conservatism. But societies have to choose them.

15. Societies that choose conservative politics in the middle of historic transformations will, by definition, not move forward.

16. Societies that choose conservative politics today are choosing a nostalgic utopia: the late 20 century, forever.

17. A conservatism incapable of grappling with the challenges of today, instead of holding fast to the past. is little more than a fantasy.

18. Liberals who do not recognize the failure of conservatism, and take a more aggressive stance in highlighting it, are conservatives.

19. The great failure of liberalism is also it's great success: it is responsible for a golden age of prosperity. And it must claim so.

20. At this point, the central tenets of modern conservatism require NO refutation. They are disproven by recent history.

21. Liberals who engage in "intellectual" debates with conservatives are neither. Because there is no intellect left in conservatism.

22. We may trace the rise and fall of nations over the next decade according to this logic: are they conservative? If so, they're toast.

23. (Neo)feudalism is essentially the event horizon of modern conservatism. Where it comes full circle, and regresses into lunacy.

24. Reality: there is no example of an advanced economy anywhere in the world following conservative policies and prospering.

25. There are no conservative and prosperous countries. Hence, to attempt conservative politics today is an exercise in magical thinking.

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Reply "Conservatism is modern history's greatest, most tragic, and most lethal failure." (Original post)
smorkingapple May 2013 OP
bahrbearian May 2013 #1
Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #2
Triana May 2013 #3
whistler162 May 2013 #4
freshwest May 2013 #5
donco May 2013 #6
Fuddnik May 2013 #7
zeemike May 2013 #8
Canuckistanian May 2013 #16
The Magistrate May 2013 #9
mountain grammy May 2013 #10
ruffburr May 2013 #11
go west young man May 2013 #12
Boomerproud May 2013 #13
DonCoquixote May 2013 #14
YeahSureRight May 2013 #15
bvar22 May 2013 #17
polynomial May 2013 #18
applegrove May 2013 #19

Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 08:25 PM

1. Bookmarked

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 08:34 PM

2. Conservatism should be wiped off the Earth

For the future of the human race it must be eradicated.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 08:39 PM

3. K & R & Bookmarked. n/t

 

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 08:47 PM

4. OH Boy another get the suckers drooling piece!

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 08:58 PM

5. Good one. Thanks.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 08:58 PM

6. This part begs

for an image of rush.

<21. Liberals who engage in "intellectual" debates with conservatives are neither. Because there is no intellect left in conservatism. >

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 09:32 PM

7. Kick and Rec!

Goddamn right!

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 09:48 PM

8. "(Neo)feudalism is essentially the event horizon of modern conservatism"

Yep.
It is the only way it can go from here.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #8)

Sun May 26, 2013, 12:42 PM

16. I caught that, too

I agree completely. We're 3/4 of the way to this point already.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 09:49 PM

9. An Excellent Piece, Sir

Thank you for sharing it.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 09:56 PM

10. Interesting, when you really think about each point, it's correct.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 10:01 PM

11. Hands Down-

The best Synopsis of our current socio /political situation To date

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 10:25 PM

12. On the money.

 

Conservatives are takers not givers and they have taken from all of us for too long. The fact they wrap themselves in religion makes it even more sinister.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 10:41 PM

13. Bravo! J'Accuse!

Is there any way to email this to my local "newspaper"? This leaves no room for debunking or debate.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sat May 25, 2013, 11:24 PM

14. k and r

may iIsee this thread on the greatest page.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 06:45 AM

15. Conservatism is a disease and needs to be eradicated by any means necessary

 

we have no other choice if we as a people want to move forward.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 04:52 PM

17. Gee. I dunno. Its been pretty successful for the 1%...

...who wish to recreate the Glided Age by getting Government off the backs of the Job Creators.
Deregulation and Concentration of Wealth is supported by the Economic Policies of BOTH dominant Parties in the USA.


Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/?mobile=nc

Wealth Inequality Drastically Rose In Early Years Of Recovery, As Only Richest Americans Saw Gains
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/wealth-inequality-grew-in-recovery_n_3138982.html

Stuff like that ^ doesn't happen by accident!
It takes work and planning.
The Employees of the 1% in Washington have perfected the dynamics for "Jobless Recoveries"!

If I were a member of the 1%,
I wouldn't call this a "Failure".
It has been a great success.

[font size=3]"Thank GAWD if Passed!"
If it hadn't, we would have had to pay OUR OWN Gambling Debts,
and WE don't do that.
THAT shit is for the Peasants.
Hahahahahahaha!
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You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their promises or excuses.
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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 08:07 PM

18. This guy just ethered conservatism

Those that follow today’s conservatism are not sick or diseased; they just pressed the wrong continuum petals that many might say are the Laplacian for life going the wrong way. As pitiful as we realize what today’s conservatism is, it is worth the effort to cast it into that ether, moreover flip it into that cosmic corral that will not return to human evolution.

For those red state political persons in the America with those in the European, Asia , especially Persia have figured they are found out; it is a combination of a centralized political, economic fractured system. The money profiteered, and the politics gerrymandered during this period is flagged in all our memory. It can be or will be a huge effort to resolve changing the mess, untangling the hidden political traps avoiding the monetary sink holes. It can be done.

The test of life or judgment is not after life but now during life.

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Response to smorkingapple (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 10:46 PM

19. This is so organic. This guy has the most amazing brain. He must have

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spent much time in nature as a kid cause his brain is made with fractal structure. Mirror neurons must have picked up the patterns of nature or something.

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