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Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:38 PM May 2012

There is exactly ONE SOLUTION to the republican voter supression

them throwing people off the voter roles, insane voter id requirements.

One Solution.

FEDERAL VOTER REGISTRATION.

The right to vote is the right to vote. It's insane for one state to have one set of requirements to vote for President or any other federal office.

If you have a FEDERAL VOTER REGISTRATION CARD, you can vote in any federal election, no matter WHERE you are.

If you are a resident of the state (and there MUST be a standardized, uniform means of showing that) they you can vote in a STATE election anywhere in your state.

County, City, District, etc.. the requirements must be UNIFORM and applied the same to everyone, everywhere.

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There is exactly ONE SOLUTION to the republican voter supression (Original Post) Rosco T. May 2012 OP
Um. You mean it isn't? PDJane May 2012 #1
State by state. That's why the federal voting rights act was needed. Each state can change its laws. freshwest May 2012 #4
Not only state by state Ohio Progressive May 2012 #14
Which also allows for electoral fraud. Back in the day in Illinois, hedgehog May 2012 #19
In the meantime, only a massive voter out will allow such a provision to be made. GOTV. freshwest May 2012 #2
Unfortunately the Constitution says that elections are up to the states. Vincardog May 2012 #3
Which explains a lot. eom PDJane May 2012 #5
But if you amend the Constitution........... Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #9
3/4 of the states have to ratify an amendment, catch 22. nt siligut May 2012 #10
Of course it will be difficult Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #11
Some states just don't want to play fair siligut May 2012 #13
True Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #15
Something has to happen to change it siligut May 2012 #17
A little bit more there LiberalFighter May 2012 #16
So is the drinking age Hippo_Tron May 2012 #22
Federal govt has room to regulate as to Federal Election Gothmog May 2012 #6
Sounds nice, but chollybocker May 2012 #7
Here's one workaround for that : hedgehog May 2012 #20
I agree Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #8
Or at least a federal law requiring votes to be VERIFIABLE... polichick May 2012 #12
Also repealing Citizens United. It's kind of the opposite of voter suppression. Gregorian May 2012 #18
my solution to facist republican voter supression liberalnationalist May 2012 #21
I was about to suggest mandatory voting Jamaal510 May 2012 #23
In Germany, your voter registration comes in the mail automatically, and they STILL make mistakes DFW May 2012 #24

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
1. Um. You mean it isn't?
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
May 2012

Not a dumb question; I never thought about it. I'm a Canadian. The voter rolls here are a federal responsibility, and the census is aligned with the federal rolls.

I just assumed, which is a stupid thing to do, that the same was applicable there.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. State by state. That's why the federal voting rights act was needed. Each state can change its laws.
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:44 PM
May 2012

That's why there is so much voter suppression when the GOP is the majority in the state legislatures.

 

Ohio Progressive

(19 posts)
14. Not only state by state
Fri May 25, 2012, 11:07 AM
May 2012

But county by county. Some (most) states leave the elections up to the county board of elections. THey can do the elections however they want to as long as meet certain requirements. So in one county you will ahve paperless electronic machines, while in another you will have all paper ballots.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
19. Which also allows for electoral fraud. Back in the day in Illinois,
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:31 PM
May 2012

the Democratic machine in Chicago was very careful not to release its total s too far ahead of downstate counties. It was all too easy for the downstaters to add votes to their count to tip statewide races.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
9. But if you amend the Constitution...........
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:55 AM
May 2012

States, including a certain southern one, haven't always done the best job managing elections

siligut

(12,272 posts)
13. Some states just don't want to play fair
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:30 AM
May 2012

They need the control to skew things to their advantage. It would be as difficult as getting Romney to pay back the pensions he stole, times a whole bunch of cheaters.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
17. Something has to happen to change it
Fri May 25, 2012, 11:53 AM
May 2012

Somebody has to get the ball rolling. The status quo is mired in vested interests, money and power.

LiberalFighter

(50,880 posts)
16. A little bit more there
Fri May 25, 2012, 11:20 AM
May 2012

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
22. So is the drinking age
Sat May 26, 2012, 11:45 PM
May 2012

But the federal government gets around that and all sorts of other things by making requirements for how federal money is distributed. Just pass a law saying that any state refusing to comply gets zero federal dollars.

Gothmog

(145,126 posts)
6. Federal govt has room to regulate as to Federal Election
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:15 AM
May 2012

The Democrats have made this proposal already. Look at the Motor Voter law. We need to retake control of the House and keep control of the Senate to get this done.

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
7. Sounds nice, but
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:32 AM
May 2012

Electoral votes are determined by the results of each state.

The popular vote doesn't factor into the decision re POTUS.

US elections are state-by-state issues entirely.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
20. Here's one workaround for that :
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:36 PM
May 2012

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

States join the compact by adopting it as a state law. The compact law requires that:

The member state shall hold presidential elections by statewide popular vote.

After the election, the state's chief election official (usually the state Secretary of State) shall certify the number of popular votes cast in the state for each candidate and report those results to the other states by a specific deadline.

The chief election official shall then determine "national popular vote totals" for each candidate by adding up the vote totals reported by every state (including states that have not adopted the compact) and the District of Columbia. (Under current federal law, each state is required to make official reports of vote totals to the federal government in the form of Certificates of Ascertainment.)[2]

The state's electoral votes shall be awarded to the candidate with the greatest "national popular vote total."








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
8. I agree
Fri May 25, 2012, 07:45 AM
May 2012

We need to have some kind of uniform system for federal elections. Not exactly quite sure why each state should be allowed to have its own rules for federal elections. The Canadian system- as described by Michael Moore- seems to make a lot more sense but then again they've also had health care delivery figured out for decades and we're just (kind of) now starting to move in that direction.

USA! USA! USA!

polichick

(37,152 posts)
12. Or at least a federal law requiring votes to be VERIFIABLE...
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:21 AM
May 2012

Neither party seems to give a shit about this - and, until they do, the idea that we're a democracy is just smoke and mirrors.

On edit: I know that this is a separate issue, but imo suppression and the lack of verifiable voting are two sides of the same coin of corruption.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
18. Also repealing Citizens United. It's kind of the opposite of voter suppression.
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:47 PM
May 2012

I saw this comment today to a petition today regarding Citizens United-

The definition of speech is "the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds." A corporation is a construct of society; not being human, it does not itself have thoughts or feelings, and therefore cannot engage in the speech of Amendment One of the Constitution. The "speech" of a corporation reflects the thoughts and feelings of the individuals that control it.

The Citizens United decision has provided a subterfuge which allows the wealthiest individuals to have an outsized ability to give voice, and therefore outsized influence, to their political interests.

This Supreme Court decision, by allowing unlimited spending to influence the vote, is destroying the one man, one vote concept of democracy, and changing our country into an oligarchy of the wealthiest.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
23. I was about to suggest mandatory voting
Sun May 27, 2012, 03:34 AM
May 2012

like how the Census is mandatory. But OP's idea sounds fantastic.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
24. In Germany, your voter registration comes in the mail automatically, and they STILL make mistakes
Sun May 27, 2012, 07:28 AM
May 2012

My wife and daughters, as German citizens, get their voter registration automatically in the mail. All they have to do is go to their polling place and vote. Usually, anyway. One year, my wife went to vote, and was told she was in the wrong polling place, as she was registered as living in München, in Bavaria and at the other end of Germany. She insisted she had never lived in München, and the poll workers said their computers had her as living in München, so she lived in München. End of story. She blew up at them, told them to check their computers for our daughters, who were 3 and 5 years old at the time, to see where they lived. Their computer said that our daughters did indeed live here near Düsseldorf, in NRW. She then demanded they arrest her for abandoning her children or allow her to vote. They allowed her to vote (don't mess with my wife unless you're right and she's wrong).

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