With Elizabeth Warren, the Dem. Party can be in for a serious change - for real, this time:

[Cal33]

This is what the vast majority of Democrats really want. We've been waiting so long
that it seemed to be forever. And now suddenly, here is Elizabeth! She definitely is
our best hope! I think this is why her popularity went up as rapidly and fast as a
shooting star.

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/12/elizabeth_warren_goes_to_war_why_the_democratic_party_could_seriously_change_for_real_this_time/?source=newsletter

[Ink Man]

1. You guys are

putting all your eggs in one basket. I wish you luck.

[Cal33]

2. She has already started to change our Party, and it looks like she is going to do it -

BIG TIME! Many Dems. have been sleeping. Look at the excitement she is creating. She
has begun to wake up people - and wake them up BIG TIME.

I just saw her on TV saying, "It's time for us Democrats to stand up and fight!!!" (This has
reference to the House having passed the spending bill which, among other things, would
allow the Republicans to spend much more money for political purposes). She was urging
her fellow Democratic senators to "stand up and fight!!"

I doubt it that this bill would pass in the Senate. Those Dem. senators who might be thinking
of giving in, would feel too ashamed -- now that Elizabeth has brought up this point.

Yes, it's time to stand up and fight!!

(And a hearty welcome to DU).

[Cal33]

3. It seems to me that before Elizabeth came along, I couldn't even detect the presence of any basket

to put any egg in. Now, because of her, I hope there may soon be many baskets and many eggs.
I give her full credit -- the right person to come along, at a most critical time!!

[elzenmahn]

4. Agreed, but let's remember...

...she's only as effective as the political backstop supporting her and progressives like her.

I'll say this again and again - in order to give TRUE PROGRESSIVES like Elizabeth Warren any reasonable shot at the Presidency, we'll need to re-establish Progressives on the state and local levels - even school boards and seemingly "small" offices. Hey, the Repubs knew that - and look where they're at.

BTW - I say "Progressives" selectively - because I don't care how anyone slices or dices it, there is no FREAKING way that the Third Wayers can be called "Progressive". Not in their own way, not by a long shot.

[Cal33]

10. Right on! To me, Third Way People are slightly right of center. As for "True Progressives," many

Dems. already consider Elizabeth Warren as their leader. I think of all those with political
views very much like hers to be Progressives.

[TeamPooka]

9. Find me another basket worth my eggs and we'll talk. Until then she's 'the one'. nt

[CTyankee]

11. We have to start somewhere or we won't start, will we?

[LiberalElite]

12. and the Hillary supporters are?

[RBInMaine]

5. She is not running for President. She has said so repeatedly. What don't you and others understand?

[Cal33]

7. It looks that way now. But what's wrong with hoping that she would change her mind? We still

have two years to go, and that's a long time as far as politics is concerned.

From her speech in the Senate yesterday following the House's passing the
spending bill, she was urging her fellow-Democrats that "Now is the time for us
Democrats to stand up and fight," I'd says she is already a great political force
right now. And she will continue to grow in stature. This will not change, even
if she is not running for president.

[RBInMaine]

15. Because it is suspending reason and sanity. SHE IS NOT RUNNING. DEAL WITH IT LIKE A GROWN ADULT.

Children put their hopes in fantasies, not grown adults. She has repeatedly said she isn't running, and she is not running.

Suspending one's own sanity out of a "hope" that is explicitly hopeless is completely wasted energy. Put your energy elsewhere.

[Cal33]

16. I've already said in other posts that I'd be glad to vote for others with EW's views, such as

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Sanders, Franken, Grayson, O'Malley..... I'm not dead stuck on she must run, but I'd like to
see her run. I'd even vote for Hillary if she should be the one running against the Republicans.
I am free.

On the other hand, you seem to be dead stuck on the idea that EW's fans must stop trying to
change EW's mind. There's nothing "insane" about trying to change EW's mind. Would you be
willing to vote for EW should she decide to run and win the Democratic nomination - like I would
vote for Hillary? If not, you're the one who's stuck. I am free.

[BootinUp]

6. Yes, we can be out of control of every single branch of gov.

Change indeeeeeed

[world wide wally]

8. "....and some people have greatness thrust upon them"

[Persondem]

13. EW is 31st most liberal member of Senate.

"... on a very significant piece of legislation, [EW voted] to repeal Obamacare's medical-device tax—a core element to the funding of the Affordable Care Act. Many manufacturers are based in Massachusetts, so this is an instance of her voting her constituency over her party. She didn't stop there, joining with many Republicans to "repeal or reduce the estate tax" if done in a fiscally responsible way. Warren even irked consumer advocates by opposing a measure that would have allowed states to mandate labeling of foods that contain genetically modified ingredients."

from http://www.nationaljournal.com/2013-vote-ratings/why-elizabeth-warren-isn-t-the-most-liberal-senator-20140206

If you want a candidate that's ok with cutting a key Obamacare funding mechanism, is ok with repealing the estate tax and doesn't mind screwing consumers then have at it. She was republican for the first half of her adult life and likely voted for Reagan ... TWICE! Yep, she's spouting some nice things about regulating Wall St. and helping the middle class. She's loud and passionate about it; good for her ... but that's about it.

You have to look at the whole person, not some idealized nouveau icon that liberal bloggers wax poetic about. Likewise HRC's voting record should be a main consideration in forming an opinion of her as a potential candidate, not the voices in an uber-left echo chamber. Anyone condemning her as a centrist sellout without first looking at her voting record and her ratings is being completely unfair.

[Cal33]

14. How did you get the rank that EW is 31st most liberal member of Senate? By counting how many

liberal bills she voted for and Republican bills she voted against? Have you taken into consideration
the fact that she has been in office only 2 years?

[world wide wally]

17. But where are the voices of the thirty that are "more" liberal?

[Cal33]

18. You are right. They remain mostly silent. Republicans have been doing most of the

talking, even when they have nothing constructive for America to say and do. It's refreshing
to hear a real Democrat for a change!