Anyone notice that the DU Obama doubters are out today..

[busterbrown]

Out of nowhere comes a Thread stating that Obama and his Corporate allies are ready to spring the out the “Grand Bargain” as the compromise to the current fucked up situation which will end up gutting S.S. and Medicare..

What the hell? That means Obama is nothing but a a complete fraud..Really?

[The Magistrate]

1. Better Safe Than Sorry, Sir

It is not an unreasonable fear, to suppose that some 'grand bargain' on long-hinted lines may be trotted out, after a decent interval, once both a continuing resolution and the debt ceiling increase have been passed, with such passage being contingent on the understanding the 'bargain' soon will be forthcoming.

The more noise made against such a thing now the better the chance it will not come to pass. It certainly should not be done.

[djean111]

2. Yes, a wait and see attitude is pretty much worthless.

And Obama does love that grand bargain thing.

[Jakes Progress]

10. You know what logic and principle will get you.

You will be labeled a hater.

You are entirely correct - obviously you remember recent history - that such a "grand" idea could be being considered given what came from other impasses like this one. You are also correct to be vigilant and make you voice heard beforehand. Too many prefer to think they are helping if they stand around and wait for the horses to bolt before they close the barn door.

[agent46]

3. Yep

I'm watching the slide into fascism and the death of Democracy with open eyes.

These nonprocedural outrages are the new normal and Obama will fast track the TPP which is not merely just another "trade agreement."

[orpupilofnature57]

26. +1000 !!!!

Unfortunately I think this shutdown is a diversion from the TPP, which will do more to harm Democracy than anything in decades, or say when Ray-Gun Broke American Unions .

[Sunlei]

4. you got to work 7 days a week for kochs when there's a country to ruin & a president to hate

[Jamaal510]

5. Those type of threads are pretty much dumb

because not only do they divert from what is actually going on in government in real life, but like one poster said--they offer ZERO evidence whatsoever that entitlements will be cut. For Chrissakes, Obama has had well over FOUR YEARS and Republicans in Congress willing to help him if he really wanted to wipe out entitlements! WTF is taking him so long?
People really have to use their heads. All this seems to be is more hyperbolic fear-mongering against a President who has seen rising poll numbers this past week, as more Americans are falling in love with Affordable Health Care. We've seen this movie before about how he was supposedly going to start another war in Syria, but guess what--it didn't happen!

[Warpy]

6. The weekend always brings them out

along with the obvious trolls the MIRT team swats within 5 minutes.

Friday night, Saturday and sometimes Sunday morning are peak times, meaning they're likely in school.

[leveymg]

7. I no longer have any doubt about Obama

Don't fool yourself: Obama got exactly what he wanted in Syria - Syria is now in ruins and neutralized as any sort of military threat to Israel, and the Saudis are happy because the Sunnis now control most of the country.

As for here, well, the federal government just got shrunk in a bathtub without anyone in the Democratic ledger having to go on record to vote directly for it, and the military is exempted from having its trousers taken in. Jitters about the Debt Ceiling aside, Wall Street is exultant about the Sequester and partial shutdown. The NASDAQ was up 7 or 8 percent in September, and the Dow has risen nearly 15% since the Sequester started.

The GOP got exactly what they wanted, and if his past statements are any indication, Obama IS willing to give them more than half of the cuts to Social Security they want.

Pentagon: Most Furloughed Civilians Ordered Back
Source: AP

The Pentagon is ordering most of its approximately 400,000 furloughed civilian employees back to work.

The decision by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is based on a Pentagon legal interpretation of a law called the Pay Our Military Act.

That measure was passed by Congress and signed by President Barack Obama shortly before the partial government shutdown began Tuesday.

The Pentagon did not immediately say on Saturday exactly how many workers will return to work. The Defense Department said "most" were being brought back.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/pentagon-furloughed-civilians-ordered-back-20482298

[awoke_in_2003]

21. Syria surprised the hell out of me...

can't say it 100% whether it was Obama's plan or the public uproar that stopped it (I lean toward a mix of the two), but it doesn't hurt to make ourselves heard.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. I've noticed more than one thread like this one, castigating others for standing up for

people by speaking out against the vicious chained CPI and other attacks by millionaires upon the very least among us. Such a 'Grand Bargain' has often been suggested by Obama, so it is not rocket science to know that he might offer that yet again. It would be easy as breathing for Obama to take that crap off our table once and for all. He has not done so.

[busterbrown]

11. When your fighting for the Country’s welfare sometimes you have to play the part of----

a sheep in a wolf”s skin..Few seem to mention around here that our POTUs has been up against the MIC and right wing corporations since 2008.. He is playing them beautifully. The fact that he has not taken it off the table is all part
of the “rat trap”.

[seabeckind]

13. While we're doing animal analogies...

how about Judas goat?

Added on edit: Maybe they're not the ones being played.

[busterbrown]

15. Sure you are in the right place?

Bullshit! Be sure and check in when this thing is over..

[seabeckind]

18. Wait!

I thought the Obamabots had their own party on this forum. You guys havegot to start to realize that there are a lot of Democrats (big D) who were Democrats long before Obama wandered into the room.

I've been a Democrat (big D) since JFK.

And I have cowtowed to no man.

As far as I'm concerned Obama's done some good things.He's also fucked up some.

My country right or wrong. When it's right, keep it right. When it's wrong, make it right.

Y'all have a good day, now...the ignore button works jest fine if you don't want to see criticisms.

[busterbrown]

19. Go right ahead, and that tag to Obama’s name is obnoxious and non- effective

It states Obama right or wrong.. and thats Bullshit.
I’ve been pissed at him plenty of times and so far I’ve been wrong.

You seem to forget about what he’s dealing with. Lets Start with the MIC which is bitch of a thing to work around..

[seabeckind]

23. Oh my, I'm sorry...

I'm afraid we've gotten started on the wrong foot.

My little quote had nothing to do with you. It was a description of my philosophy, not yours. It has to be taken in its entirety, not just one piece...

My country right or wrong. When it's right, keep it right. When it's wrong, make it right.

It is my absolute obligation to insist that we maintain a course of democratic (small d) principles. It is my obligation to fight for those principles. Long ago I took an oath to uphold the constitution. I have never believed that oath had an expiration date stamped on it.

I haven't forgotten what's at stake and I know exactly what he's dealing with. He is a very smart man.

So are we. Maybe he ought to start paying attention to us.

So far everytime I've been pissed at him I haven't been wrong. That doesn't mean I don't support him and want him to fail. It just means I have to speak a little louder cause he hasn't been hearing me.

BTW, I've found that the media and the WH staff pay attention to these forums...this one particularly.

[busterbrown]

25. Thanks... I know we agree on 99% of whats going on..

And I hate playing softball with these guys. I want to play smack ball against them all the time..

[awoke_in_2003]

22. name calling doesn't get one anywhere. nt

[seabeckind]

24. You mean like ODS? n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

29. I didn't see where the person you called an Obamabot...

said you were ODS.

[seabeckind]

31. I didn't see where I said he did. :) n/t

[Ikonoklast]

28. "Obamabots", check.

Just another "Good Democrat" that uses derogatory terminology.


Does that work for you IRL?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

36. Rec

[IrishAyes]

9. That's what they want people to think.

Some jerks just can't tolerate a good man's success. Ow, it burns!

[Jakes Progress]

12. And some

jerks don't have a clue about what is happening as the government shrinks just like the republicans want. Before this current mess, Democrats had already agreed to stick to paul ryan sized budgets. Then the republicans wanted even more. That's what happens when you give in to bullies.

But blissful ignorance is another way to go, if you like.

[busterbrown]

16. Am I misreading...but are we the ones who hopeful ignoramuses ?

[Jakes Progress]

43. What the....?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. With their bullshit anti-Obama, ODS threads? Yeah, I noticed.

[bigwillq]

17. He's not?

[busterbrown]

20. I agree!!!

Wow!!

[tavernier]

27. No kidding...

They are running through the streets in their pajamas pounding on doors.
(I normally only do that when I discover I'm out of wine)

[seabeckind]

32. The most difficult transition

in my move from WA to IN is getting used to not being able to buy liquor on Sunday.

Invariably ....

well, that and being gerrymandered.

Oh well, back to declaring as a Republican so I can vote against the idiot tp person in the primary. Course they're all idiot tp people in this district. Even the democrat.

Susan Brooks? Lord.

[Cha]

40. LOL!

[Faryn Balyncd]

30. President Obama MEANT IT when he said "Your job is to hold my feet to the fire." He NEEDS us to do

our job.

His job is NOT made easier by complacent, non-assertive "supporters" urging Americans to have faith, but by supporters who care enough about the values we share with the President to RAISE HELL in support of those values.

"Your job is to hold my feet to the fire. . . So, you need to be out there everyday raising these issues, telling us when we’re doing the right or wrong thing. . . My role is to be President of the United States. . . "



http://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/12/01/a-foot-in-two-worlds/

How could our President have been any more emphatic?

To work for the values we share with our President (including creating enough public demand that no "grand bargain" harming essential programs be made) is not to doubt our President. And to work for these shared values does NOT mean that our excellent President is a "fraud".

To assertively demand that no deal be made with Republicans that compromises essential programs STRENGTHENS THE PRESIDENTS HAND in those negotiations with Republicans. (This is especially important in an age where corporate media routine mainstreams Fox News memes. Without an assertive and demanding Democratic base, the terms of public discourse will continue to be pulled further and further to the right.)

That's the reason he told us to DO OUR JOB.

[busterbrown]

34. God.. You guys don’t listen.. Only hear what you want to hear..

Its about this crappy Ad....It sucks big time. Its fighting the wrong way. Its fucking obnoxious..The kid is too small to be obnoxious.. He’s a baby. It doesn’t fucking work..

All of sudden you guys are calling us appeasers, non supportive, complacent etc. Fuck that.. I want these guys asses as much as you. Its about being smart. Not being stupid!!

The Ad sucks..

[Faryn Balyncd]

35. What ad?

[busterbrown]

38. This one!!

[Faryn Balyncd]

39. What is the connection?

[Jakes Progress]

44. I think he's playing on too many threads and mixing them up.

Trials of a hit and run poster.

[Cha]

41. Yes, he did. And, I would add that should be done with

respect that he's earned.

Thanks Faryn

[madrchsod]

33. don`t feed the trolls

[ellie]

37. Fuck them.

I love Obama. I think he is handling this very well. There is no indication that there will be a Grand Bargain. Let's not worry about it until it happens, shall we?

[seabeckind]

42. Exactly correct

there will not be a grand bargain.

There'll be little chips.

Like Reid offering to extend the sequester funding levels in the budget. It wasn't mentioned until they needed a talking point against the accusation that the dems don't compromise.

Or the bill to unfurlough the DoD civilians and coincidentally CONTRACTORS that was passed and signed before the shutdown started. Anybody notice that the promise that there would be no piecemealing was already broken before it was made...oh, and the traffic controllers, etc.

Even tho the story of the frog in the boiling water is false...it still works.

Yep, no grand bargain.

How's them new funding streams workin out for us? How about the TPP?