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applegrove

(118,501 posts)
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:30 PM May 2012

James Carville says democrats are too optimistic about Obama winning this season. That we need to

be more aggressive. I agree. The GOP always, always makes sure their base are fighting mad by election day. And it works. When you are fighting mad you are ready to fight for more territory. So you go out and make others around you mad. And then you all go vote. Really, the GOP base has no reason to be mad. The Democrats do. The GOP messed with governance for 4 years. We need to own this election. We need to be fighting mad (all fired up) and ready to go.

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James Carville says democrats are too optimistic about Obama winning this season. That we need to (Original Post) applegrove May 2012 OP
Is this that Louisiana loon that is married to some extreme Lionessa May 2012 #1
In this case I think he is right.. pangaia May 2012 #7
I have been watching the comments on the Yahoo story adigal May 2012 #2
You do realize that their are people that get recruited to post on websites like Yahoo? Ikonoklast May 2012 #19
Well, they shouldn't be linking their Facebook pages and names adigal May 2012 #20
Who is too optimistic? Us, or Obama? Xipe Totec May 2012 #3
Fraudulent 'vote fraud' is what worries me. elleng May 2012 #4
I agree too Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #5
Carville, you lost me in 2006... liberalmuse May 2012 #6
He's right. I've talked to some people Thrill May 2012 #8
Wasn't he one of the ones who tried to get us mad at Obama? treestar May 2012 #9
Mr. Matilyn can go STFU. Odin2005 May 2012 #10
You can be optimistic and aggressive...they're not exclusive feelings... Drunken Irishman May 2012 #11
+100 applegrove May 2012 #12
I think Carville is just trying to get people, i.e. DEMS, to the polls. bigwillq May 2012 #13
I do not like him but I agree with him on this pt. lunasun May 2012 #14
I agree. Same old MO here. Whenever anyone makes a point you can always count on Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #15
The people against Obama are EXTREMELY against Obama. Kablooie May 2012 #16
Why Is He Still Relevant otohara May 2012 #17
Broken clock, right twice a day. mac56 May 2012 #18
Carville is RIGHT. We DO need to be more aggressive. Bake May 2012 #21
 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
1. Is this that Louisiana loon that is married to some extreme
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:33 PM
May 2012

winger? He lost credibility years ago in my book.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
2. I have been watching the comments on the Yahoo story
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:34 PM
May 2012

today about why it may not look good for Obama in November - the comments are overwhelmingly nasty, racist and Republican. It makes me very worried - I have not ever seen such stupidity in our country.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
19. You do realize that their are people that get recruited to post on websites like Yahoo?
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:41 PM
May 2012

They actually think that they are changing the narrative.

Stupid powerless people writing ignorant screeds are to be ridiculed.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
20. Well, they shouldn't be linking their Facebook pages and names
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:42 PM
May 2012

with their horrible posts. They should be ashamed of what they are saying.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
5. I agree too
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:45 PM
May 2012

we need to fight hard at all levels to elect Democrats and other progressives and de-toxify our country from the past 2-4 years.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
8. He's right. I've talked to some people
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:07 PM
May 2012

who feel no one could possibly want Mittens. But they underestimate how much people hate Obama based on skin color alone

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
11. You can be optimistic and aggressive...they're not exclusive feelings...
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:00 PM
May 2012

I think some people try to compensate for that optimism by being extremely negative - suggesting it's going to be really hard for Obama to win or that it'll be stolen. For one extreme, there's another and the other extreme is just as damning - Democrats who become so dispirited with the narrative that he can't win (and I see it here a lot, which is sad), they give up.

So, be optimistic. Feel Obama will win this thing - but be aggressive as well. We want people to think he'll win it. It's a good narrative to have MOST Americans believe your guy is going to win. It helps cut down on the potential of fraud, since it's more difficult to steal, and more people are likely to work their butts off if they can taste victory in the air - while the other side will find itself in the difficult position of conceding defeat.

It's why, in '08, McCain could never gain traction. Democrats knew, by October, that Obama was going to win comfortably, but it didn't change the direction of the fight - or make people more passive. What it did, though, is force Republicans to realize their guy wasn't going to win and that did have an impact because, let's be honest, a lot of people don't want to vote for a loser. They like winners. If they think Romney is going to lose in November, they're going to be less likely to go to the polls and vote and if they do vote, vote for him.

So, be optimistic, but aggressive at the same time.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
13. I think Carville is just trying to get people, i.e. DEMS, to the polls.
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:27 PM
May 2012

If folks feel Obama has this in the bag, some might stay home.

So, yes, I guess I agree with Carville and applegrove.

edit: I don't know why some folks are trashing Carville here. I guess they can't get over some things.
I think he has a point.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. I agree. Same old MO here. Whenever anyone makes a point you can always count on
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:54 AM
May 2012

at least 25-50% of the responses attacking the "messenger." Just like anyone trying to
post a poll that has any hint of negativity for our side...half the responses will be
that the pollster's crazy or a repuke.

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)
16. The people against Obama are EXTREMELY against Obama.
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:03 PM
May 2012

There is such a violent upsurge against him in parts of the country that it may be more difficult than many think.
I get the impression that an Obama win may even create violence in some places.

It's irrationally insane but that's what almost half of the US is right now.

mac56

(17,565 posts)
18. Broken clock, right twice a day.
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:48 PM
May 2012

Blind squirrel, sometimes finds an acorn.

James Carville, occasionally hitting the mark.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
21. Carville is RIGHT. We DO need to be more aggressive.
Wed May 9, 2012, 04:45 PM
May 2012

And GOTV with a vengeance! Complacency will cost us the election. Blood, sweat and tears will win it for us.

Bake

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