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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:20 AM Jan 2014

Democrats May Get Their Own Destructive Tea Party Movement

By Dean Obeidallah

The rise of Bill de Blasio and Elizabeth Warren shows the progressive wing is powerful and angry. How soon until their fans pick primary fights with the old guard?

Is this the beginning of the end of Democratic Party unity? Will we see primary challenges to incumbent Democrats who are viewed as not being liberal enough? How far are we from moderate Democrats be labeled as “DINOs”—Democrats in name only?

Only time will tell, but there is a growing possibility we will see “Tea Party” Democrats in the near future. They wouldn’t be conservatives like the Republican Tea Party members, but they would share the same dogmatic commitment to ideology and aversion to compromise. If you think Congress sucks now, just imagine how horrific it would be if there were Tea Party Democrats facing off against Tea Party Republicans!

The leaders of the resurgent progressive wing of the Democratic Party include the new mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio, who has vowed to raise taxes on the wealthiest New Yorkers to fund more social programs. There’s also Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), who recently suggested (not advocated) that the minimum wage should be $22 an hour. And President Obama also seems to have joined this movement with his recent push to address income inequality and raise the minimum wage—both of which Obama is expected to name as priorities in his State of the Union address later this month.

Sure, there are some who applaud the rise of the new left. E.J. Dionne Jr., for example, wrote last week: “The return of a viable, vocal left will actually be good news for the political center.” He may be correct—this could be good for the political center. But it may not be good for the Democratic Party, at least if success is measured by electoral victories.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/06/democrats-may-get-their-own-destructive-tea-party-movement.html

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Democrats May Get Their Own Destructive Tea Party Movement (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2014 OP
That is what I expect. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #1
Got a link to the original column (you linked to Dionne's piece)? geek tragedy Jan 2014 #2
Corrected. Sorry! Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated eom DonViejo Jan 2014 #3
This is the most ridiculous thing I heard today. DetlefK Jan 2014 #4
Thank you. BlueStreak Jan 2014 #5
+1000. Thank you. (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #9
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ! BobUp Jan 2014 #28
Agreed! LiberalFighter Jan 2014 #35
apparently this dean guy is a comedian. Whisp Jan 2014 #37
Get that, you Dems with principles? Back off, you're dangerous! polichick Jan 2014 #6
I welcome the resurgence of the Democratic left. Laelth Jan 2014 #7
Apples to oranges sakabatou Jan 2014 #8
No comparison newfie11 Jan 2014 #10
First, they mock us, now they fear us. Chan790 Jan 2014 #11
+1. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #14
This country is so deeply mired packman Jan 2014 #12
If this hit piece isn't the epitome of false equivalency... meow2u3 Jan 2014 #13
How many times is Elizabeth Warren going to have to say Arkana Jan 2014 #15
The 'new' Sanders/Warren wing of the Dems is a throwback to what I remember of the 50s & 60s party.. dmosh42 Jan 2014 #16
It's a throwback to what the Democratic party was, at least since Roosevelt! LongTomH Jan 2014 #27
I don't think ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #17
We agree! Thanks for your comment... DonViejo Jan 2014 #19
Problem is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #20
and "centrists" see themselves as "centrists" frylock Jan 2014 #24
So... Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #58
Silly? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #60
Yep. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #63
Okay, Let ME explain ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #64
Games some people play. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #67
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #68
Still Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #69
in the real world, i want it all my way or blah blah blah.. frylock Jan 2014 #23
I'm not a centrist so, DonViejo Jan 2014 #40
not a centrist, but you're down for some hippy punching? frylock Jan 2014 #41
Why would I go around punching myself? DonViejo Jan 2014 #42
Aren't the teaparty mostly Libertarians? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #52
When have the democrats ever been unified since the conservative wing of the party fled? apnu Jan 2014 #18
Democratic Party? What Democratic Party? blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #21
This is the same type of reasoning used by Nader in 2000 Gothmog Jan 2014 #38
False. There are alternatives other than GOP and GOP Lite demwing Jan 2014 #46
The SCOTUS action would not have matter if Democratic voters had not listened to Nader's stupidity Gothmog Jan 2014 #47
Use the stairs! demwing Jan 2014 #50
I take it by your response that you will be happy to see Roe v. Wade overturned Gothmog Jan 2014 #55
I’m not surprised that you had that reaction demwing Jan 2014 #56
The people who claim that the Democratic Party is the same as the GOP are wrong Gothmog Jan 2014 #57
THIRD WAY BULLSHIT! imthevicar Jan 2014 #22
Oh Donkey Dung. There is no equivalency here. Teabaggers are astroturf funded by Koch et al and yellowcanine Jan 2014 #25
How could you? BobUp Jan 2014 #26
Oh, dailybeast. Asshole stupidity. nt valerief Jan 2014 #29
I'll believe it when I see it. Xyzse Jan 2014 #30
Bill DeBlasio owes his mayoralty to both Clintons. MADem Jan 2014 #31
Some entities are beyond the pale to acquiesce. Chan790 Jan 2014 #44
I think DeBlasio and Clinton are on the same page. MADem Jan 2014 #48
Though both sides are vocal, Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #32
OCCUPY is often tossed out there as the "opposite number" of the Tea Party, but I don't think that MADem Jan 2014 #49
And so it begins. PFunk Jan 2014 #33
Really? Which astroturf billionaires are secretly influencing progressives? think Jan 2014 #34
Bite the tongue - the comparison is obscene. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #36
Ignore your base at your own risk. (nt) Countdown_3_2_1 Jan 2014 #39
I certainly hope so. sendero Jan 2014 #43
Representing the electorate is not destructive. ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #45
How soon? Not soon enough! Warpy Jan 2014 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author tridim Jan 2014 #53
When has there ever been Democratic Party unity? notadmblnd Jan 2014 #54
Really stupid article. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #59
Media Madness november3rd Jan 2014 #61
There are a few Democratic equivalents to Tea Party radicals, like Cynthia McKinney Arneoker Jan 2014 #62
Comparing people on our side- any of them- to the Republican Tea Party Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #65
This more of that "both parties do it" bullshit. It was, is and forever will be bullshit. What ancianita Jan 2014 #66
They might as well call it "The D Party" NCLefty Jan 2014 #70
We Democrats have to be more pragmatic to survive Arneoker Jan 2014 #71
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Got a link to the original column (you linked to Dionne's piece)?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jan 2014

Generally, I think comparisons between pragmatic liberals like Warren and DeBlasio and the Tea party are obscene.

And, yes, they are pragmatic. They don't advocate scorched earth, or scorn everyone closer to the center in their own party as being sellouts, etc. DeBlasio appointed a Goldman Sachs exec to his administration, for pete's sake.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. This is the most ridiculous thing I heard today.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jan 2014

The Tea Party is an unholy amalgam of racists and know-nothing kneejerk-patriots that has been hijacked by big republican donors to trick people into voting against their economic interests.

Big Money at the top, all outrage at the base, no ideas in-between.

When liberals start calling for the assassinations of republicans, for the good of the land, THEN you can call them Tea Party Democrats.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
37. apparently this dean guy is a comedian.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 08:52 PM
Jan 2014

or trying to be.

lol.

not too witty, I'd say. and almost pretty dumb if he uses that kind of ridiculous comparison.
He does seem to be more left than right, maybe even a wee bit more sympathetic to the Hillaries than is healthy but this is so stupid. So reminds me of sneaky dirty tricks.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. I welcome the resurgence of the Democratic left.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jan 2014

I hope it teaches the Party establishment a Trumanesque lesson.

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman


That said, I doubt the left's resurgence will be any more destructive than the Party's 40-year-long march to the right. Talk about destructive!

-Laelth

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
10. No comparison
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jan 2014

Progressives want to improve the lives of folks, you know stopping bankers from ripping off people and getting jobs building infrastructure going, while the tea party wants to be sure the poor starve and every woman is pregnant.
I see no comparison.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
12. This country is so deeply mired
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:58 AM
Jan 2014

in conservative thought, action and policy that I, for one, would welcome hanging from the chandeliers progressives. A shift in polarity , and a hard one at that, is what this nation needs to undo the damage caused by the right. I droll at the thought of a decent min. wage, gun control to stop the slaughter of its citizens, a government that controls big business , a tax on the 1% that means something, environmental laws that protect the earth and its inhabitants, and a government of the people , by the people and for the people- to quote another progressive who had this thing about equality.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
13. If this hit piece isn't the epitome of false equivalency...
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jan 2014

I don't know what is. This is utter bullshit.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
15. How many times is Elizabeth Warren going to have to say
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jan 2014

that she isn't running for President?

I think it's fantastic that the Democrats are growing a conscience.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
16. The 'new' Sanders/Warren wing of the Dems is a throwback to what I remember of the 50s & 60s party..
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jan 2014

that was a people's party, without the corporate leaning ass-kissers who dominate the GOP. The wealth was more spread out, and the rich paid their 'fair' share of the tax load.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. I don't think ...
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

the article is equating the Leftier wing of the party to the teaparty in terms of the racist/science denying/a$$holish craziness that is the teaparty; but rather in terms of their "I want it all my way or I'll do whatever I can to burn down my house" attitude.

While, frankly, there is some evidence of this attitude here on DU, it is rather limited to those that readily admit to being "progressive, first, before Democrats. So I doubt that it'll rise to the level of the teaparty right.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
19. We agree! Thanks for your comment...
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

I think the purist wing of the progressives might become problematic but not to the extent the Tea Party has become problematic for the 'pukes.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
63. Yep.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 09:06 AM
Jan 2014

Oh. I got it. I just don't think you realize how silly and sad your post was.

Here. Let me explain. You were all slapping on progressives because they thought they were right. How dare they think that? Is that really your point? Do you argue a point thinking you are wrong?

Of course they think they are right. Everyone who argues a point believes they are right. Do you often think you are wrong about an idea you are posting? Do you argue a position you know to be wrong?

That is why I asked if you think you are wrong. You posted that the progressives are silly because they think they are right.

Now that is silly. Get it?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
64. Okay, Let ME explain ...
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jan 2014
You were all slapping on progressives because they thought they were right. How dare they think that? Is that really your point? Do you argue a point thinking you are wrong?


I realize with on-line communication, people can interpret stuff any way they wish ... ignoring context and nuance; but did you NOT see that I put the word "right" in quotation marks, and preceded by the word "JUST"? That denotes something, doesn't it?

There is a difference between "thinking" one is just "right" about something (i.e., the position held) and being willing to accept/consider that one's position is NOT the ONLY CORRECT position ... that inflexible thinking is the difference between being a "Purist" and a considered thinker.

You posted that the progressives are silly because they think they are right.


I didn't post that PROGRESSIVES are silly because the think they are right; I said PURISTS don't see themselves as purists ... they think that they are JUST RIGHT, i.e., unwilling to accept any other position. But you are quite correct, PURISTS are silly and ineffective.

The difference between being a Progressive and a Purist is the difference between being considered and reasonable and being an ideology ... a Progressive is willing to compromise in order to move toward their goal; a Purist is willing to get nothing, so long as they don't have to compromise.

I realize that the word "compromise" is toxic these days; but the one works well, in this system/environment, for governance and accomplishing something; the other works well in selling bumper stickers, and little else.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
67. Games some people play.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:28 AM
Jan 2014

You know that you are going to hit something if you keep back-pedaling that fast.

We all know what you wrote. We know what it means about your position. Don't duck your mistakes. Fess up. Apologize and try to make your arguments the first time instead of tossing shit bombs and then trying to pretend that you were "nuancing".

So if my progressivism can be dismissed as purist, can yours be dismissed as moral-less?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. Okay ...
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 08:54 AM
Jan 2014

I repeat: they intermet allows people to interpret things to read anything, wny way they wish ... including to read what is not there. I don't need to back-pedal ... I meant exactly what I wrote ... And yes, those that have reading comprehension skills know that I said what I said: and it wasn't progressives are silly. (or anything else about Progressives, unless in your world Progressive=Purist.

To be sure, in my world progressive doesn't equal Purist ... EW and Sanders voted for the budget deal that purists objected to; Sanders voted for every budget deal that purists have chanted "Over the cliff we go, then." So no ... my "centrist" position (a position that can/has only be described as "centrist", here on DU) isn't moral-less, it's reality-based.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
69. Still
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jan 2014

not reading? Just reacting.

Your reality is the world becoming meaner and less human. Your reality is a world where you use a nice little word like purist, which means one who wishes to remain true to the essence of what the party should mean, and use it pejoratively. So if a purist - which you disdain - wants to remain true, what are you. We know what the opposite of true is, don't we?

Your reality is one where people get to call themselves progressives even when they don't really care about a progressive agenda. Being false to the moral center of progressive issues is just a way to be real.

Your reality is what is why reagan captured the hearts of so many democrats. After all. Morality doesn't matter - right? Just be realistic and go with the flow.

Not my idea of progressive. Just sad.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
23. in the real world, i want it all my way or blah blah blah..
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jan 2014

equals we've tried your namby-pamby centrist bullshit for 30 years now, and it isn't fucking working. but people hear what they want to hear.

apnu

(8,750 posts)
18. When have the democrats ever been unified since the conservative wing of the party fled?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jan 2014

Since the 1960s the Democratic party has been a loose coalition of different groups and remains so to this day. People collect under this banner only because the Republicans throw everybody out who isn't "acceptable" to their unique brand of American culture. There's nowhere else to go. Here middle and left America is found. But unity? Never had it.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
21. Democratic Party? What Democratic Party?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jan 2014
It's just GOP-lite. And I'm TOTALLY sick of their lying bullsh!t!!!

They can take their "Centrism" and shove it where the sun don't shine.



Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
38. This is the same type of reasoning used by Nader in 2000
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jan 2014

Nader claimed that there were no real difference between the Democratic Party and the GOP. Enough Democrats/liberals bought Nader's bullshit and the result was eight years of Bush. The result of Nader's logic has been: (i) the war in Iraq, (ii) the gutting of the campaign finance laws due to Citizens United, (iii) the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, (iv) the bush tax cuts which led to the 2008 near economic collapse and (v) a host of right wing nut cases on the bench like Janice Brown Rogers and Priscilla Owen.

The Democratic party is not perfect but the only alternative is letting someone like Chris Christie or Scott Walker become the next POTUS.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
46. False. There are alternatives other than GOP and GOP Lite
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jan 2014

And I seem to remember the Supreme Court playing some small role in the outcome of the 2000 election.

Or is that, like a Progressive alternative, something you just feel more comfortable ignoring?

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
47. The SCOTUS action would not have matter if Democratic voters had not listened to Nader's stupidity
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jan 2014

The only way that the SCOTUS could rule in that case was for Nader to divert enough votes to make the election close. The GOP funded Nader because they knew that he was going to siphon votes away from Democrats.

If you want to sit out the 2016 election or vote for a third party candidate rather than vote for Hillary Clinton, then do not complain about having a republican win the White House. Nader's actions caused us to go to war based on lies and the judges on the courts due to Nader are responsible for Citizens United, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and the Texas abortion decision being stayed.

The conservatives on the SCOTUS need one more vote to gut Roe v. Wade. If you want to see this happen, please vote against Hillary Clinton and "GOP Lite" candidates

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
55. I take it by your response that you will be happy to see Roe v. Wade overturned
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jan 2014

Due to Nader's stupidity and arrogance, the SCOTUS overturned the case law on campaign finance with Citizens United and then gutted the Voting Rights Act. Nader convinced sufficient voters that the Democratic Party and the GOP are just alike and as a result the vote in Florida and a couple of other states was close enough for Bush to become POTUS.

If you want to see yet more conservative nutcases on the SCOTUS, please follow the same position as Nader and vote against Hillary Clinton or any other Democrat who does not meet your standards. Republican judges are very different compared to judges selected by a Democrat and I for one would not want to see the damage that would be done if Chris Christie or Scott Walker gets to put judges on the SCOTUS. It would take just one more Alito or Roberts on the Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.

In Texas, we are having to deal with voter id and gerrymandered districts due to the gutting of the voting rights act. One of the judges on the 5th circuit who was nominated by Bush stayed the decision of a lower court judge on the Texas abortion law. I really would hate to see the GOP get the chance to appoint more judges just because some voters believe that the Democratic Party and the GOP are just alike.

I live in the real world and I intend to work like crazy to get Wendy Davis elected governor. Many Texas Democrats are hoping that Hillary Clinton will be campaigning for Wendy Davis and I would be glad to see this happen.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
56. I’m not surprised that you had that reaction
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:17 PM
Jan 2014

for some, there will ALWAYS be a bigger, badder boogie man, and it will NEVER be a practical time to vote for real change. Never...



I'll vote for whatever Dem wins the Primary, but in that Primary, I'll vote for whatever Dem best matches my standard, and not make some oh-so-very-pragmatic excuse for why I traded my vote and responsibility for the warm fuzziness one feels when falling in line behind the corporate/media approved candidate.

Sorry I disturbed your nap.

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
57. The people who claim that the Democratic Party is the same as the GOP are wrong
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jan 2014

2000 was a great example of what happens when people buy Nader's crap that the Democratic Party is the same as the GOP. Losing Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act can be traced back to the voters who bought Nader's crap. If enough voters buy this crap in 2016, we will see Roe v. Wade overturned or limited.

I live in a red state and we need to work like crazy to change the politics of this state for the 2014 election cycle. I have been and will continue to work for Wendy Davis and that will hopefully involve Hillary Clinton coming to Texas to campaign for her. There are a large number of people in the Texas Democratic Party who are pushing hard to get Hillary and Bill Clinton involved and I hope that these efforts are successful. The fact that some dislike Hillary Clinton does not matter to me so long as she helps Wendy Davis.

In addition, I will be holding voter id clinics to help voters get election identification certificates (the free ids that you have to pay between $3 and $22 to get) so that they can vote. If Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act had not been gutted, I could have been doing other things to help change my state or even taking a nap. Unfortunately, a large number of voters bought Nader's position in 2000 that there is no difference between the GOP and the Democratic Party and so I have to do my best to keep people from having their vote stolen. Elections have consequences and I am seeing these consequences up close.

yellowcanine

(35,698 posts)
25. Oh Donkey Dung. There is no equivalency here. Teabaggers are astroturf funded by Koch et al and
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jan 2014

organized by Beck et al. There is no liberal equivalent. Furthermore it is inconceivable that Democrats would put up primary challengers like the spectacular flame out bagger versions on a large scale. Sure there may be a crank here and there who might cause some Democratic heartburn, but they won't be winning primaries and sabotaging otherwise strong candidates. It just is not going to happen.

BobUp

(347 posts)
26. How could you?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014

-1

can't compare teabaggers to Democrats or Progressives, Democrat teabagger? in someone's wet dream.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
30. I'll believe it when I see it.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jan 2014

Either way, it should be an interesting counterpoint to what has been going on at the moment.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Bill DeBlasio owes his mayoralty to both Clintons.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jan 2014

They raised over a million bucks for his campaign. And if the writer of that piece thinks Elizabeth Warren didn't take help from the Clintons in her candidacy he needs to listen to this:




This "meme" of Divide and Conquer sounds like it came straight out of a Koch Think Tank. Only someone who doesn't dig deep and see the relationships would be fooled.

Pushes from the left don't have to be slash-and-burn/"I Hate You" exercises. More flies are caught with honey, after all...
 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
44. Some entities are beyond the pale to acquiesce.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jan 2014

They are a useful tool only in so far as they are able to get money thrown to Democratic politics and politicians with no expectations of return or recompense. No policy demands. Otherwise, we're wiser to leave them in the gutters on our warpath to annihilate their banker and free-trader friends.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
48. I think DeBlasio and Clinton are on the same page.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

That doesn't fit the narrative around here, but that's my take.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
32. Though both sides are vocal,
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jan 2014

this comparison is somewhat questionable. For example, considering how quickly the Occupy Movement fizzled in comparison to the Tea Party movement, there really is no equating the ideologues of the Right with the ideologues of the Left. In the GOP, the moderates are being shunned and driven out of the party. Willard Romney had to drive his agenda almost all the way to Right in 2012 (falling just short of advocating a return to slavery), just to win the primaries. The ideologues clearly have more influence and power in the GOP than those of the Democratic Party. Furthermore, people such as Elizabeth Warren and Bill de Blasio are not adopting the fundamentalist tactics that various politicians on the Right adopt, where if you don't agree with them 100%, you are automatically the enemy. They are able to be pragmatic and work with moderates without completely demolishing the joint, and they don't resort to name-calling and bigoted attacks towards the other side of the aisle.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. OCCUPY is often tossed out there as the "opposite number" of the Tea Party, but I don't think that
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jan 2014

is really true.

The Tea Party is a bunch of flaky, racist assholes who hate black people, brown people, immigrants of any hue, taxes, any kind of gubmint intrusion, and who think that paying for shit like schools, and road repair, and street lights is a damn waste of "their" money. They hate social programs (for everyone but their own worthy selves, of course) and they are afraid that those lib-ruls are gonna grab their guns.

The Occupy people, though, were a mix of idealists who believed in social safety nets and change and all that swell stuff, and Paulbot assholes, and anarchists, and homeless people with no political agenda beyond clean dry socks and "Can I get some of that hot food you're cooking?" While the idealists were busy doing the whole urban camping schtick, pooping in grocery bags, wasting time fighting the police over their right to freeze their asses off on the sidewalk and exasperating the hell out of most people who thought they were using their time poorly, the Paulbots and anarchists were having a field day, creating chaos, raising hell, and making the idealists look like a bunch of ineffectual tools. Had the lefties in the equation stood up, taken charge, gotten over the stupid camping, libraries and kitchen horseshit, given up the twinkle fingers drone of consensus and run the frigging thing like VVAW, they might have gotten something done. Elect leaders, assign spokespeople, don't think that getting a permit to march somehow "infringes" on freedom. That whole bullshit about being "afraid" the leaders would be targeted is bull. Fear killed that movement. If one goes down, you put up another--that's the way to roll, not ask for consensus from a bunch of anarchists or have a bunch of white campers tell a man like John Lewis he's not "qualified" to speak to them. The best demonstrations they had were union-organized and sponsored, down to the signs. That's telling.

If the Occupy lefties just told the Paulbots and anarchists to fuck themselves, to get out, to leave because their views were contrary to the whole concept of safety nets for all, they might have had a movement. Now they have a few tiny little "community actions," here and there, organized by people who should have been elevated to positions as national leaders of the Occupy movement, and they have their memories. Such a waste.

PFunk

(876 posts)
33. And so it begins.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

The centrist dems/DINO's attack on the democratic left that is.

Using fear to try to "push" them back to the center as the last thing they want is to be 'forced' back to following FDR democratic principles instead of big business/corporate ones.

Oh give me a break.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
43. I certainly hope so.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jan 2014

.... I'd rather die all at once than suffer the death-by-a-thousand-cuts the "centrists" have in mind.

 

ProgressSaves

(123 posts)
45. Representing the electorate is not destructive.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:53 PM
Jan 2014

The hardcore Tea Partiers have always been about 20% of the electorate.

Mainstream America is trending more to the left every year.

This is not a movement being forced upon the country by corporate subsidized astroturf, it's a movement spawning from a REAL political shift that started with Occupy.

Warpy

(111,229 posts)
51. How soon? Not soon enough!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:45 PM
Jan 2014

The Old Guard are the mushy middle and Third Way/Wall Street Democrats who consistently sold us out on economic issues. Fuck 'em sideways.

Populist movements of any type are a symptom, not the disease. This is as true of the hard left as it is of the teabaggers. We know we've been fucked over. The hard left just has a slightly better grasp of who and how.

My guess is that they will have at least as much success in Democratic districts as the teabaggers have had.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
59. Really stupid article.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 11:33 PM
Jan 2014

Look as how brainless the last line is. Tea Party candidates are cleaning the clock of the "moderate" republicans. I believe real Democrats would beat hell out of the "sensible" democrats.

 

november3rd

(1,113 posts)
61. Media Madness
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:45 AM
Jan 2014

It's just another attempt by the commercial media to double-down on the consciousness of corporate spin. Apparently, this kind of invented baloney sells. It has demonstrated an ability to draw right wing authoritarian readers' attention, so the ad factories want to serve it up 3 meals a day now.

This will be the preferred spin going into the fall 2014 elections. Keeps the leftists attention in a futile apology of moderate positions, and it keeps the right wing authoritarians' attention by pushing the fear and phony crisis buttons.

Arneoker

(375 posts)
62. There are a few Democratic equivalents to Tea Party radicals, like Cynthia McKinney
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 06:46 AM
Jan 2014

The difference is, quite undiscerned by the likes of the lazy Mr. Obeidallah , is that these Democratic equivalents get voted out of office in primaries, while the Republicans move up as serious candidates for higher office, even the Presidency. DeBlasio and Warren do lean a bit more to the left, but they are by no means the equivalent to the tea party in terms of reckless radicalism or destructive tactics. And has Mr. Obeidallah noticed that those two have recently won electoral victories?

Dionne, unlike Mr. Obeidallah, is someone who is very thoughtful and wrote a great article. Sure, the Democrats could alienate voters if they go too far, but they still have a lot of running room to push progressive causes that can be sold to the public.

As far as those yearning for the "progressive alternative" in third party candidates like that gasbag Ralph Nader, all I can say is have your little fun. For progressives yearning to be effective there is hard work ahead.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
65. Comparing people on our side- any of them- to the Republican Tea Party
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jan 2014

is really questionable IMHO. While there is bound to be (and is) friction between the centrist and progressive wings of the party, I don't see the conflict being quite as self-destructive nor quite as "fringe" as the teabaggers are to the GOP. It seems like we- as Dems/progressives seem to be able to be more pragmatic and we are able to see "the bigger picture" when it comes to working together to win elections and enact policies.

ancianita

(36,016 posts)
66. This more of that "both parties do it" bullshit. It was, is and forever will be bullshit. What
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jan 2014

Warren and other are doing is returing the Democratic Party to its FDR roots.

Arneoker

(375 posts)
71. We Democrats have to be more pragmatic to survive
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 08:12 AM
Jan 2014

Republicans represent the powerful, and the system is stacked in their favor. They have more leeway to be crazy and destructive.

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