Who the fuck are they polling and how is this question on the President's trustworthiness being

[bigdarryl]

worded http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/poll-obama-not-a-manager-in-chief-100330.html?hp=l3

[JoePhilly]

1. The media tells the people what to think, and then acts surprised that they think

what they've been told to think.

[PATRICK]

3. They also

get upset and a little scared when people don't follow the agenda. They also show surprise about Teaparty nonsense, Iraq War myths believed despite media exposure. The most naive propagandists, which the public pundits have in some abundance, don't see their unequal showing of lies as "points of view" in general supports a wide deception of the public. Yet on NPR you had frustrated agenda mouths complaining of the shutdown spoiling their planned attack on the yet to happen ACA rollout. With a more than revealing eagerness and malice aforethought that makes any media based poll automatically suspect.

[Gman]

2. Sorry, but he's brought this one on himself

with the botched roll out of the ACA. Something this big, his legacy, should have had much better management that started with people around him. He obviously left it to others to do and took a "keep me posted" approach to something this historic. He's well known now for being detached. His performance in the first debate last year was a result of that attitude. And this is my biggest of all beef with him that he allowed this to happen with the ACA due to nothing but negligence on his part. The project management on this was horrible.

And I hate these kind of self inflicted wounds that didn't have to happen.

[JoePhilly]

4. Yea, a few web site problems will overshadow millions getting health insurance.

It'll destroy his legacy.

Or ...

This manufactured crisis will go the way of all the other manufactured legacy busters.

And did you really bring up the debate that didn't matter?

[Gman]

6. This will go away and 25 years from now it will be his legacy that people have health care

but his legacy will be that he was a bad administrator/manager. He's a teacher, not a manager.

[JoePhilly]

9. Yes, children will all be taught that the President was not a good manager.

In class they will learn that Obama ...

Won in an electoral landslide, twice.

Stopped a 2nd great depression.

Ended the Iraq war.

Killed OBL.

Saved the US auto industry.

Doubled the stock market.

Passed sweeping health care legislation.

Obtained a major chemical weapons agreement regarding Syria.

Obtained a major nuclear weapons deal with other major powers and Iran.

Oh ... and also ... that he wasn't a very good manager.

I can see why one would be concerned about this.

[Whisp]

10. touché.

most excellently delivered.

I see there will be no response.

[Gman]

16. You make much ado about my comment

And everything you say is correct. My only point as someone who has done project management is this was very easily preventable.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. You mean........

he isn't.......perfect? I don't know about you but if I were President Obama, I'd gladly take the hit for a troubled healthcare website rollout over purposefully ordering the deaths of 4000+ people in a "war of choice" to eliminate a non-existent threat (which was fairly evident to most people and would have been clear to Bush/Cheney had they actually done a thorough and honest assessment of all of the facts). Whatever bad thing you can say about the ACA and its rollout (and to the extent that all of the problems were easily foreseeable and preventable), you have to agree that nobody has died nor is going to die because of a shoddy website.

[Gman]

15. Agreed

[PATRICK]

5. Unfortunately

there are complaints that even Jesus brought it on himself using that rationale. Reformers have been always brought low with the convenient sex scandal because it so opportunely diverts from the real villains and the real issue. Everyone has a tough time completely criticizing Obama because many of the actual- not imaginary- flaws or whatever either damage the good or expose the evil. The net effect is to get everyone against the man, therefore evil wins. Hence the difficulty many have with trying to oppose the White House. False equivalency is just one aspect of the grand problem of pretending evil has a legitimate say. Once granted evil wins almost completely, the compromises revolting and needlessly torturous- and degenerative not progressive.

What should be done is to simply keep hammering at the truth. Medicare for all, single payer, stop tax dollars to unneeded and harmful corporate entities. Get better people in power to actually do better.

[Gman]

7. It's not what he did, like Jesus, it's how he did it

that's the problem. He failed terribly in managing the rollout of his legacy. But again, he's a teacher, not a manager. It's possible to be both, but he is not.

[Hippo_Tron]

17. It's not the President's job to micromanage a website

Jimmy Carter was a notorious micromanager and that caused a huge amount of problems for his administration. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 and we all wish that the President had micromanaged this particular thing from the oval office. But since we can't govern by hindsight, I'm glad that in general we don't have a President who generally decides he needs to manage things like a website. That really ought to be something that you can delegate to underlings. If anything, I'd criticize him for making poor choices about the underlings he decided to appoint.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

18. Was he supposed to have written the programs for the website?

come on!

[LibGranny]

8. I'm as American as they come (Native actually) and I HAVE NEVER BEEN

polled. I do at times participate in on-line polls that are open to everyone but I really hate it when politicians say "the American people" want whatever! No one has ever asked me (or any of my large family) what they think and the ONLY WAY WE CAN STATE OUR OPINION IS BY VOTING!

[appacom]

14. I live in WV and every telephone pollster who calls here is clearly headed in a rightwing direction

so I cuss them out immediately and hang up. I'm assuming that other like-minded folks do the same. Let's all go out to vote in 2014 and surprise them with a good old fashioned ass-kicking.

[Sunlei]

12. it is R 'push polls' to make the President look bad. spend billions on propaganda to scam for votes

every school kid in America could have a free breakfast and lunch with the billions Rs spend to scam for votes.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. Republicans are evil

[Jamaal510]

13. This doesn't make sense:

"Seven in 10 of those surveyed say he is likable", but "56 percent say Obama is not a person they admire".