Ok, you guys want to play the same game? If Sanders wins, will the Clinton supporters back Sanders

[Bernie 2016]

100% even if he's not a "real" (according to the Third Way Democrats) Democrat?

That's what I'm wondering.....

That is *WHY* I hate loyalty oaths. Leave that shit for the Republicans.

[RandySF]

1. I will.

[Cleita]

2. They will unless they vote for a Republican. eom

[ancianita]

3. Yes, and with much more enthusiasm than I'd support Hillary. Just wondering who his VP pick would be

[djean111]

4. I think I would like a separate forum for the pledgy thing, please.

[Bernie 2016]

5. I know, right?

I'm tired of those things...

We all will support the Democratic nominee, whoever it may be.

[malokvale77]

9. I wish I could agree with you.

I am on in years. 2016 could be my last presidential election.

I will write in Bernie Sanders (proudly) rather than vote for Mrs. Clinton.

I won't be part of the screwing of my children and grandchildren.

[mike_c]

26. +1

[MissDeeds]

77. +1

[Snotcicles]

16. Nice snag on that handle. nt

[Agschmid]

34. Tired?

You've been here for 46 posts...

Lol.

[merrily]

45. It gets old fast.

[brooklynite]

6. Absolutely...as well as contribute the max to his campaign and work like hell to get him elected...

...can you promise the same?

[Bernie 2016]

7. Yes, I can promise the same.

I will contribute a little (as I'm one of the 99%) because I have to watch my budget especially when sending a child to a private school. Tuition can get expensive, and even with scholarships that I've been awarded, it still takes a significant chunk of my budget.

[malokvale77]

14. FYI

That poster has no problem flaunting his/her wealth and/or influence on DU.

Don't take the bait.

[malokvale77]

13. Flaunt your wealth much? nt

[Jim Lane]

61. You raise an interesting question...

Will the Democratic nominee in 2016 accept the public campaign financing, with its attendant spending limit, or reject the money (I think it's in the $90 million range) to try to raise a bigger war chest from private donations?

As a first guess, Sanders would take public financing, Clinton would reject it, O'Malley and Chafee I'm not sure about.

[LiberalElite]

8. Results of Jury Service

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=1909277

I was Juror #5.

P.S. Welcome to DU! We have a Bernie Sanders Group. Check it out!

[Bernie 2016]

10. That link gave me an error

I'll check it out. Thanks!

[LiberalElite]

17. see below, post #11 for the results

[malokvale77]

18. As you can see...

Some here are already trying to run you off.

If your name was Hillary 2016, they would love you to pieces.

[edgineered]

11. links to a message box item don't work - use copy and paste -

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Troll trolling us all out of the blue. How is this not disruptive?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:49 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Topic getting a little tiresome, but not hideable
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert is disruptive. It's a discussion board. Let us discuss.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bullshit alert.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is not old and tired for a new poster, couldn't you just say so in a reply? An alert seems rather XTreme
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter has got to be frigging kidding. Hardly a day goes by without a pearls-clutching WILL YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY thread. This post is only "disruptive" to the extent you can dish it out but not take it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hmmm, cali? Hide this crap.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[LiberalElite]

15. Ok tks. Didn't know that.

[merrily]

46. Are you trying to link us to a message in your inbox?

Every time I click, I get a notice that says "That's not your message."

[LiberalElite]

48. - the jury results -

I just thought if I cut n pasted the link but that doesn't work apparently.

[merrily]

49. You would have to copy the jury results themselves then paste them on the thread.

[LiberalElite]

52. Yeah. I know that now - live and learn... eom

[-none]

78. You linked to your own In-Box

We can't see that. You will have to copy n Paste in a post here.

[Agnosticsherbet]

12. . I am tired of various iterations of this question

Let's finish the primary and then GOTV for whoever is nominated.

[merrily]

50. Agree. Enough already. Not as though an anonymous screen name couldn't fib, anyway.

Not as though anyone would know. But I won't answer the question anyway. It's out of order.

[malokvale77]

19. Welcome to DU...

FYI, only Mrs. Clinton supporters ask for loyalty oaths.

Bernie Sanders supporters are confident of his victory.

Go Bernie.

[hrmjustin]

25. Lol.

[malokvale77]

29. I'm happy you find that funny. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. I suspect most of the members of this board will vote for ...

if not, work for, then vote for, the eventual Democratic nominee.

[Bernie 2016]

21. That would be the correct answer..

[hay rick]

37. I will work for and vote for Bernie or vote for Hillary and work for other candidates.

That's my expectation at this time. I reserve the right to change my mind...

[prayin4rain]

22. Of course. n/t

[hrmjustin]

23. Absolutely and I am loyal to the party. Every Clinton supporter on this site has made that pledge.

Sadly many Sanders supporters openly say they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

[JoePhilly]

24. Asked and answered over and over and over.

[doc03]

27. I much prefer Sanders over Clinton but don't really think

Sanders has a chance. I would support either one that wins.

[demmiblue]

28. It seems like a lot of people join DU just to pose these loyalty questions.

[merrily]

47. A lot of new members posting. Also a lot who post very rarely.

The other day, I noticed a poster who had registered in 2001 and still had under 700 posts. Now, that's infrequent.

[ucrdem]

30. If Bernie wins the nom, and there's always a morbid chance,

he'll definitely win the big blue states (that's me) and probably the little blue states (NE) but the middle reds and purples, doubtful. Can he win without one or two? Also doubtful. Take Florida and Ohio for example. Who are they going to ahem, be permitted to vote for, Jeb or Bernie? That's the problem.

[Kalidurga]

31. lo f'n l

[ucrdem]

33. He'd get California, he'd get NH. Probably Vermont, probably New York.

That's not enough.

[Kalidurga]

35. I think he would take Florida

but it's a long shot.

[ucrdem]

38. I can see Bernie doing reasonably well in Florida.

But not as well as Hillary, in the primary or general, and definitely not well enough to beat Jeb in his own back yard. And in the primaries I see him winning a few New England states, maybe Colorado or Oregon. Maybe some smaller red states like the Dakotas. But the south, or any state that's seen significant recent immigration, meaning California, New York, Texas, Arizona, and the like, I don't think he stands a chance. Which is good because if for some reason Hillary drops out we're probably going to lose this one.

[Comrade Grumpy]

83. You think Bernie would not win California or New York against a Republican?

I think that's crazy talk. Those are strongly liberal states and he's a strongly progressive candidate.

Why do you think states with significant immigrant populations would not go for Bernie? Because the Republicans are so good on immigration?

I doubt he would win in the Dakotas. No Democrat does.

And the South is not generally friendly territory for Democrats.

The electoral map favors Democrats in the presidential race. Hillary isn't the only Dem who can win.

[sabrina 1]

39. Bernie will win. New polls show his numbers climbing again. Hillary's are falling. He's now

22% in Iowa, 32% in NH and it only took one month to go from a virtual unknown to climbing each week as more and more people get to hear and know him and most of all look at his record.

He also has so much crossover appeal you see moderate Repubs who are disgusted with their own party every day, signing on to his campaign regularly.

His biggest support will come from Independents, the goal he had from the start and from previously non-voters. They have not even been polled yet, though in one poll on Indies, he was way ahead of Hillary as one would expect.

[ucrdem]

40. Bernie may win a granite state or two,

conceivably Iowa, though that's a stretch. Basically he's a novelty act and while he might catch on in the debates and win a few more primaries, if past is prologue he'll stall when the primaries get to the big blue states, where he's sure to get beaten by Hillary. And polls that until recently included Warren are going to show a rise in Sanders support as Warren backers change horse.

[sabrina 1]

42. Really? To whom is he a 'novelty act'? According to national polls he is far more in sync with

the average American on most issues, than any other candidate. He IS a novelty when it comes to politicians because he's honest, his campaign talk isn't just rhetoric, his long record shows that he has been consistent and WAY ahead of eg, Hillary on important issues and voted that way.

He has iow, some very important qualities in a leader, he has foresight, enough to know NOT to vote for the Iraq War AND the Patriot, demonstrating another quality lacking in many politicians, courage. He supported Gay Marriage and didn't have to 'evolve' on the issue. He did so because it was the right thing to do. Unlike Hillary who was slow to reverse her position not so long ago that 'marriage was a sacred trust between a man and a woman'.

On Wall St, the TPP, Pipeline etc his on the right side again. He voted against NAFTA predicting, what is now a fact, a loss of jobs for Americans.

Hillary has been wrong on so many issues, War, the Patriot Act, even torture, the TPP etc and has had to apologize for her mistakes.

You can't have a leader who gets wrong when people's lives are at stake. Apologizing ten years later and hundreds of thousands of lives later, that doesn't help.

The only thing 'novel' about Bernie is he tells the truth and he acts with foresight and good judgement when he is called to do so. He has all the qualities of a good leader.

[ucrdem]

44. NYT, June 24: "Bernie Sanders a Virtual Unknown Among Black Voters"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251414574

He might be in sync with Team Snowden-Assange-Greenwald but they're not going to get anyone nominated for anything.

[Bernie 2016]

60. That's a easy fix..

Bernie is already doing that, making himself known, and has tens of thousands POC supporters, and growing daily.

[ucrdem]

43. {wrong place, sorry}

[LynneSin]

63. Oh come off it. That's what they said about Obama too

How did that work out?

[ucrdem]

64. With all due respect Bernie is not in same league as Obama.

Hell he's not even in the same party as Obama. How do you expect the Democrats who turned out in record numbers to elect Obama in 2008, and in respectable numbers to reelect him in 2012, to vote for a guy who has basically spent the last six months calling Obama a liar?

[LynneSin]

65. Sorry in the end I know Clinton supporters would vote for Sanders

who else would they vote for? One of those clowns from the GOP clown car? Heck John McCain was so sure that Clinton supporters were not going to support Obama that he picked Sarah Palin as his VP thinking Clinton supporters would vote for anyone with a set of ovaries.

It was just as bitter 8 years ago yet in the end we all came together and won. BTW I supported neither of them 8 years ago, I was team Biden. When he dropped I stayed neutral because I knew I'd vote for any of them.

[ucrdem]

66. Oh I know that, but in this case I'm talking about the primary.

p.s. Biden is my first choice too if he ever gets in. But I've really come around on Hillary for a couple of reasons, not least that I think she's a much better candidate this time with way better chances. But a sure thing she isn't so I'll be very happy when the primary drama concludes and would also be happy to skip to the general and save the damage.

[LynneSin]

67. I like all the candidates

but Biden has always been my favorite and we First Staters gotta stick together!

[NaturalHigh]

32. Speaking only for myself, yes.

That's hardly a loyalty oath. I'm not saying I would vote for any Democrat, but I would definitely vote for Sanders.

[gwheezie]

36. Of course

I like Bernie. I would have no problem working to get him elected. If he gets the nomination it means more dems preferred him to HRC. I'm not going to cry about it.

[leftynyc]

41. Absolutley

I love Bernie. I just prefer Hillary and think she has the better chance to win.

[leftofcool]

51. This question has been asked and answered a gadzillion times.

The answer is always yes.

[JoePhilly]

85. They've taken to asking it daily I think.

[misterhighwasted]

53. Not anymore.

Thanks.

[MADem]

54. Welcome to DU, your rudeness is noted. I'll vote for Bozo the Clown if he wins the nomination.

I'll do it without hesitating, too.

The worst Democrat is always better than the best Republican.


Only ideologues and cranks don't realize that.

[morningfog]

55. Are you calling Bernie Bozo the Clown or just using Bozo as

an example, a la "yellow dog?"

[MADem]

57. No, I am not calling Bernie "Bozo the Clown." I am calling Bozo the Clown, Bozo the Clown.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

56. It's a pointless question.

Some of them will, others don't see Bernie winning as remotely possible, so they can say they will even if they won't.

But the thing is, since they're all screaming 'The Supreme Court!' all the time, if they really mean it, they would, simply to keep 'The Supreme Court!'.

[NCTraveler]

58. Havent decided who I am voting for in the primary.

Starting to lean O'Malley. I wouldn't just vote for Sanders in the general, I would do so with great joy. Same with Hillary. Look at me!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure why you, or others, take this so personal. Of all the things going on, this is a complete non-issue at this point. Yet you are just as passionate about it as the people you are attempting to malign. Possibly even more so.

[aka-chmeee]

59. Whoever is the Democratic Party nominee will get my vote,

and all the enthusiasm I can generate (won't do much good here in Kansas) because I know that any Democrat is better than any now prominent republican.But I really think the "My favorite or screw you all" sentiment is much more common among the Clinton Haters than the other way around! False Equivalency again?

[LynneSin]

62. If only we had an example of Hillary not winning the primaries...

and everyone showing they would support the other guy.

It would be great if we could think of an example in the last decade where Hillary didn't win a primary that was closely contested and all the Hillary supporters including Hillary herself all jumped onboard and supported the one that did win the nomination and then that Democratic nominee went on to win the Presidency.

Wouldn't that be real proof that Clinton supporters would indeed support Sanders or O'Malley or Chafee or whomever might get the Democratic Nomination should Hillary not win it.

[FSogol]

68. LOL, you nailed it. Thread, game, match. n/t

[Adrahil]

69. Yes.

I'll donate money and time, despite the fact that I think he will lose.

[bigdarryl]

70. Why in hell would a Clinton backer like me vote for this guy

With all the Hillary hatred on DU by Sander supporters.Hes not going to win the General election against Jeb Bush,Scott Walker or Christie even with all his baggage.

[Sheepshank]

71. Seems like Bernie supporters hate these types of posts

Mostly because it clarifies the difference between Clinton supporters,who will do whatever it takes to keep a Republican out of the White House, and many Benie supporters who are willing to sit out a general election because of a personal gripe. The bottom,line is that not one Hillary supporter has said they woul not vote for Bernie if he is the Dem nominee...not one. Bernie camp can't say the same. They would rather "teach everyone a lesson"

[Iggo]

72. They'll vote for him.

No PUMAs here.

[Bryan]

73. Of course. With no hesitation.

I have doubts about Sanders' potential effectiveness as POTUS, but if he wins the nomination, I'm definitely in his corner.

To frame it in concrete terms, imagine the choice of a President Bernie Sanders vs. (picking one of the chumps at random) a President Ted Cruz. It's like being offered a choice of dessert between creme brulee and burnt dryer lint.

[TransitJohn]

74. Absolutely, just like

they fell in line behind Obama.

[One of the 99]

75. Of course

I will support whomever wins the Democratic party nomination. Anyone who doesn't is just helping the GOP.

[Man from Pickens]

76. No they won't

I wager at least half of them will defect to Jeb, who offers them pretty much the same policy agenda.

[-none]

79. ^^^This^^^

I'm see the Bernie slamming by the same people that say they don't it. What does that tell ya?

[Man from Pickens]

87. Confirms what I have long learned to expect

When dealing with anything Clinton, expect to be lied to, to your face, with absolutely no remorse or apology WHEN they get caught.

The dirty secret with them is that they're absolutely horrible liars. They get away with it because they can work the system like masters, not because they fool anyone.

[11 Bravo]

80. I will support the Democratic nominee for President. Period.

[6chars]

81. Did they back Obama in 08?

What percent of hillary supporters voted for Obama? Pretty high, right? Even though there were tensions during the primary.

[Hekate]

84. Answered over and over and over again

I have seen not one Hillary supporter claim they will not vote for the nominee, whoever that may be. There have been a number of posters say they don't think Bernie can win, but that is not the same thing. We don't hate Bernie. What's to hate?

I have seen quite the active little claque of people who claim to be Bernie supporters saying they will never vote for Hillary. Just tonight I read two posters' claims that they "hate Hillary's guts" and that they will never vote for her if she is the nominee.

Most Bernie supporters here are civil. But that toxic little bunch is doing Bernie no favors.

[hrmjustin]

86. The poster has been banned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=324128