I am seeing a lot of Warren will defeat Clinton ops

[Peacetrain]

And if Elizabeth Warren decides she really does want to run.. she might.. then again she might not. If the primaries were held today, I would most definitely vote Hillary Clinton. But if Elizabeth Warren took the election and was the canidate.. I would most happily vote for her.

But the one thing I will NOT do.. is let the republicans get away with a Benghazi smear campaign to try and influence who I vote for.

They may have Secretary Clinton in their sights right now.. but trust me on this.. they have Senator Warren black ops warming up to smear her also.


Cheer and promote your canidate and all that they can possibly achieve. We all need that information.

So to all who nay nay one possibility over the other, do it with respect. DO NOT get played.

But better yet.. let us concentrate on one election at a time, and not lose sight of 2014.

Those state houses and congress seats will impact the efficacy of the next President like non other.

I am all about 2014.. plenty of time for the 2016 campaigns..

[NoOneMan]

1. "they have Senator Warren black ops warming up to smear her also"

[Peacetrain]

2. Take it to the bank..

The GOP ran a bloody awful smear campaign against her when she ran again Scott Brown. Don't think for a second they are not working on something more against her.. as they continue to smear Hillary.

[NoOneMan]

3. If Hillary is so smearable, why is she such a great candidate?

You sound upset like this is something to be worried about, which is a strange thing to worry about when the inevitable candidate is, well, inevitable.

[Peacetrain]

5. You must not have been around for the 2004 election

oh that is a good one.. No such animal as the "inevitable"

[HappyMe]

4. Every Dem candidate gets the repug smear treatment.

I would vote for Warren over Clinton in a primary type situation.

[Peacetrain]

6. And I would vote for Clinton in the primary.. but I would NOT

piss in the water as we sometimes say locally.. Because if Warren won.. piece of cake.. I would vote for her.. If Biden decides he wants another toss at it.. and he won.. guess what I would gladly vote for him in the general.

[HappyMe]

9. Meaning what?

That no criticism of Clinton is allowed? The President gets criticized here (fairly and unfairly) every day. Why should Clinton be immune?

[pscot]

7. The Bengazi smear has nothing to do

with my attitude toward Hillary.

[Peacetrain]

8. Fair point.

[longship]

10. She's already said, "Not interested."

So there's that.

Of course, there are many who still hold out for her.

My advice wait a year or so, preferably to late 2015. Then, let's have this conversation. It is silly and utterly foolish until then.

And it detracts from the very important discussions on what we need to do to win back the House and secure our lead in the Senate in 2014.

[Peacetrain]

11. Absolutely!!

2014 first..

[davidpdx]

17. Agreed

People are getting way ahead of themselves pushing the idea that we HAVE to choose a candidate NOW. That reeks of desperation.

It seems like most are using Chris Christie as the excuse for blowing their trumpets on picking a candidate now. I have never in my life heard of a party using a potential candidate in the other party as a reason for having to choose a candidate three years from the election.

[book_worm]

12. If she ran (which she won't) I doubt that Sen Warren would win NY against Clinton

[HappyMe]

13. Why?

This NYer would vote for Warren over Clinton.

[BluegrassDem]

14. Demographics would favor Clintor over Warren in a primary

Obama had black voters with a vice grip in 2008. They will gravitate to Hillary next time. No way Warren will win Latinos and blacks. She'll do well with the elite liberals, highly educated, high income. That's not enough to win a nomination though.

[Whisp]

19. Obama had black voters because he was the better candidate

and not because he was black. Let's get that straight.

Just like Hillary will not get the women's vote just because she is a woman. She has to be the better candidate. And She Wasn't/Ain't.

[libdem4life]

15. She's. Not. Running. Please give this woman a break. She's. Not. Running.

She is great where she is. No one can do what she is doing. Quitting her jobs...Senator and Representative of the Consumer, is not an option for Ms. Warren. Give it up already.

It is because the Republicans are in full steam ahead against Hillary that we must break out of our dire proclamations of the Evils of Three Years of Campaigning and Fundraising. We can do both 2014 and 2016 at the same time...really we can. Most of us, especially the online warriors, are capable of multi-tasking.

Christie has started. Iowa is being visited. PACs are forming. Corporate donations are being sought (by both parties) because they are needed for early political consultants and the organizations needed to bring in a billion dollars and win a general election. This doesn't happen in a candidate vacuum just for the heck of it.

Face it, we're "stuck" with Hillary.

[davidpdx]

16. I agree with you on the focus being next year's election

If we don't get back the House and hold the Senate nothing will get done during Obama's last two years. Nothing. It will be more of the same.

I doubt that many people will disagree with me on this point.

There are going to be many races that will be close and down to the wire. We need to win them.

[davidpdx]

18. By the way

I'm not oppose to either person as a candidate. What I'm advocating is that we see who runs instead of letting the GOP scare us into nominating who they want.

[TheKentuckian]

20. Who gives a shit about Benghazi outside of the Faux set?