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Tue Oct 1, 2013, 10:52 AM

WTF? Nine Democrats who voted for the shutdown?

These guys should be called out by our President...

And here are the nine Democrats who supported it:

Reps. Mike McIntyre (N.C.), Dan Maffei (N.Y.), Sean Maloney (N.Y.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Steven Horsford (Nev.), Ron Barber (Ariz.), John Barrow (Ga.), Raul Ruiz (Calif.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.).

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Reply WTF? Nine Democrats who voted for the shutdown? (Original post)
busterbrown Oct 2013 OP
Scuba Oct 2013 #1
vi5 Oct 2013 #2
dorkzilla Oct 2013 #6
antiquie Oct 2013 #3
busterbrown Oct 2013 #4
Heather MC Oct 2013 #5
Blue Meany Oct 2013 #7
zazen Oct 2013 #8
hedgehog Oct 2013 #9
Cooley Hurd Oct 2013 #10
ancianita Oct 2013 #11
pnwmom Oct 2013 #13
ancianita Oct 2013 #14
pnwmom Oct 2013 #15
ancianita Oct 2013 #19
pnwmom Oct 2013 #20
ancianita Oct 2013 #21
pnwmom Oct 2013 #22
pnwmom Oct 2013 #12
DEMTough Oct 2013 #16
busterbrown Oct 2013 #17
DEMTough Oct 2013 #23
Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #18

Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 10:54 AM

1. Some "Democrats". Sheeese.

 









Thanks to DUer RC for this graphic.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 10:58 AM

2. 2 from NY and 1 from California?

 

Anyone know if they are just in super conservative districts or something? The others stink as well but at least politically and geographically, without knowing those districts either at least there's a chance that they make some degree of sense at least politically.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:07 AM

6. I'm confused--Sean Maloney's website says he voted against it...

I'm not sure what's up here...I'm going to call his office and get an answer. If I get the "wrong" answer, I'm driving up to Cold Spring to give him a big piece of my mind.

http://seanmaloney.house.gov/

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 10:59 AM

3. I don't get the Raul Ruiz vote.

 

He votes against repeal of the ACA.
He beat Mary Bono for his seat.

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Response to antiquie (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:02 AM

4. And I think the Gay Community had a big helping hand in his victory.

They should be beating on his door as should all the dems. in that district.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:03 AM

5. I think this Vote was for the Conference thingy

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:12 AM

7. One of the congressional journalist on Cspan said the Dem were holding them in "reserve"

 

to see if their were enough Republicans to pass it. Then they would have switched votes. Perhaps the idea was to give moderate Republcans they idea that they could vote for it without tipping the balance and then switch at the last minute to make it pass.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:13 AM

8. I know it sucks, but they need to keep their districts to get a majority back

Where each person draws a line--I don't know.

But on a vote where they know the Republicans are going to win anyway, they can throw their vote "away" and satisfy the centrists in their crazily redrawn (illegal under any normal law) districts, and thereby hope a little longer they can hold onto it. I don't know that this is always the best strategy, but some do have a larger good in mind. In NC we're holding on for dear life.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:16 AM

9. Dan Maffei is in a swing district that includes a lot of Tea Party voters -

plus a major manufacturer of medical equipment. He campaigned against the tax on medical equipment, but posted on his site his opposition to the shut-down.



My guess is that he was given permission to vote this way by Pelosi in return for his votes on other issues.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 12:33 PM

10. Welch Allyn is a scummy biz...

 

They only use temps for entry level positions and Bill Allyn is a big Repug donor. He should NOT be defending them since they didn't vote for him anyway.

Not to mention, their products suck ass...

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:13 PM

11. Great. Add them to the hit list. Tired of this shit.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:06 PM

13. The party whip will often release legislators in vulnerable districts

to vote against the party if the vote won't change the actual outcome.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:51 PM

14. Ah. Thanks for the info. I hate to see them pander to ignorance rather than 'work' to convince

constituents.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 04:10 PM

15. It's pragmatic politics. Better to have a Democrat with an imperfect vote record

in a conservative district than to have a Rethug.

The idea that politicians can work to convince their constituents is awfully optimistic . . . .

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:22 PM

19. Really? I just thought it should be part of the job in informing a more national, less local vision.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:46 PM

20. The biggest part of the job is to get elected

which is difficult when you're completely out of synch with your district.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:18 PM

21. I say keep flip the 'out of sync' script, communicate the momentum going toward

Democratic thinking. Get the voters 'in synch' with a vision instead of pure self-interest. It's on-the-ground teaching of informing, civics, governance and engagement toward the greatest good for the greatest number that's at the heart of the job, not the marketization of politics, which is only the biggest part of the job because politicians sold out to such cash-driven values.. Then getting elected won't be such a dodgy process.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:27 AM

22. Even Dennis Kucinich, despite his high profile and his legion of supporters,

couldn't make it when his district got gerrymandered into a conservative one.

It's not a realistic idea to think that progressive can educate a conservative district into electing him or her.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:05 PM

12. What do you mean "voted for the shutdown"?

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Response to DEMTough (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 06:18 PM

17. That area is changing quickly though.

The Gay Community out there will become stronger and stronger as the old time right wing conservatives continue to die out.. I am not gay but have loads of friends who are..many of which have already moved..

So then soon it will be time to boot Dr.Ruiz.. Correct?

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:47 AM

23. It Is, Not Just With The Gay Community, But Also The Hispanic Community.

He ran on Bono Mack's neglect of the Hispanic Community over in Riverside, and even with their support and the coattails of a Presidential election that was quite favorable to Democrats, he barely won. In fact, I believe that his election was one of the last few called last year.

Is he worth giving the boot to? I don't think so, he's got incumbency on his side this time, though, so he's got to work it to his favor to get through '14. And if we don't work to make '14 a Democratic year, he will lose, with someone far, far worse. He's the first Democrat to represent his area since 1970.

It's hard to find Democratic congresspeople in CA south of L.A. though I'll admit, we all deserve better than those we have.

A possible coalition of the gay and Hispanic communities can create a good environment for a progressive candidate in the area, or a shift in Ruiz's policies. He is in a unique position.

He's pretty young, so he can grow with his district. He gives me inspiration, being a young politician, and me being a college student with aspirations of my own.

P.S. I also admit that I misread that article that I posted. Was in a rush today. My mistake. In clarification, I do disagree with Ruiz's and the others votes.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:12 PM

18. Deers in headlights

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