2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA vote for republicans is a vote to lose ones rights
A vote for republicans is a vote to lose women's rights
A vote for republicans is a vote to turn the US into a religious theocracy
A vote for republicans is a vote against workers rights
A vote for republicans is a vote not rebuild our infrastructure, raise the minimum wage, have safe food and a clean environment.
A vote for republican is a vote to privatize our public schools, police, firefighters and postal service.
We should spread this far and wide between now and November 2014 to our friends, relatives, social media just get the message out the republicans are not for the people and they will take more of our rights away if they take over all three branches.
Any women voting republican should have her head examined.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)You don't even have to mention abortion.
This is a war on the health of 51% of Americans.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)throat. Vote either major party and kiss your rights goodbye. Vote either major party and watch your environment devastated by eithers pet projects.
MH1
(17,600 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)Freddie
(9,259 posts)Didn't we learn from Ralph Nader? Guess not.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)corporate supreme court selected their president and Americans did nothing.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)both parties are responsible.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)Both parties are NOT responsible Mr. Troll, the Republican party is solely responsible, Mr. Troll.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)Yavin4
(35,437 posts)Then why even have DU?
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)my whole life even helped in campaigns and I call bullshit on blaming one party for all the problems. Ever wonder why nothing gets done. Blind allegiance and hypocrisy.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)become republican lite and follow along.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The President has always been a moderate.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)Were Reagan couldn't even get elected today and Nixon is considered the last real liberal president. Why do we continue to support Republican Lite. I am now debating who the greatest recent Republican president was, Clinton or Obama.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Nixion was just another corrupt, liar he's also a R hero. Yeah the countries 'owned' by right wing profiteers and they don't like worker class or lower class Americans. Except for their vote.
I don't agree with you at all that the recent R propaganda out there in media land has changed much of anything as far as the Presidents honesty and policies.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)Obama would nave been too far right to have run in 1980
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Reflecting later on his years in Honolulu, Obama wrote: "The opportunity that Hawaii offeredto experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respectbecame an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear."
Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College. In February 1981, he made his first public speech, calling for Occidental to divest from South Africa in response to its policy of apartheid.[28] In mid-1981, Obama traveled to Indonesia to visit his mother and half-sister Maya, and visited the families of college friends in Pakistan and India for three weeks.[28] Later in 1981, he transferred to Columbia College, Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialty in international relations[29] and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation,[30] then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[31][32]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
"majored in political science with a specialty in international relations" IMO the man was destined and in life training to be President one day.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)sorry you feel left behind.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)re-write it or ignore it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is a major difference in that respect.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)really wanted this issue resolved it would have been years ago.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Let's not forget that Libertarians are republicans & if you vote for one of them you can kiss all of our environmental protections good bye as well as anything else they can dismantle when is comes to discriminatory practices as well.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Link?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Rand Paul has been laying the groundwork for months. He has been running all over the country trying to garner support by laying down his bs "I care for the little people" from Cali to New York.
Last I checked nobody has thrown their hat in the ring. But his actions speak volumes, touring Iowa & New Hampshire come to mind.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)As soon as he changes it to (L), his career will nosedive.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)about the libertarians who run as republicans because they are even more dangerous due to their views on all laws that inhibit the growth of big business such as the EPA laws & the fact that he also believes business should not be regulated when it comes to wages & discriminatory practices.
He may not put an L behind his name but that doesn't change his beliefs.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Not Rand Paul, not Ron Paul, not any (R). The original OP said don't vote Republican for a variety of reasons. Your post said libertarians either. So if you were referring only to libertarian Republicans, your post said nothing. If OTOH you were trying to again insinuate that those of DUers who don't think everyone's phone should be monitored might vote (R), you've broken with reality.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)on the original posters statement & if you didn't like the point all you had to do was state so but there is an entire group of ppl who will try & sell the Libertarian meme as a better option than a true Republican for a varity of reasons to include civil liberties & especially after this NSA fiasco.
If you have a problem with me adding to the discussion simply because I elaborated on what other concerns are out there for these small factions within the GOP then I don't know what to tell you, other than stop responding to my posts.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)here at DU who are willing to vote for someone with an (L) after his/her name?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)This entire web site is restricted to people who vote (D). The efforts by the Fan Club to conflate those who don't think our phone calls are government property with Rand Paul voters is pathetic and useless. What's more, their unflagging defense of every rightward lurch by the president is driving people away from the polls and away from the party.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The big Rs will use & dump him just like they and the son dumped daddy paul.
'R vote collector', waste of Americas time placeholder in politics..just like his daddy.
Freddie
(9,259 posts)And staying home or voting 3rd party is the same as voting Republican.
riqster
(13,986 posts)"And staying home or voting 3rd party is the same as voting Republican."
Well said!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)A vote for republicans is a vote not rebuild our infrastructure, raise the minimum wage, have safe food and a clean environment.
A vote for republican is a vote to privatize our public schools, police, firefighters and postal service.
These three are now bipartisan initiatives (TPP, KeystoneXL, Monsanto exemption, Arne Duncan), along with "saving" Social Security and Medicare, extending wars, proffering most of the tax cuts to billionaires. Used to be our party had a long list of stark differences with the Repukes. Now we're basically down to abortion rights and gay marriage. Good luck rallying the masses with that "centrist" platform.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)country club and take their orders from the same international corporate power-elite difference is one uses sweet talk and lubricant the other doesn't.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)walking shoes like he said he would and joined the union marchers in Wisconsin. Damn talk is cheap.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Campaign Obama would have been a historic president. Unfortunately he left the scene the day after he became president-elect Obama.
Organized Labor is still one of our blocs, for reasons I can't quite fathom. As long as Repukes want to regulate uteri, disenfranchise people of color, and imprison gays, we'll probably have enough groups to not go extinct. IMO we are wasting an opportunity to run the GOP off the Earth
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)and run off the earth.
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Ratty
(2,100 posts)You think the Libertarian Party is what's needed to restore our rights? Just curious.
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Freddie
(9,259 posts)That respects my right over my own body, thank you very much.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Ummm, no, Dems believe in civil liberties and most are against NSA. Not to vote and allowing like 2010 crazies to take the house is a vote for GOPers.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)the great green buck.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(and not trying to hi-jack the thread, but) every person that sits at home or votes 3rd party in the 2014 General election is a vote (or non-vote) for losing one's rights.
That is the danger (and I believe design) of this NSA/Snowden thing ... it's dividing and disheartening Democrats and those that would vote Democrat; but energizing those supporting the modern gop because it gives them something erlse to think about than their sorry candidates and platform.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)thats the plan.
Freddie
(9,259 posts)100% correct
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)spying on Americans and giving up my 4th Amendment rights so I voted Democtatic and guess what?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Now ... do you think this situation will get better or worst with a republican House and Senate? Do you think any of the things that President Obama accomplished would have occurred with a republican Senate? Do you think your life (and the lives of the people you care about will be better or worse with republicans in control?
Think, people. I can't believe liberals are so easily gamed.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)communist socialist etc. The political middle has moved so far right because of your type of thinking that Reagan would have to run on the Green Party ticket. You do know that Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency and signed laws including the Clean Air Act and the Marine Mammal Protection Act? I think if you polled Americans on all the progressive issues they would be highly in favor, yet our Democratic Party continues to push us right ignoring the fight because they believe they need the apparatus of the 1% to get elected and the people do not have their backs so they sell out. We have one party today the Republicrates and it is corporate neo-con, neo-liberal, extreme court owned.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)to tell the difference between the truth and a lie has been murdered by blind allegence and his inebriated accomplice hypocrisy.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)to reproductive rights to minimum wage. Yet our DC so-called Dems will not embrace these issues. They are completely beholden to the same corporations that the (R)'s are.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)couldn't leave the money left on the table for insurance and pharma by Obama-care.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)your "democratic friends" were telling you that in the 1960's ... maybe your "communist socialist" friends, but not your Democratic friends.
Yes, I know Nixon created the EPA and signed environmental laws ... I also know that Lincoln freed the slaves, Reagan was a Union Boss and GWB supported comprehensive immigration reform that started with amnesty and had a clear (relatively quick) path to citizenship. {Note to 1950 ... that tactic is kind of an identity/agenda tell ... I've seen/heard it a lot. }
I, also, know that the majority of americans poll favorably on progressive solutions; yet "progressives", for all their issue support, rarely survive primaries (in most parts of the country) ... when they run at all! {I know ... I know ... the Democratic Power Establishment (of the 1%) won't let progressives run! }
But thanks for the lecture ... Now if you'd be so kind as to answer my questions ... do you think this situation will get better or worst with a republican House and Senate? Do you think any of the things that President Obama accomplished would have occurred with a republican Senate? Do you think your life (and the lives of the people you care about will be better or worse with republicans in control?
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)just as it has since the mid 70s. Unless the people get in the street and force change if that happens both parties will throw bones to the people given to them by their 1% power-elite. For me the difference between the parties amounts to one using sweet talk delayed (chained) timing and lubricant and the other just straight in your face.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the glorious REVOLUTION!
What's stopping you?
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)blind allegiance and talking points.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)nineteen50
(1,187 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We need to support progressive Democrats. THere are lots of DINO's.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)but many of the DINOs are in RED states.
I personally think that the Democratic party will help to protect the civil liberties than band them tho.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the presence of progressive Democrats, like it or not ... a vote for DINOs still puts us ahead of the alternative, since voting history demonstrates that DINOs still vote with the Democratic Caucus 70+% of the time. And, 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)GoLeft2004
(41 posts)Can you say something about gun and can I copy for FB?
MH1
(17,600 posts)GoLeft2004
(41 posts)I'm asking the OP to say GOP against gun's law is killing our children (my English sucks) and then copy to my Face book.
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)The Treyvon Martin/ Zimmerman incident will be an everyday occurence In America
Where Zimmerman gets off.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Response to kimbutgar (Original post)
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sadbear
(4,340 posts)That's the reality republicans know all too well when teabaggers have supported their own brand of crazy authoritarian over the republicans'.
polichick
(37,152 posts)They've been so manipulated by propaganda TV and radio - and don't do their own homework.
The 1% and right wing extremists just sit back and laugh at all the fools they're able to control.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They believe their husbands are going to stick to their roles and that'll make their lives OK, I guess.