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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:41 PM Mar 2014

Grenada, the Crimea, and the GOP.

Last edited Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)

In 1983 a government of disputed legitimacy in Grenada, a small Caribbean nation well within the long acknowledged U.S. sphere of influence, was itself overthrown by a coup amid social turmoil that resulted in some deaths, including that of the then Prime Minister Maurice Bishop. Within days of that outbreak of political and social unrest, the United States of America militarily invaded Grenada. Quoting from Wikipedia here: “U.S. officials cited the murder of Bishop and general political instability in a country near U.S. borders, as well as the presence of U.S. medical students at St. Georges University, as reasons for military action.” While Wikipedia may not always be the final word in authoritative sources, that's pretty much how I remember things going down also. The recently deposed head of the Ukraine government wasn't himself murdered, like Bishop of Grenada was, but he did feel in necessary to flee his nation for reasons that included his personal safety.

There are other unsettling similarities between the U.S. military invasion of Grenada in 1983 and the Russian invasion of Crimea last week. In the year prior to U.S. use of force in Grenada the then U.S. President, Ronald Reagan, had been expressing alarm over developments there. Quoting Wiki again, and again it is consistent with my own recollections of that period; “In March 1983, U.S President Ronald Reagan began issuing warnings about the threat posed to the United States and the Caribbean by the "Soviet-Cuban militarization" of the Caribbean as evidenced by the excessively long airplane runway being built, as well as intelligence sources indicating increased Soviet interest in the island.” In the year preceding the Russian invasion of Crimea the Russian President Vladimir Putin issued warnings about the threat posed to Russian interests by Western meddling in the Ukraine seeking to draw it closer to an alliance with NATO and Western Europe against “traditional ties” with Russia.

Of course there are plenty of differences between the two invasions as well. Arguably what happens inside the Ukraine is much more central to Russian national interests than anything that took place inside Grenada could ever have been to American interests. The Crimea had long been an internationally recognized part of Russia/the Soviet Union before Nikita Khrushchev handed it off to the Ukraine in an inside political maneuver, whereas Grenada has never been under U.S. sovereignty. American interests in Cuba, Chile, and even Nicaragua came far closer to rising to the level of current Russian interests in the Ukraine than anything that precipitated the U.S. invasion of Grenada.

None of this speaks to who is/was right and who is/was wrong, nor to who occupies/occupied the higher moral ground in either of these uses of military force. Power, legality, and morality are not always closely aligned. In both military engagements however the predominant international view holds that the invasions were staged in violation of international agreements. The United Nations General Assembly, for example, condemned the American invasion of Grenada as "a flagrant violation of international law”. It appears that Russia would have a similar problem now in winning the blessing of that world body for its military actions in the Crimea. The United States did not allow unfavorable readings of international law to deter it from invading Grenada, nor have similar views constrained Russian military action over the last week. Wisely or foolishly, each nation used its military outside of its borders but within its self defined geographic sphere of influence to promote its national interests, as determined by those in power at the time.

No doubt the Soviets were livid over the use of America's military within our perceived sphere of influence during the Reagan presidency, but taking direct military action against the U.S. was never a real option for them to utilize in response. There was no international military opposition to the use of force by America in Grenada in 1983, just like there wasn't when we invaded the Dominican Republic under President Johnson in 1965 either. The harsh truth is that there are times and places when military action can be construed as an at least somewhat viable option for one major player operating in an international arena, but not reciprocally for others. The United States and its western allies, unlike Russia, have no direct military options available inside the Ukraine and every Republican in the U.S. Congress of even marginally sound body and mind knows it. Outrage and bluster that the recent Russian use of force in the Crimea was triggered by an America weakened by the policies of our current President, profoundly misconstrues geo-political realities.

At virtually no point during the decades long Cold War were either the United States or the Soviet Union able to directly counter the overt use of military force by its adversary when that adversary was operating within its own geographic sphere of influence, protecting its perceived vital national interests. That goes for both Democratic and Republican Presidents, moderates and hawks alike. Dwight D. Eisenhower, the U.S. Five Star General who defeated Hitler in Europe could not, as President, stop the Soviet Union from invading Hungary any more than the Soviets could prevent us from occupying Santo Domingo. Mutual deterrence, even when it overall succeeds in preserving the larger peace, has a downside as well as an upside. Direct large scale military conflicts between major powers are painstakingly avoided because the costs associated with such warfare, for both sides, are astronomical. For that very same reason, however, regionally confined acts of military intervention by a major military power against a third party nation, one not closely allied with an opposing major military power anyway, are seldom countered militarily by adversarial outside forces.

The last time that happened was during the Korean War when the United States directly confronted the military of Communist China. The human costs associated with that conflict were staggering. Between 1950 and 1953 there were 33,686 direct U.S. combat deaths in Korea far outstripping total American casualties from Afghanistan and Iraq combined. Especially after our Viet Nam experience where even more American troops died over a longer period of time, there is little public tolerance for seeing such sustained bloodshed revisited. Very few threats to our national interests rise to a level where the American people would support entering into a war that could result in hundreds of thousands of American casualties. Not only do most Republicans in Congress know that to be true, but with just a few note worthy exceptions the Republican leadership and Republican rank and file members in both houses of Congress were conspicuously gun shy when it appeared they have the opportunity to vote for authorizing missile strikes against Russian client state Syria, after Syria was accused of war crimes for using poison gas against its own civilian population. That would only have entailed a limited air attack on a Russian client state, not a direct engagement with Russian forces, and no American ground troops would have been involved. Still most Republicans in Congress had no stomach for signing their names to any legislation calling for direct military action against Syria, let alone directly confronting the Russian regime that is instrumental in keeping Assad in power in Damascus.

So many Republicans love bluster and routinely confuse it with strength, while reflexively scorning a broad range of diplomatic initiatives as only singling weakness, but they too read polls. The American public by overwhelming numbers wanted no part of any military strikes against Syria when that option was seriously being looked at. All indications are that the majority of Republicans in Congress would have voted to deny our President the authority to militarily punish Syria for its deadly and illegal transgressions. Yet they still persisted in calling the President weak.

How can military aggression by Russia against a regional neighbor be prevented or countered by the U.S. if direct use of the American military in such a conflict is realistically off the table? One option is set up and sponsor proxy forces to exert counter military pressure in support of our security objectives. The United States went that route in Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion there. But proxy forces can be notoriously unreliable and ineffective, often accomplishing little at the cost of dangerously strained relations with the powerful aggressor state that we seek to counter. And the standing up of proxy forces can come with unanticipated negative consequences, such as the rise of Osama Bin Laden as a credible jihadist leader who morphed into our mortal enemy. Not to mention that Afghanistan was plunged into a decades long civil war that left that nation in shambles from which it has yet to recover. The U.S. belatedly came to recognize the actual cost of that chaos in Afghanistan, but initially disruptions inside that supposedly inconsequential nation were thought to have only minimal and manageable effects on American concerns, since aside from Cold War politics, the U.S. had little vital interest in Afghanistan. The Ukraine, sitting near the heart of Eastern Europe in close proximity to NATO nations, with growing economic ties to Western Europe, is on its face a very different matter. Armed conflict inside a nation like the Ukraine could not as easily be ignored or contained as it seemingly long was within Afghanistan.

Treaties and alliances are a traditional deterrent to military aggression and that is how NATO came to be. It's mutual defense clause guarantees that all member nations will come to the defense of any one of its members should that country be attacked. That explains why former Eastern Europe Soviet satellite states such as Poland, and reluctant Eastern Europe member states of the Soviet Union itself such as Latvia, were so eager to fall under the NATO umbrella as protection against possible Russian expansionism . But a military alliance in a multipolar world where no one side is all powerful is in essence a type of doomsday machine. It promises horrific violence for all concerned if an aggressor triggers it's mutual defense provisions. That functions well to deter violence if the threat of mass retaliation is suitably respected. But doomsday in a nonpartisan event. Both sides suffer grievously in any all out war. Defense pacts set up trip wires; cross that line and all hell breaks loose.

But trip wires have much in common with mine fields. The more mines that are buried over greater and greater amounts of territory, and the more trip wires that get strewn across expanding geo-political landscapes, the more likely it becomes that one will be intentionally or perhaps inadvertently be tested if events should ever spin out of control, as they sometimes are want to do. Will that doomsday machine actually be triggered or is it really just a bluff? At what point does the steady encroachment of new mine fields ever closer to your home become more threatening than confronting the mines previously put in place? Some make the case that were the Ukraine a part of NATO Russia would never have invaded it. A case can also be made that had NATO not kept advancing closer and closer to Russia's borders that Russia would have been less motivated to take a stand and cross a line into the Crimea. Military Alliances are powerful potential tools for peace but they too can bring with them potential unintended consequences of a very serious nature. They too present inherent risks.

The Russians long viewed Eastern Europe as a buffer zone protecting it from aggression from the West. In recent years they have seen carefully cultivated and frequently imposed buffer shrink. That can be unnerving to leaders with a strong nationalist streak and a sightly paranoid bent. For generations the United States proclaimed the Monroe Doctrine, defining the Western Hemisphere as our special domain. One could say that U.S. leaders became a bit unhinged when Fidel Castro proclaimed Cuba to be a Marxist state. We narrowly avoided a nuclear cataclysm and assured mutual destruction over Cuba before all was said and done.

What options are left then, if a direct military response to Russian military moves against one of its neighboring states is ruled out, when a proxy war is ill advised, and when expanding a military alliance becomes dangerously uncertain as to whether it would succeed at keeping the peace or instead tempt an even greater disaster? In the Ukraine of course that latter option is officially moot, at least for the immediate future. The Ukraine is not a NATO member and Russian troops are already on the ground there. So, when both sides wield big sticks and it appears each would get maimed if they were simultaneously swung, what other incentives exist that could ultimately influence the behavior of an adversary in a positive rather than negative direction? We all know that alternative well. We call it Carrots. But Carrots, Republicans say, are a reward, and you should never reward bad behavior. There is an alternative to either punishing with sticks or rewarding with carrots however, and that is to withdraw some carrots previously put in place. Of course that requires a degree of planning and general foresight, to get those carrots in their place to begin with, but at this point in human history it should be apparent that a prolonged peace is never achieved easily. It always takes effort and planning, and it takes sustained relationship building in many simultaneous spheres of endeavor for extended periods of time.

There is a word for the policy of doing exactly that, and that word in engagement. It isn't a new concept nor is it particularly ideological at its core. It's what Nixon did with China. It involves weaving a web of subtle interdependency in ways both large and small. It means transforming the status quo so that formerly entrenched adversaries begin to have more to lose than gain by allowing remaining flash points that exist between them to escalate rather than dissipate. There are bumps on any road, some more severe than others. And those become the times when existing carrots embedded in a relationship are at least temporarily withdrawn instead of offering new ones. At some point in an interdependent relationship the loss of some hard earned and long counted on carrots carries a sting as sure as a blow from a stick, without directly risking an escalation of violence.

Yes Putin wants Russia to again be a great nation, but he wants Russia to be great within a community of nations, standing proudly alongside great peers, not for it to now be isolated as some type of brooding and troubled pariah. Like China, Russia sees a need to integrate its economy ever more closely with the rest of the world to remain relevant and prosper over the coming century. A stick is a very blunt tool to wield, limited in its useful applications as I've discussed above relative to our current options regarding the Russian invasion of the Crimea. It is the strings of an international social and economic order that Russia benefits from participating in that most forcibly constrain Russia's military actions now. It is the past fruit of long pursued bi-partisan efforts consistent with the Obama Administrations recent efforts to “reset our relationship with Russia” that are providing us with whatever leverage the G8 nations now hold over Putin's next actions now. It is the carrots we now can threaten to withdraw, only because we had the foresight to have tendered them earlier under less tense circumstances, that provides us with any influence as events in the Ukraine continue to evolve. And hollow bluster has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Obama isn't weak, he's right. This is a serious episode flaring up in the middle of a continuing long term game plan. The overall strategy remains correct. Embracing a new Cold War, in so many ways, would be a mistake of epic proportions. That truly should be the last resort.

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Grenada, the Crimea, and the GOP. (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 OP
Yours? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #1
Yes. Spent much of the day writing it. n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #2
Well done. bemildred Mar 2014 #3
Thank you, much appreciated n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #4
Excellent Analysis Tom. 2banon Mar 2014 #5
Using Wiki again here because it is quick and easy, but accurate too in this case I believe... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #7
Fascinating. It's completely logical.. 2banon Mar 2014 #9
Tom, this piece needs to be published under General Discussion 2banon Mar 2014 #6
Yes I can do that, and I will. I put it here first because given how long it is... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #8
Should be published elsewhere.. WaPo,, NYT Rolling Stone, Huff Post Daily Kos, Nation etc. 2banon Mar 2014 #10
Thanks. It's up at Kos also. n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #11
cool! 2banon Mar 2014 #12
Great analysis and writing. I wish I could rec this a hundred times. Catherina Mar 2014 #13
Thank you Catherina... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #14
And a crying shame that is Catherina Mar 2014 #15
Thanks, I just added it to PMRG as you suggested... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #16
OK, I'll do it. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #17
I'm so glad you reposted it there. Catherina Mar 2014 #18
I think it is too long according to their submission guidelines Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #19
You're right, 2,655 words Catherina Mar 2014 #20
Recommend, and very smart. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #21
Great piece, Tom. Please, please post in GD. cali Mar 2014 #22
Thanks Cali, it was on GD also (see posts 6 & 8) but it sank fast trhere... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2014 #23
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
5. Excellent Analysis Tom.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:30 PM
Mar 2014

You have encapsulated the history as it relates to current events so well, so many well articulated points. :hittip: :thumbup:


There are other unsettling similarities between the U.S. military invasion of Grenada in 1983 and the Russian invasion of Crimea last week. In the year prior to U.S. use of force in Grenada the then U.S. President, Ronald Reagan, had been expressing alarm over developments there. Quoting Wiki again, and again it is consistent with my own recollections of that period; “In March 1983, U.S President Ronald Reagan began issuing warnings about the threat posed to the United States and the Caribbean by the "Soviet-Cuban militarization" of the Caribbean as evidenced by the excessively long airplane runway being built, as well as intelligence sources indicating increased Soviet interest in the island.” In the year preceding the Russian invasion of Crimea the Russian President Vladimir Putin issued warnings about the threat posed to Russian interests by Western meddling in the Ukraine seeking to draw it closer to an alliance with NATO and Western Europe against “traditional ties” with Russia.


This particular fact is one important salient point that most of us need to give much more attention to.. My understanding of the entire business of NATO membership/alliances has been rather vague wrt to Eastern Europe post Cold War. I was personally unaware that NATO was encroaching in Russia's sphere. Was this widely reported in recent years? If so, my bad. I missed them all. I dare say, I'm not alone.

Brings to mind another point. If memory serves sometime last year I think it was.. I remember a story that Poland was establishing a Nuclear weapons program or wanted to... (needs fact checking) If that has occurred, I can imagine how much more Putin would be freaked out ... I'd be somewhat paranoid too.

Again, excellent piece, thanks for contributing!




Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
7. Using Wiki again here because it is quick and easy, but accurate too in this case I believe...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:41 PM
Mar 2014

"In 1999, Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic joined the organization, amid much debate within the organization and Russian opposition.[1][2] Another expansion came with the accession of seven Central and Eastern European countries: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania. These nations were first invited to start talks of membership during the 2002 Prague summit, and joined NATO on 29 March 2004, shortly before the 2004 Istanbul summit. Most recently, Albania and Croatia joined on 1 April 2009, shortly before the 2009 Strasbourg–Kehl summit.

Future expansion is currently a topic of debate in many countries. Cyprus and Macedonia are stalled from accession by, respectively, Turkey and Greece, pending the resolution of disputes between them. Other countries which have a stated goal of eventually joining include Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, and Georgia. The incorporation of former Warsaw Pact countries has been a cause of increased tension between NATO countries and Russia. Mikhail Gorbachev reportedly agreed to allow German reunification within NATO after being promised that NATO would not expand "one inch to the east."[3]"

Continuing Regarding the Ukraine:


"Ukraine's relationship with NATO is governed by the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan, adopted on 22 November 2002.[27][25] In April 2005, Ukraine entered into Intensified Dialogue with NATO.[15]

At the beginning of 2008, the Ukrainian President, Prime Minister and head of parliament sent an official letter to apply for the Membership Action Plan. The idea of Ukrainian membership in NATO had gained support from a number of NATO leaders.[110] At the 2008 Bucharest summit, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer declared in a press conference that Georgia and Ukraine will join NATO. Within the NATO-Ukraine working commission, NATO officials reassured Ukraine officials that they are willing to invite their country to join the Alliance. The Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia, Alexander Grushko, announced that NATO membership for Ukraine was not in Russia's best interests and wouldn't help the relations of the two countries.[111"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_expansion

Subsequently the recently deposed President of the Ukraine who turned down ties with the EU also opposed joining NATO - but he now has been ousted.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
9. Fascinating. It's completely logical..
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:48 PM
Mar 2014

Why wouldn't any Western Leader grasp the importance of this matter and take appropriate measures long before problems would logically arise? It isn't as if Russia made a secret of their concerns. Just mind boggling.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
6. Tom, this piece needs to be published under General Discussion
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

it's too important to be missed! I don't know if you can do that..

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
8. Yes I can do that, and I will. I put it here first because given how long it is...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:44 PM
Mar 2014

...I was afraid it would end up sinking without being seen by hardly anyone there once people opened it and their eyes began to blur. so check in there later if you will to see if it gets traction or if it needs a bump...

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
10. Should be published elsewhere.. WaPo,, NYT Rolling Stone, Huff Post Daily Kos, Nation etc.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:50 PM
Mar 2014

far and wide..

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. Great analysis and writing. I wish I could rec this a hundred times.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:37 AM
Mar 2014

Off to the greatest page with this. Well done Tom Rinaldo!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. And a crying shame that is
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:44 PM
Mar 2014

I've noticed a lot of people here don't even read posted excerpts, much less the full articles. This is a shame and it makes for a badly informed public willing to go with the best soundbites. I'm afraid your article is too nuanced and reasonable. I hope it gets more exposure.

May I recommend that you post this in the Progressive Media Resources Group too? This is such an excellent article and belongs there- in Good Reads too frankly.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
16. Thanks, I just added it to PMRG as you suggested...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:46 PM
Mar 2014

I can't bring myself to post it to Good Reads myself however. I think that should be left as a judgment to me made by a third party, not the author him/herself. I am not asking you to post it there but anyone has my permission to do so if they feel so moved. The version I just posted in the Progressive Media Resources Group has less typos etc, in it than this version above. It is now up at 3 DU locations (here, GD where it pretty much already sank, and now PMRG) so maybe more would be overkill anyway.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
18. I'm so glad you reposted it there.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:07 PM
Mar 2014

Good Reads moves more slowly and has a different audience that seems more disposed to reading long pieces so, with your permission, can I repost it there in a few days? I know how awkward it would feel to post your own piece there lol but I'd really like to. It's that good. ((On edit, I see Bemildred beat me to it, that's what happens when you leave a window open and disappear before hitting post!))

I think the readers at Common Dreams would be very interested to read it too and make intelligent comments http://www.commondreams.org/writers-guidelines

It's really a fine piece and shows you have a real understanding of the situation.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
19. I think it is too long according to their submission guidelines
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:38 PM
Mar 2014

They request submissions of 1000 words or less. PM me if you know from your experience with that site whether they are sometimes willing to bend that rule significantly.

I really appreciate all of the encouragement and help getting this piece more widely seen that you and others on this thread have given me.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
20. You're right, 2,655 words
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:53 PM
Mar 2014

I don't know about submitting anything to Common Dreams (or anyone else for that matter) but their limit's a problem. How about the Nation? They have a more generous limit and will even pay you if they publish. Your piece should be mandatory reading for anyone interested in this, especially if they plan to comment.

http://www.thenation.com/submission-guidelines

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
23. Thanks Cali, it was on GD also (see posts 6 & 8) but it sank fast trhere...
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 04:17 PM
Mar 2014

That's one advantage of the Politics 2014 forum, because it is less read things don't vanish as quickly here. I use it more lately when I am posting a long OP. I'll go see if it is too late to kick the version at GD.

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