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Mason-Dixon poll: Romney up 3% nationally (Original Post) Marzupialis May 2012 OP
EV is all that matters Amster Dan May 2012 #1
National polls are pretty meaningless right now mvd May 2012 #2
eventually the state polls dennis4868 May 2012 #5
why do state polls lag behind? is it just because they are done less Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #10
exactly.... dennis4868 May 2012 #13
But national polls indicate fluctuation in state polls Marzupialis May 2012 #6
The Wisconsin poll skewed conservative mvd May 2012 #7
As was reiterated on NPR this morning, these national polls are all over the place. But the EV map, Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #3
Yes RZM May 2012 #16
Mitt Romney's path is "very narrow" fishwax May 2012 #17
what is wrong with Democrats? Don't they understand what a GOP congress with WI_DEM May 2012 #4
Here is the problem StitchesforSnitches May 2012 #8
polls this far out are meaningless .. littlewolf May 2012 #9
Isn't this what people always say when they are behind? doesn't matter now. I do it Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #11
Except ... fugop May 2012 #12
Your last sentence -- Freudian Slip :>) Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #14
I always wondered if Dan May 2012 #15
If I recall correctly Omniscientone May 2012 #18

mvd

(65,169 posts)
2. National polls are pretty meaningless right now
Fri May 18, 2012, 01:29 PM
May 2012

I pay more attention to the state polls, where President Obama is doing well. Don't overestimate this electorate, though. The race will be a battle. If we lose, I give up on this country.

dennis4868

(9,774 posts)
5. eventually the state polls
Fri May 18, 2012, 03:49 PM
May 2012

lag behind the national polls. Eventually the state polls catch up to the national polls.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. why do state polls lag behind? is it just because they are done less
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:40 AM
May 2012

frequently. State and National can not logically differ so much forever. He can't be ahead in
all these places and be behind Romney nationally, right.

 

Marzupialis

(398 posts)
6. But national polls indicate fluctuation in state polls
Fri May 18, 2012, 04:56 PM
May 2012

If a candidate's margin over his opponent decreases, for example, doesn't it follow that he must be slipping in the states, too? After all, the nation is a group of states. Look at wisconsin, for example. another DU thread has Obama and Romney tied. This may be a reflection of the national situation.

mvd

(65,169 posts)
7. The Wisconsin poll skewed conservative
Fri May 18, 2012, 08:28 PM
May 2012

The polls fluctuate this far out, and things are close enough to not change statewide. I think when we get nearer to the election, after the conventions, there will be more correlation. Unless one candidate opens a big lead.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
3. As was reiterated on NPR this morning, these national polls are all over the place. But the EV map,
Fri May 18, 2012, 02:42 PM
May 2012

has & continues to be strongly in favor of the president. They discussed that while there are several paths to victory for the president, Mitt Romney's path is "very narrow". If the popular vote won elections, all the president would have to do is run up the numbers in the densely populated blue states, and the rest would just be gravy. It's the electoral math that really matters.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
16. Yes
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:25 PM
May 2012

Mitt has to take back North Carolina, Indiana, and Virginia to even start thinking about being in the game (I believe he will win two of those and possibly all three). But then he has to get Ohio and Florida as well - and those are pretty tall orders. And even then, he's still not there. He then needs either Nevada, Iowa, or Colorado. I'd say the only one he has a shot at is Colorado and it's not likely he'll win it.

The deck is very much stacked in favor of the president. It's not in the bag, but he has a major advantage.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
17. Mitt Romney's path is "very narrow"
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:02 AM
May 2012

Indeed -- he has to win swing states and defend swing states, while Obama will have a lot more flexibility in terms of how and where he spends his money come crunch time. Can't get complacent, of course, but I'm confident even when the national polls seem a bit haywire.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
4. what is wrong with Democrats? Don't they understand what a GOP congress with
Fri May 18, 2012, 02:56 PM
May 2012

a GOP president will mean? They have got to begin to take this election seriously.

 
8. Here is the problem
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:08 AM
May 2012

Most people are not paying attention nor do they really understand what is going on in DC.

Even here on a political discussion board many people here do not really know how things work in DC either.

Let me put it to you this way …with the constant RW Propaganda 24/7 on radio and TV, the average low intelligence voter in America will be easily convinced to vote against their own self-interests and they will vote for Mitt.

Propaganda works it is working in WI, Walker may very well win in June and that will be a total disaster for America, the Walker way will become the new GOP model on how to govern once that happens, voting for change will become totally moot in America.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
9. polls this far out are meaningless ..
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:38 AM
May 2012

Sept. and Oct. will matter ...

the only one that really matters happens on Nov 6 ....

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Isn't this what people always say when they are behind? doesn't matter now. I do it
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:52 AM
May 2012

myself.

But, there is no way you can say it isn't better, whenever you are taking a poll, when
you are ahead?

I think if Romney gets ahead by more than he is today, nationally, it will give him
more credibility and the look more like a true contender. Being ahead makes
you "look like" a real possibility and adds momentum. Say, if Ron Paul had
actually won some primaries..people would look at him differently

fugop

(1,828 posts)
12. Except ...
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:35 PM
May 2012

...every poll is different. I've rarely seen when all the polls go to one candidate or the other (because, as others have noted, HORSERACE! MEDIA NEEDS A HORSERACE!).

And every poll is a different set of voters. And every poll uses different screens. So yea, I guess it might be nice if Obama were way out ahead in everything, but then again, that causes a whole lot of "Oh, he's got this won. If I make other plans on election day, it won't matter." It's better to see the polls fluctuate.

But I agree with others who say it's the electoral votes that matter. If a sample is unusually large in the South, for example, we know Obama will be behind. If it's overweighted to city areas, Obama's probably going to lead. Every poll is different. So que sera sera. But these little piddly polls going back and forth from day to day really mean nothing in May. They really do.

Dan

(3,541 posts)
15. I always wondered if
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:16 PM
May 2012

prior to the Civil War, there was a poll which indicated that the South was going to win...

Omniscientone

(12 posts)
18. If I recall correctly
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:27 AM
May 2012

didn't the polls around this time in '92 show Perot winning? So yea don't matter as much this far out I don't think.

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