2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDemocrats Fear Obamacare Will Cost Them The Senate
One top Democratic pollster: If there's nothing you want to fix, there's something wrong with you. http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/democrats-fear-obamacare-will-cost-them-the-senate-20131126
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The fear is unjustified.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)That was some astute analysis and good advice, imo.
-Laelth
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,396 posts)Hopefully, some of the Dems don't lose their stones and side with Republicans on measures that will substantially weaken rather than legitimately fix ACA. I should point out too that Republicans don't want to fix anything. They just want to kill the law entirely- but they'll settle for doing it slowly if they have to. *Ugh*
Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)they exploit them for their own advantage, either financially or politically.
Tippy
(4,610 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)They're being scared off by all the negative pundit bullshit on the cable "news" outlets.
And they need to concentrate on the extended recovery, job creation and security, and stop worrying about Obamacare. It will take care of itself.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,546 posts)spend money top air 'commercials' like this one say; to allay the fears and inform people;
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)bloomington-lib
(946 posts)keeping their cushy job.
Turbineguy
(37,296 posts)Why even bother to vote? The repubs will take back the Senate, the White House and the country.
And sell it cheap.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Depends on whether they keep running those right-wing loons. Teabaggers have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory these last couple of years with their extremism. And all it takes is for one of them to open their mouths like Todd Akin and say something about "legitimate rape" or something equally moronic. We haven't had good Democrat candidates in some of our elections, witness Terry McAuliffe, but they've gone on to win because their teabagger opponents were too batshit crazy. Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Ken Cuccinelli, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Alan West and Joe Walsh looked like they would be headed for victory because they had weak or unpopular Democratic opponents, but they turned out to be too extreme for people. I'm hoping the crazy will be strong in them again in 2014.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)We've got the clown show on the other side. I'm not terribly worried.
ancianita
(35,952 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The Democrats could be their own worst nightmare running from the healthcare plan. The fight for senate seats is going to be fierce.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Friends talk to you like an adult, they don't try to spook you into some reaction. If you are scared or angry the first order of business is to calm down so you can think and not do something stupid.
Said well by others here too.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)I'm not that fond of Herbert, but he had that right.
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
-- The Bene Gesserit Litany of Fear from the novel Dune by Frank Herbert
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)of the Senate.
marble falls
(57,014 posts)and start talking only about healthcare and quit making it all about the President.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)HUGE blunder with the rollout.
I worried it would be impossible to get the economy turned around quick enough for the 2010 elections and I was right.
In the long run Obama will be famous in a good way for Obama care but if they don't go on the offensive both in getting it working and in gaining control of the media narrative I'm worried about the Senate too because this whole thing has caused Obama and the dems to take a HUGE hit.
Can you imagine a GOP house and senate?
One thing is for sure Obama has really done very little to help the dems in the house and senate.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It'll be running well by then.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Like 40,000 in my state already signed up for medicare expansion. It will change peoples lives in a very good way ultimately.
DFW
(54,302 posts)I couldn't get a clear reading on them from English language sites--other than what they say about themselves.
Here is what the German listing says:
Beispiele nazistischer und islamistischer Propaganda im Internet - 2007. Schlagzeilen aus dem rechtsextremen "National-Journal",
Translation: Examples of Nazi and Islamist propaganda in the internet-2007. Headlines from the extreme rightist "National Journal"........
If you look at the comments from the readers of the article cited in the OP, it reads like a Fox and Frauds town hall..
B Calm
(28,762 posts)with ACA, I can understand their concern!
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)all of our candidates should demand single payer.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)Rollout problems are the real issues behind Dems worries....
I'm sure they'd like to roll everything into this one issue, however.
Failure to fully reform the Filibuster when ending Obstruction Could have mattered and Prevented much of what we're trying to survive now
Environmental issues
Fukushima Disaster and it's effects on us
Keystone
Fracking
Oil Spills cover-ups etc
CPI/Soc Sec Cuts
Way too much Compromising on legislation So toxic there was NO reasonable compromise for the people.
TPP et al
Sequester Deal
STOCK ACT Gutted in the most amazing demonstration of Bi-Partisanship I've ever witnessed.
SNAP/Meals on Wheels/Cancer Treatments left Cut as they ALL voted to swiftly restore Sequester Funding to the FAA so they could all get home on time.
Justice
NSA
VRA
Reasonable Gun Safety Regs (Leadership is weak imo)
There's more. And I believe they owe us all an explanation.
Maybe I expect too much, but as a Dem for my whole damned life? If Simply put: If I served in Cong_I'd totally be out there Informing people about what's Really going on...So few "Dems" do. I'd be a "Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren type. I believe most of the people I know would be also.
IMO If I were a Democrat running for office? I'd be distancing myself from the Feinsteins/Schumers/Pelosi's etc aka: Corporate Wing of the Dem Party out there.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Why is that, I wonder?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Right wing speak
Arkana
(24,347 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Touching off the nuclear option is a clear, obvious signal that Democrats in the Senate no longer fear the possibility of a Republican resurgence in the Senate... ever again.
I'm totally serious about that. Republicans aren't coming back from this. It's a bit of an anthropomorphic argument, I'll freely admit, but I see it like this: one simply does not use this sort of a rules change if one's opponent is in a position to come back. Instead, we are using it as a hedge for our expected margin of victory: either we bag a supermajority in the next election, or we implement a series of majority-rule changes that have already been tested in practice over the course of 2014.
Democrats have been winning statewide elections somewhere between 2 to 1 and 3 to 1 over the past two elections, and one can use Virginia's off-off year election this November as an indicator that those conditions continue to prevail. Un-sticking the log-jam of nominations in the Senate will break the conservative hold on the courts. It's going to flush out the Bush stay-behinds in the Executive Branch and prevent the next election cycle from being tainted by Republican-generated "scandals" within the Obama administration and make election-theft-by-judge less likely.
The reason for this, and I encourage all of you to begin looking into it, is because thirty years of voracious conservative policy has devoured the American middle class--but it chewed through rural, conservative America first. Over the past twelve years, rural Republicans have been at least as likely as Democrats to lose their good jobs, their homes, their pensions, their retirement accounts, their health care, their farms and property holdings, and so on. Rural America is where Wal-Mart turned on the vacuum cleaners and sucked every small business out of the region, so once they hit the skids in rural America, what do they do?
They wander into the cities, seeking better services and shorter transit times to the things one needs--the "socialist" services they once tried so hard to kill. But once there, the ignorant conservative's vote is completely absorbed by the more realistic people around them, and the more realistic Republicans realize that they are now the targets of Republican victimization. They are learning empathy the hard way: by having the results of their policies fall squarely and even disproportionately among themselves and the vanishingly small number of people outside of themselves that they actually care about.
The conservatives sacrificed their own lives and treasure to keep gay people from marrying in 2004, so it's awfully damned hard for me to summon up a lot of empathy for them and their callous stupidity--but chances are good there was an empty seat at your own table yesterday, because someone you loved--one of the conservatives all know and love and consider part of our families--fell to conservative policy in the past few years. Make no mistake, this is a human tragedy of enormous proportions, and I think Democrats have become the beneficiaries of it by failing to prevent it from happening, though none of us can be accused of not trying. But others may look at it differently.
Some, for example, might see this past four years as a little bit like a past season of the Walking Dead, where an angry authoritarian leader punished his constituents for failure by killing them all. The Republican Party may be on its way to dead, but the evil that animated it for most of its existence is bigger, meaner and more powerful than ever.