The Ad scheduled to run on tomorrow’s NFL game just might be a bad idea...

[busterbrown]

I love hard smack downs of right wingers..

But I think we should stick to the facts and by all means illustrate them in a creative manner..

But Listening to this kid cry for 15 seconds was annoying..and kind of makes one think that it could have come out of the office of Reince Priebus attacking a democrat..

Its scheduled to air on tomorrow’s NFL Games.

[Scootaloo]

1. Not everything is worthy of debate

Some things are only worth mockery and scorn.

Think of why scientists don't debate creationists. it's not because they don't have the facts, it's not becuase they're afraid, it's because creationism simply isn't worth the dignification of taking it to an intellectual discussion.

So too here.

[busterbrown]

3. No..I dislike intellectual as well..

John Stewart does it the best..And thats not intellectual discussion..Facts are there but it’s shit kicking..
And they can do it just as well without the profanity..

[Isoldeblue]

6. Wow! +1 n/t

[busterbrown]

13. Comparing Scientific fact and those who favor Creationism is a bad analogy to whats going on here.

This all about reality on both ends..

[Scootaloo]

14. I'm just going to lift from EarlG real fast...

No. Reality only exists on one end. Treating the delusions of the other side was equal to reality just empowers it and causes more harm

[busterbrown]

15. Didn’t make myself clear..

The reality on their side is that they are sick, hateful, racist people who will do anything to prevent the success of our
POTUS. The reality I am talking about is the reality that this is the situation we face now and the fact that this is not an effective way to deal with this issue.

[Scootaloo]

16. Ah, then...

Problem is, our nation's culture labors under this strange psychosis where pointing out that someone is a racist, self-centered, destructive asshole... makes them the victim, you the bad guy, and the people they abuse disappear from the discussion altogether.

[busterbrown]

17. We’re talking about an ad!!!

A strategy... Not the lunacy of the teabagger Repubs..
This is about the smart way to accomplish what you desire.. This Ad is not.

[rock]

27. I'm going to vote for Scootaloo

I seem to agree with his posts here.

[DonViejo]

2. There's a lengthy discussion on this topic occurring...

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023784558

[busterbrown]

7. Thanks...Checking it out..So far...I see few agreeing with me..

Thats o.k... but from on an effectiveness scale... I’m concerned..SoI’ll leave it up.

[DonViejo]

9. I'm torn...

on one level I believe it is incredibly awesome and about damned time we fought back like this...on the other hand, I kind of agree with every one that has voiced concern.

[busterbrown]

10. I’m telling you I think its bad from an effectiveness standpoint.

So bad that I think even if it wasn’t run,, Repukes could use it against us..pointing out how we have sunk to a new level.... Of course this is the only freaking game they know..but I still think its a bad idea..

[arcane1]

4. I admit I'm not too crazy about it, BUT...

if someone wants to air an ad like this, they should at least use actual clips of him crying. There are certainly enough of them

[Chan790]

5. Yes, I hate it. As a communcations professional I really hate it.

I fully expect it to backfire to such an extent that Democrats are going to lose this showdown over it. I really want them to kill this ad...this is what happens when amateurs try to produce concept ads in-house on the cheap.

They clearly didn't focus group it. It's awful. Counterproductive.

(Next time, guys. Call me. I'll work cheap and fast and you'll get an ad that doesn't immediately infuriate people against you for showing it.)

[mcar]

20. I'm a communications professional too

30 years of PR experience. I love the ad. It's simple, brutal, effective, funny as hell and true.

It's being shown during football. That's not the time for policy discussion. The Democrats are playing hardball. The Rs will harrumph but only because they didn't come up with something better. It's a great ad.

[busterbrown]

8. Absolutely...Worked for High End Retailers for years in Advertising.

This Ad will have the middle questioning our political mindset.. I thought we were suppose to be the Adults in the room.. Obama’s has projected that image since he has been POTUS and it has worked.

We are suppose to be clever not stone throwers... Its what separates us from them..

This Ad sucks..

[summerschild]

11. I agree. This will do more damage than good.

It isn't funny. The baby is small - too little to be a "spoiled brat". Although the crying is nerve wracking, he evokes sympathy - not ill will.

This is a loser.

[busterbrown]

12. Why can not these “experts figure this out”?

This is bad!!!

[Rene]

18. we have the high ground now......why sink to this low?

VERY bad idea....they should cancel this ad.

[busterbrown]

19. Anyone have a number we might not know about?

Some here are such wonderful writers. I wonder if someone could come up with some sot of letter that many of us
here at DU could sign.. This is a well respected Site and could carry some influence..

[AtomicKitten]

21. maybe the ad is for us

We who are damn sick & tired of the teabagger horseshit and want to rub it in their stupid faces.

I've seen ads from the GOP and an ad by No Labels - an unholy alliance of Republicans and disaffected right-leaning Clintonites.

I think Democrats will survive being the authors of one snotty ad.

[busterbrown]

23. How about the authors of one horrible ad..

An Ad which does not accomplish one thing except making those who wrote it look like amateurs..

[efhmc]

22. I absolutely HATE this commercial

I just wanted to go cuddle and comfort that baby. VERY bad psychology!

[Dr Claw]

24. I'm with busterbrown...

I actually live in that district (have since 2011) and agree... this is a very gerrymandered district. Somehow they separated places like Solon from the rest of Cuyahoga County so it can be with places like Mentor in Lake County. And from what I know, I've never seen/heard much from Dave Joyce. If he's a Tea Partier I'd love to get him TFO. Otherwise, this is a district where I've never seen Democrats even try. I think Steve LaTourette (retired) might have been the rep from this area; I don't think he would have voted with the Tea Party on this one.

To take this one, they need to launch an all out assault and remind everyone the damage done. This also looks like the same ad they used to go at Boehner (where it would be more effective. Especially if they transitioned from the baby into Boehner actually crying).

[tavernier]

25. I just watched it again ...

Based on the fact that going into it that's what most people are thinking anyway, I believe it will be fine.

[BeyondGeography]

26. Agree...we're winning handily without it

not least because there are major democratic principles involved. The ad is too simplistic; it not only adds nothing to the debate, it detracts from the seriousness of the situation and the legitimacy of the Democratic position. The average football fan wants to believe both sides are assholes. The ad gives them the excuse to do just that.

[doc03]

28. I think a much better ad would be the piece Rachel Maddow did a few days

ago just playing Republicans one after the other saying "Shut the government down." Hell those clowns have
been publicly saying that for years now. The low information voters need to be reminded of that, so they know who is to blame.