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Democrats Fear Obamacare Will Cost Them The Senate (Original Post) big_dog Nov 2013 OP
Fear of an election that takes place a year from now. arcane1 Nov 2013 #1
From the essay: Laelth Nov 2013 #2
Fear and panic make otherwise smart people stupid Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #3
Republicans don't fix things... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #17
You post is right on,we need to hound the Rethugs with this Tippy Nov 2013 #26
They need to spend more time listening to their constituents and less to the media tularetom Nov 2013 #4
+1 Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #18
I wondr why the administration didn't Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #5
Fearless, resolute Democrats. Have you seen one recently? blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #6
They need to focus a united message on the GOOD of it and ask people, "What is the GOP alternative?" RBInMaine Nov 2013 #7
Maybe they would be less fearful if they had pride in improving society and cared less about bloomington-lib Nov 2013 #8
The repubs have been saying that too. Turbineguy Nov 2013 #9
Not that worried yet. Rozlee Nov 2013 #10
What's with all this doom and gloom for the Democratic Party from you? BainsBane Nov 2013 #11
Fear, my ass. The Democrats are doing pretty damned well in the obamaCARE department. ancianita Nov 2013 #12
Fear makes you stupid. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #13
I agree davidpdx Nov 2013 #30
I'm just saying people who try to scare you are not your friends. bemildred Nov 2013 #31
"Fear is the mind-killer". Frank Herbert, "Dune" SharonAnn Nov 2013 #32
Yep. bemildred Nov 2013 #35
republican backed insurance corps desperate to keep selling profitable scam insurance to Americans. Sunlei Nov 2013 #14
I'm sure the Nationan Journal is *VERY CONCERNED* about Democrats losing control JoePhilly Nov 2013 #15
Quit calling the ACA 'ObamaCare' might actually help. Lets take over the conversation .... marble falls Nov 2013 #16
I'm worried about it hollowdweller Nov 2013 #19
It won't. treestar Nov 2013 #20
I'm totally hoping you are right. hollowdweller Nov 2013 #21
I had to get info on the National Journal from a German website. Look what I found: DFW Nov 2013 #22
When the corporate own news report non stop the problems B Calm Nov 2013 #23
i have no fear mgcgulfcoast Nov 2013 #24
What a crock full of it Coyotl Nov 2013 #25
Yea, I doubt the ACA fredamae Nov 2013 #27
Seems you are always very concerned these days, big_dog. Th1onein Nov 2013 #28
You mean it won't be Benghazi? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #29
Let me guess--that "Democratic pollster"'s name rhymes with "Fat Kud Hell"? Arkana Nov 2013 #33
Clearly Senate Democrats do not fear that. sofa king Nov 2013 #34

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. From the essay:
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:47 PM
Nov 2013
Last week, President Obama's pollster Joel Benenson sent a memo to congressional Democrats encouraging them to refocus attention on the economy and ignore the health care chaos that has consumed the administration for the last two months. The three-page set of talking points argued that the media's relentless focus on the Obamacare website is a "distraction" from more important work on the minds of voters.


That was some astute analysis and good advice, imo.

-Laelth

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
3. Fear and panic make otherwise smart people stupid
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:56 PM
Nov 2013

Hopefully, some of the Dems don't lose their stones and side with Republicans on measures that will substantially weaken rather than legitimately fix ACA. I should point out too that Republicans don't want to fix anything. They just want to kill the law entirely- but they'll settle for doing it slowly if they have to. *Ugh*

Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
17. Republicans don't fix things...
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 01:55 PM
Nov 2013

they exploit them for their own advantage, either financially or politically.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
4. They need to spend more time listening to their constituents and less to the media
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:58 PM
Nov 2013

They're being scared off by all the negative pundit bullshit on the cable "news" outlets.

And they need to concentrate on the extended recovery, job creation and security, and stop worrying about Obamacare. It will take care of itself.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
5. I wondr why the administration didn't
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:12 AM
Nov 2013

spend money top air 'commercials' like this one say; to allay the fears and inform people;

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
7. They need to focus a united message on the GOOD of it and ask people, "What is the GOP alternative?"
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:37 AM
Nov 2013

bloomington-lib

(946 posts)
8. Maybe they would be less fearful if they had pride in improving society and cared less about
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 01:02 AM
Nov 2013

keeping their cushy job.

Turbineguy

(37,296 posts)
9. The repubs have been saying that too.
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 01:08 AM
Nov 2013

Why even bother to vote? The repubs will take back the Senate, the White House and the country.


And sell it cheap.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
10. Not that worried yet.
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 01:36 AM
Nov 2013

Depends on whether they keep running those right-wing loons. Teabaggers have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory these last couple of years with their extremism. And all it takes is for one of them to open their mouths like Todd Akin and say something about "legitimate rape" or something equally moronic. We haven't had good Democrat candidates in some of our elections, witness Terry McAuliffe, but they've gone on to win because their teabagger opponents were too batshit crazy. Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Ken Cuccinelli, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Alan West and Joe Walsh looked like they would be headed for victory because they had weak or unpopular Democratic opponents, but they turned out to be too extreme for people. I'm hoping the crazy will be strong in them again in 2014.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
11. What's with all this doom and gloom for the Democratic Party from you?
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 02:15 AM
Nov 2013

We've got the clown show on the other side. I'm not terribly worried.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
30. I agree
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 09:52 AM
Nov 2013

The Democrats could be their own worst nightmare running from the healthcare plan. The fight for senate seats is going to be fierce.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
31. I'm just saying people who try to scare you are not your friends.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 09:57 AM
Nov 2013

Friends talk to you like an adult, they don't try to spook you into some reaction. If you are scared or angry the first order of business is to calm down so you can think and not do something stupid.

Said well by others here too.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
35. Yep.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 10:34 PM
Nov 2013

I'm not that fond of Herbert, but he had that right.

Fear is the mind killer
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
-- The Bene Gesserit Litany of Fear from the novel Dune by Frank Herbert

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. republican backed insurance corps desperate to keep selling profitable scam insurance to Americans.
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 10:48 AM
Nov 2013

marble falls

(57,014 posts)
16. Quit calling the ACA 'ObamaCare' might actually help. Lets take over the conversation ....
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 11:16 AM
Nov 2013

and start talking only about healthcare and quit making it all about the President.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
19. I'm worried about it
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 11:47 PM
Nov 2013

HUGE blunder with the rollout.

I worried it would be impossible to get the economy turned around quick enough for the 2010 elections and I was right.

In the long run Obama will be famous in a good way for Obama care but if they don't go on the offensive both in getting it working and in gaining control of the media narrative I'm worried about the Senate too because this whole thing has caused Obama and the dems to take a HUGE hit.

Can you imagine a GOP house and senate?

One thing is for sure Obama has really done very little to help the dems in the house and senate.
 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
21. I'm totally hoping you are right.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:55 AM
Nov 2013

Like 40,000 in my state already signed up for medicare expansion. It will change peoples lives in a very good way ultimately.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
22. I had to get info on the National Journal from a German website. Look what I found:
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:26 AM
Nov 2013

I couldn't get a clear reading on them from English language sites--other than what they say about themselves.

Here is what the German listing says:

Beispiele nazistischer und islamistischer Propaganda im Internet - 2007. Schlagzeilen aus dem rechtsextremen "National-Journal",

Translation: Examples of Nazi and Islamist propaganda in the internet-2007. Headlines from the extreme rightist "National Journal"........

If you look at the comments from the readers of the article cited in the OP, it reads like a Fox and Frauds town hall..

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
23. When the corporate own news report non stop the problems
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:58 AM
Nov 2013

with ACA, I can understand their concern!

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
27. Yea, I doubt the ACA
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:47 PM
Nov 2013

Rollout problems are the real issues behind Dems worries....

I'm sure they'd like to roll everything into this one issue, however.

Failure to fully reform the Filibuster when ending Obstruction Could have mattered and Prevented much of what we're trying to survive now
Environmental issues
Fukushima Disaster and it's effects on us
Keystone
Fracking
Oil Spills cover-ups etc
CPI/Soc Sec Cuts
Way too much Compromising on legislation So toxic there was NO reasonable compromise for the people.
TPP et al
Sequester Deal
STOCK ACT Gutted in the most amazing demonstration of Bi-Partisanship I've ever witnessed.
SNAP/Meals on Wheels/Cancer Treatments left Cut as they ALL voted to swiftly restore Sequester Funding to the FAA so they could all get home on time.
Justice
NSA
VRA
Reasonable Gun Safety Regs (Leadership is weak imo)
There's more. And I believe they owe us all an explanation.
Maybe I expect too much, but as a Dem for my whole damned life? If Simply put: If I served in Cong_I'd totally be out there Informing people about what's Really going on...So few "Dems" do. I'd be a "Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren type. I believe most of the people I know would be also.

IMO If I were a Democrat running for office? I'd be distancing myself from the Feinsteins/Schumers/Pelosi's etc aka: Corporate Wing of the Dem Party out there.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
34. Clearly Senate Democrats do not fear that.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 04:37 PM
Nov 2013

Touching off the nuclear option is a clear, obvious signal that Democrats in the Senate no longer fear the possibility of a Republican resurgence in the Senate... ever again.

I'm totally serious about that. Republicans aren't coming back from this. It's a bit of an anthropomorphic argument, I'll freely admit, but I see it like this: one simply does not use this sort of a rules change if one's opponent is in a position to come back. Instead, we are using it as a hedge for our expected margin of victory: either we bag a supermajority in the next election, or we implement a series of majority-rule changes that have already been tested in practice over the course of 2014.

Democrats have been winning statewide elections somewhere between 2 to 1 and 3 to 1 over the past two elections, and one can use Virginia's off-off year election this November as an indicator that those conditions continue to prevail. Un-sticking the log-jam of nominations in the Senate will break the conservative hold on the courts. It's going to flush out the Bush stay-behinds in the Executive Branch and prevent the next election cycle from being tainted by Republican-generated "scandals" within the Obama administration and make election-theft-by-judge less likely.

The reason for this, and I encourage all of you to begin looking into it, is because thirty years of voracious conservative policy has devoured the American middle class--but it chewed through rural, conservative America first. Over the past twelve years, rural Republicans have been at least as likely as Democrats to lose their good jobs, their homes, their pensions, their retirement accounts, their health care, their farms and property holdings, and so on. Rural America is where Wal-Mart turned on the vacuum cleaners and sucked every small business out of the region, so once they hit the skids in rural America, what do they do?

They wander into the cities, seeking better services and shorter transit times to the things one needs--the "socialist" services they once tried so hard to kill. But once there, the ignorant conservative's vote is completely absorbed by the more realistic people around them, and the more realistic Republicans realize that they are now the targets of Republican victimization. They are learning empathy the hard way: by having the results of their policies fall squarely and even disproportionately among themselves and the vanishingly small number of people outside of themselves that they actually care about.

The conservatives sacrificed their own lives and treasure to keep gay people from marrying in 2004, so it's awfully damned hard for me to summon up a lot of empathy for them and their callous stupidity--but chances are good there was an empty seat at your own table yesterday, because someone you loved--one of the conservatives all know and love and consider part of our families--fell to conservative policy in the past few years. Make no mistake, this is a human tragedy of enormous proportions, and I think Democrats have become the beneficiaries of it by failing to prevent it from happening, though none of us can be accused of not trying. But others may look at it differently.

Some, for example, might see this past four years as a little bit like a past season of the Walking Dead, where an angry authoritarian leader punished his constituents for failure by killing them all. The Republican Party may be on its way to dead, but the evil that animated it for most of its existence is bigger, meaner and more powerful than ever.

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