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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 08:02 AM Oct 2013

The Republican Idea of Compromise

So now it is looking like the best case scenario end game to stave off the two headed Republican sponsored monster of government shutdown and defaulting on our fiscal obligations is for Republicans to stand down on their threats for six weeks to allow for "negotiations" with the President to hammer out some reasonable "compromises", while the Republican gun at our collective heads is temporarily holstered. If that is where all this is taking us it shows just how far Republican extortion tactics have already succeeded in bending our nation's future toward an extreme right wing vision of America. Negotiations without hostages being held or a ransom demanded might sound reasonable on the surface, but not if the agenda for such negotiations starts and ends with a list of right wing talking points. And that in a nut shell is the Republican position, and that is fast becoming what conventional wisdom calls “a compromise.”

The pundits say to get us out of the crisis Tea Party Republicans have gotten us into Republicans will need a face saving bone thrown to them first. The promise of serious negotiations with the President AFTER a short term clean continuing resolution and a short term clean lifting of the debt ceiling is agreed to is being called that bone. Instead of negotiating with the President on their list of issues while holding the economy hostage, maybe Republicans will free it temporarily as a prelude to serious talks.

What is wrong with this picture? Hardly anyone in the media or the Democratic Party has called out the Republicans on the premise underlying this pending “compromise”. It is assumed that if only the Republicans will first put down the gun then they can expect to get rewarded with something, the proverbial half loaf negotiators often speak of. Maybe Republicans will finally settle for a quarter loaf once the dust settles, but in return for that flexibility on their part Republicans insist on setting the agenda for “the conversation” they are seeking.

Republicans say that the Affordable Care Act poses a grave threat to the nation and that something must be done to change it; repeal it or at least delay it. So they want the U.S. Senate and the American President to bend to their will regarding it. But Democrats say that rapidly escalating gun violence poses a grave threat to the nation and that something must be done to change it; outlaw assault type weapons or at least close the gun show loop hole for background checks. The seemingly inevitable inter-party negotiations that are approaching will likely include revisiting the Affordable Care Act, but common sense gun safety measures won’t be on the Republican prepared table.

The Republicans claim our current budget deficits pose a grave threat to the nation and something must be done to cut them further. They want further cuts in spending and they want cuts in the economic safety net that tens of millions of Americans depend on. While claiming that current deficits are a huge problem, Republicans accept only one means to deal with them; slashing government spending. Republicans refuse to consider measures that would increase revenue to the government and reduce our deficits that way. Republicans want to negotiate with the President on new cuts only. So to restore any sequestration cuts to the Pentagon more money will need to be taken from programs that are dear to the Democratic Party. That is the Republican version of compromise.

But Democrats believe that continuing high unemployment poses a grave thereat to the nation and that measures must be taken to bring that unemployment down. Most leading economists agree with the Democrats, as does the American public according to countless polls. Rather than firing more workers to shave money off the budget, Democrats believe we need more government funded jobs programs, both in the public and private sectors. Democrats believe it is the role of government to fill the void when the private sector can’t respond to the public need. Jump starting the economy with new government hiring ultimately will more than repay those outlays in future tax revenues. And it will help the American people.

That’s what Democrats tend to believe, and Republicans predictably disagree. But despite controlling the Senate and the Presidency, despite Obama winning the 2012 election and having Democrats pick up seats in both houses of Congress, despite Democrats winning actually winning the combined popular vote for all districts in the House of Representatives, no new jobs bill will be subject to discussion under the Republican version of “compromise”.

And so the politics of compromise has been framed. Republicans posture and say they are being told to surrender when asked to restore normality to our governing process. They will claim to have compromised greatly just to agree to that. What, they will certainly ask, do we get in return? Republicans expect to set the agenda for future talks, and they’ve done a pretty good job of doing that so far. Talk of deficit cutting compromises fill the airwaves but raising the minimum wage never gets a mention. Democrats will be pushed on further spending cuts without any tax increases on the wealthiest Americans. Expect the Affordable Care Act to be put on the negotiating table, expect Social Security cuts to be on that table too. Expect common sense gun safety measures, job creation, and Immigration reform to be decidedly off the table. Starting there, as they say, each side will then have to “give up a little”. Why are so many now so certain that this time Republican extortion won’t work?

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The Republican Idea of Compromise (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Oct 2013 OP
Republicans lie about being run roughshod over Tom Rinaldo Oct 2013 #1
Obama demands status quo/GOP status quo+ defund Obamacare+more cuts+simplify tax code Southside Oct 2013 #2
Thank you. Yes, I think you have it right Tom Rinaldo Oct 2013 #3
Yes....a sad game Southside Oct 2013 #5
"Can I burn your house down?" apnu Oct 2013 #4

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
1. Republicans lie about being run roughshod over
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:30 AM
Oct 2013

When they say their members got elected too, that they control a part of Congress, but that Democrats don't give them the respect owed them or that their participation in the governing process is shut out, they flat out lie.

The Republicans on balence are the minority party in government and yet, from their position in the minority, they killed the cap and trade global warming initiative. They protected most of the Bush tax cuts on the rich. They killed sane gun safety measures. They have maintained the status quo on immigration policy. They refuse to raise the minimum wage. They refuse to consider any new government job creation initiatives. They forced cuts in government spending, and on and on.

The Republicans have had plenty of power flowing from a minority position. That is how our system works and they have milked it for every drop of leverage it affords with plenty to show for their obstruction.

Southside

(338 posts)
2. Obama demands status quo/GOP status quo+ defund Obamacare+more cuts+simplify tax code
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 12:03 PM
Oct 2013

Thank you for your excellent essay, bravo for its form and substance.

Your essay woke me up, it is a little sad that I am cheering for my President because he won't ask for anything or make demands that we want, but SOMETIMES, you have to thank the responsible parent.

GOP: "That Obama sure is Tyrant!"

Obama: I don't want anything new, let's just keep the government running.

GOP:"First We gave you everything EXCEPT for obamacare, now we are "caving in", willing to cutoff the Tea Party influence, drop ObamaCare, reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling If you promise to accept this OTHER list of demands". In other words we dropped the bazooka and now you only have rifle pointed at your head.

Give me a break, Sorry for yelling, but in my opinion, THERE IS NO LEFT EQUIVALENT TO THE TEA PARTY! In any matter, they are extreme and happily it seems they are slowly, but surely being swept under the carpet in the current arc of our country (I am sure they will make a comeback). Still there is another battle to be fought with GOP left standing.

GOP keeps whining "We give in on ObamaCare, but Obama still wants everything or nothing", but exactly what are Obama's demands? in my opinion, and if I am reading your essay correctly, Obama is asking for status quo, no new demands, no jobs bill, no immigration reform, no restoration of pre sequestration funding, no gun control. No new demands, so we can keep the government running.

Republicans on the other hand have a simple argument for their shutdown strategy "it's my house and we can cry if we want to" ; 'We have the right to choose what we pay for, it's in the constitution damn it!' This idea is well stated in the Sowell, Townhall article:

"As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity. http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-go%20vernment-n1716292/

We all have rights, but our side chooses to keep the country we love running. Not just for people who love national parks, or building battle ships, for all people. Not just for the dreamers, not just the unemployed, not just for victims of gun violence or the poor. We make concessions for the greater good. We do not exercise our right to whine and cry for what we want if it means shutting down the government.

Mr. President, thank you for being the responsible parent.

Sorry for the long reply, but you are addressing the GOP game that is making me sick. I would go mad trying to negotiate with these guys. Thank you President Obama. Thank you OP, great piece of writing.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
3. Thank you. Yes, I think you have it right
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 03:54 PM
Oct 2013

Obama already agreed to a Republican demand to keep government open, one that Boehner asked for; he accepted the Republican budget number, the one they wanted not the one Democrats wanted. Then Boehner's caucus shut down the government anyway. And yes, he made NO new demands of his own. He didn't even demand that Republicans allow a majority up or down vote on background checks in the Senate. He didn't demand acceptence of his jobs bill in order to allow the American peole a functioning government. Republicans are demanding that the Democrats negotiate the terms of their surrender on issues that matter to Democrats and the public, and they have no intention of renouncing hostage taking as a tactic until they are happy with those "negotiations", hence only promising to lift the debt ceiling for 6 weeks and not even re-opening the government fits their view of making concessions to the President.

Southside

(338 posts)
5. Yes....a sad game
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:54 PM
Oct 2013

We could do so much for future generations. Obama is a pragmatic, they can get a lot of what they want and Democrats can advance in areas as well. The Right is afraid of change. Future generations will still admire The Civil War era, the New Deal era, Civil Rights, Transformation of Communism to globalization and this era could be reconstruction of the middle class with health care, education/retraining for service and green jobs etc, immigration reform devoted to rebuilding the middle class and working familie. We have a chance, but the left wants to go backwards.

Thanks for more clarity on the GOP game we are dealing with.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
4. "Can I burn your house down?"
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 03:55 PM
Oct 2013

"No."

"Can I burn the second floor?"

"No."

"Can I burn your living room?"

"No."

"You won't compromise!"

That's how it goes with Republicans these days.

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