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How many people have been killed in your name today? (Original Post) tecelote Sep 2014 OP
Collective guilt. I never buy into it. upaloopa Sep 2014 #1
pretty much nt msongs Sep 2014 #2
That's the answer. tecelote Sep 2014 #3
Just curious, do you 'buy into' collective empowerment? toby jo Sep 2014 #9
I shy away from collective anything. upaloopa Sep 2014 #10
Me neither. Logic for simpletons. LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #12
Far fewer than those have been killed because of inactivity in my name. Igel Sep 2014 #4
Really? tecelote Sep 2014 #5
Your reasoning is specious. Maedhros Sep 2014 #6
Far too many are killed by police, I know that. CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #7
Shh! It's a secret! Iggo Sep 2014 #8
If everybody november3rd Sep 2014 #11

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. I shy away from collective anything.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:15 PM
Sep 2014

Individuals with common goals can work together toward them but collectivism seems coercive to me.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
4. Far fewer than those have been killed because of inactivity in my name.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:00 PM
Sep 2014

If you're into trying to find reasons to be guilty, why stop at guilt for "sins" of commission that others do?

How about all those who do nothing because those who represent me opt to let people die or be hurt through sins of omission?

Is it really that much worse to sit back and watch a murder while preaching compassion and caring than to kill somebody while preaching compassion and caring? How about watching 20 in the name of peace than 1 in the name of security?

No shortage of reasons for assuming the sins of others and wanting to exculpate them. (If that's what this is. It strikes me more as wanting to control others because they have different goals and you don't trust their motives.)

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
5. Really?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:05 PM
Sep 2014

So many more die in our country from so many other reasons than terrorism.

Your priorities are screwed up.

We should be above killing people. You are the reason we are not.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. Your reasoning is specious.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

Six weeks of bombing hasn't budged ISIS in Iraq: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/world/middleeast/isis-iraq-airstrikes.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMedia&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

BAGHDAD — After six weeks of American airstrikes, the Iraqi government’s forces have scarcely budged the Sunni extremists of the Islamic State from their hold on more than a quarter of the country, in part because many critical Sunni tribes remain on the sidelines.

Although the airstrikes appear to have stopped the extremists’ march toward Baghdad, the Islamic State is still dealing humiliating blows to the Iraqi Army. On Monday, the government acknowledged that it had lost control of the small town of Sichar and lost contact with several hundred of its soldiers who had been besieged for nearly a week at a camp north of the Islamic State stronghold of Falluja, in Anbar Province.

By midday, there were reports that hundreds of soldiers had been killed there in battle or mass executions. Ali Bedairi, a lawmaker from the governing alliance, said more than 300 soldiers had died after the loss of the base, Camp Saqlawiya. The prime minister ordered the arrest of the responsible officers, although a military spokesman put the death toll at just 40 and said 68 were missing.


...but it HAS caused ISIS recruitment to soar: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.616730

The Islamic State jihadist organization has recruited more than 6,000 new fighters since America began targeting the group with air strikes last month, according to the U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

At least 1,300 of the new recruits are said to be foreigners, who have joined IS from outside the swathes of Syria and Iraq that it controls.

The United States has launched some 165 air strikes on IS targets since early August. Other strikes have been carried out by the U.K and France, the latest a French attack on a logistics depot in Iraq on Friday.

A number of rebel commanders who oppose IS while continuing to fight the regime of Syrian president Bashar Assad have warned that the strikes are increasing local support for the jihadists.


So...we're not curtailing ISIL and instead are helping to swell their ranks. BRILLIANT.

Your post is warmongering tripe.

/ignore list.
 

november3rd

(1,113 posts)
11. If everybody
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:54 PM
Sep 2014

If everybody else wasn't here, I wouldn't be here either.

If everybody else wasn't consenting to these murders, I wouldn't be either.

The space between me and my neighbors is mostly imaginary.

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