2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDemocratic Senator Won't Stand for Obstruction in the Senate by
Democrats
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joe-manchin-block-gop-agenda-bs
snip:
Manchin: I Won't Put Up With 'Bulls**t' If Dems Try To Obstruct GOP
Excuse me while I do my morning stretch and retch.
djean111
(14,255 posts)All we are doing is hastening the rout of liberals from the New Democratic Party. Which is the object, I think.
When someone can say "the liberal wing of the Democratic Party", seems obvious.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm not sure why DU has such trouble grasping that.
avebury
(10,952 posts)to "grow a pair" within the next two years I see no reason to come out and vote in 2016. If I had an Al Franken, Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders I would be out there to vote but I am at the point where I refuse to vote for DINOs anymore. I am ready for a new, more progressive party and that is just not the Democratic Party.
vote for the courts...no matter how liberal the party becomes if we have conservatives on the court for the next thirty years it won't matter.
avebury
(10,952 posts)there is no chance of getting more progressive liberals on the bench. We have already seen that.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)Just the Senate, and it is NOT that far out of reach. I will predict 2 years of do nothing but attempt to undermine ACA and cut social security and medicare, and the country will not stand for it. Democrats will learn over this and the Senate and Whitehouse will be Democratic controlled in 2016.
avebury
(10,952 posts)appointments that he has wanted to so having a Democrat in the WH does not guarantee that we can get Progressives on the bench.
The big problem is that the Democrats continue to roll over for the Republicans in Congress. Until that stops, Republicans and Tea Party hacks will continue to run everything either directly or by obstruction. I just don't see the Democrats growing a spine and standing up to the school yard bullies.
CityDem
(1,103 posts)Reid changed the senate rules and caught a ton of flack for changing the filibuster rules for judicial confirmations. We were able to place several judges on the DC Court of Appeals that would not have happened if the filibuster rules remained the same. Now that the repubs are in charge, the approval of judges will screech to a halt and only the most conservative judges will be approved. Dems did the best they could under the circumstances.
Arneoker
(375 posts)What news! Guess what, there are many non-indulgent who get no warm fuzzies in voting for less than great Democrats, but they do so because it makes a difference regardless. Don't like that? Poor you! Really don't like that? Then get off your butt and get involved! Check out your local Democratic committee and see what you can do to promote people who are more progressive and who can win elections! (Because winning elections is what you need to do to, you know, actually have an effect on things, as opposed to getting that precious warm fuzzy.)
Or just indulge yourself, vote for some dumb third party, and be useless.
enough
(13,256 posts)belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)With Democrats like this - who needs Republicans?
EEO
(1,620 posts)People like this asshole run as Democrats and are moderate Republicans.
Oh, and Democrats are pussies. They work with these asshole Republicans when the GOP tells the Dems to go fuck themselves whenever the GOP is the minority party. Pathetic.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)the repealing of Obama's health care bill? If so our nation would return to having
47,000 unnecessary deaths per year of Americans, because they couldn't afford
medical treatment. This is indirect murder -- but it's murder, nonetheless. Would
these senators, do this just for the sake of "getting something done?"
I doubt it. It's too horrible to contemplate. But I can also hardly expect that
the Conservatives would now turn around and start to legislate for the benefit of all
the American people. Don't expect psychopaths to change. They can't, and won't.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)And Ron Reagan, the son of the Republican president, is a Progressive!
smorkingapple
(827 posts)We should play their game but we're better than that.
It burns me too but obstructing just to show that government doesn't work is their game not ours.
ImaPolitico
(150 posts)Sorry, but I am new here. Just learning the ropes.
It's about time, Dems start sticking up for the president!
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/11/12/dems-warn-gop-against-threatening-obama-on-immigration?int=995508
kairos12
(12,857 posts)libman100
(13 posts)When he run again he better not be shocked if Dem voters don't come out and support him.
CityDem
(1,103 posts)Dems in West Virginia are about to be extinct. It will be like trying to capture a senate seat in Idaho or Wyoming -- no chance.