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[wyldwolf]

1. people posting on facebook haz a sad.

[roguevalley]

55. that is my union and i am pissed. sad? really?

[wyldwolf]

63. you know all those people posting on facebook personally? You KNOW they're your union?

Nah.

[99Forever]

2. Welcome to democracy, Clinton style.

It's how they roll.

[wyldwolf]

9. I can see this line of logic taken to the general...

Sanders supporters: "clinton only won because people allegedly came and voted for her."

Lol

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. I am a member and I didn't get a vote!!!

[MissDeeds]

53. I was a member until about an hour ago

I am a former public school teacher and Professor of Education. I sent an email canceling my membership. From what I am hearing from some of my colleagues and former students, who are now teachers, they are doing the same. I imagine things will really heat up in a few weeks when teachers get together for in-services and conferences, not to mention the start of school. This was clearly nepotism as HRC and Randi Weingarten are friends. No way does a candidate who supports charter schools win the support of AFT.

[hrmjustin]

3. Sounds like sour grapes.

[aspirant]

13. Do sour grapes have a voice?

[hrmjustin]

20. They have the option to vote for Sanders.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

57. Well no one that I know had a vote

I certainly didn't

[hrmjustin]

58. Did you sign the petition to reverse the endorsement?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

60. That's not the point

[hrmjustin]

62. Ok well unions endorse and there is always disagreement.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

65. but most Dem candidates hadn't declared

apparently they said that they started to poll members in February. Nothing had happened regarding the primary candidates way back then. No one in the union had contacted me. They need to wait until all candidates are on board. Biden said that he may run.

[hrmjustin]

67. Well since you are actually a member i don't see it as sour grapes on your part but more of a

criticism of the process.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Even if the poll/endorse were conducted on the up and up...

...the fact that AFT President Weingartner is on the board of Hillarys Super PAC creates a lot of mistrust. And lack of trust is one of Hillarys big hurtles.

[sufrommich]

5. So a right wing,anti government site is angry that a teachers union endorsed

Hillary Clinton. I'm shocked.

[Scootaloo]

7. What site is that?

[sufrommich]

12. The one linked in the article:

http://stopcommoncorenh.org/sccnh/2015/03/12/what-does-hillary-clinton-have-to-do-with-common-core-a-lot/

[Metric System]

24. Take a look around the site. It's an anti-government, states rights website.

http://stopcommoncorenh.org/sccnh/2015/06/23/teachers-subjected-to-conference-instructing-they-are-racists-for-being-white/

[Wilms]

8. Can you provide a link asserting that it's a right wing site?

Thanks in advance.

[dsc]

25. from their very own website

http://stopcommoncorenh.org/sccnh/2015/07/04/school-reproductive-services-met-with-disdain-or-disbelief/

read it and tell me they aren't right wing and anti woman.

School-based clinics are now offering to implant IUDs into girls as young as 11.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2015/07/03/seattle-schools-to-6th-graders-no-soda-for-you-but-heres-an-iud-n2021052

It is truly amazing that some folks still refuse to believe that a SCHOOL would do anything like that.

When we told one former teacher who is now 93 about the way some schools have been presenting sex education to kids as young as fifth grade, his reaction was, “That can’t have happened, or they’d have been arrested”.

[Wilms]

52. Thanks.

So it happens that Progressives are not the only ones who have an issue with Common Core.

[BooScout]

26. click on the link they gave you....

If you can't figure out it's a hard core right wing site then there is no hope.....jfc

[enlightenment]

42. Teachers for Social Justice

are pretty annoyed about it, as well. They are hardly right-wing anything.

Most do not believe that their union should endorse anyone without overwhelming consent, which was not received. Some of them feel that Hillary's support of Common Core means she isn't listening to what they are saying, and I'd imagine there are a number of other reasons, as well.

Please don't turn this into another "omg - those Bernbots (isn't that what you all call them in the HC group?) are dissing our preferred candidate" thing. The OP may not be from one of your approved sites, but the fact is that a lot of teachers are currently unhappy with this endorsement. It's not a Clinton/Sanders battle - it's more of a "the union isn't doing its job of representing us" fight.

[Thinkingabout]

6. It would be mire like the union members have will lose a great representative.

[bigtree]

10. not a peep would have been raised if Sanders had been chosen

...DU Sanders supporters (and the pathetic authors of this tripe) have gone off the deep end.

Someone tell me this isn't what the Sanders campaign is all about. I'm starting to really hate this.

[HooptieWagon]

11. AFT polled 1%, and ignored 99%.

Sounds like the Hillary campaign.

[the_sly_pig]

50. If the survey members were chosen randomly....

then 1150 responses can be considered statistically valid with a +/- of some amount.

No surveys consider entire populations.

[bigtree]

17. it's all over the news

...no wait, it's just here at DU.

Must be true.

wait...

The AFT has conducted a long, deliberative process to assess which candidate would best champion the issues of importance to our members, their families and communities. (1) Members have been engaged online, (2) through the "You Decide" website, (3) through several telephone town halls, (4) and through multiple surveys—reaching more than 1 million members.

(5) **Additionally**, over the past few weeks, the AFT has conducted a scientific poll of our membership on the candidates and key issues. The top issues members raised were jobs and the economy and public education. Seventy-nine percent of our members who vote in Democratic primaries said we should endorse a candidate. And by more than a 3-to-1 margin, these members said the AFT should endorse Clinton.

http://www.aft.org/press-release/american-federation-teachers-endorses-hillary-clinton-president#sthash.spDZtkcd.dpuf

...so they really didn't 'ignore' 99%.

Compare that to the evidence you presented for your claims...

Wait...

[riversedge]

21. It was a survery.....Only a sample gets

chosen--just like any other poll/survey.



http://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/memo_presidentialsurvey2015.pdf

[HooptieWagon]

23. AFT president said 1 million.

Where did the other 999,000 go?

[riversedge]

32. Can you please provide a reference

for your comment (AFT Pres said 1 million). Thanks in advance.

Have you read this>

http://www.aft.org/resolution/endorsement-hillary-clinton

[HooptieWagon]

33. 9th paragraph.

http://www.aft.org/press-release/american-federation-teachers-endorses-hillary-clinton-president

[riversedge]

37. I was referring to the Hart Research firm

which did the scientific poll/survey. Btw--Bernie Sanders is a client of Hart. http://hartresearch.com/clients/

[HooptieWagon]

39. No. You asked for reference to AFT claim of 1 million.

That was provided. Their claim is 999,000 greater than Hart surveyed. Where did the missing 999,000 votes disappear to?

[sadoldgirl]

31. The AFT website claims that they worked

from February onward for this to reach 1,000,000
members.

Okay, who had declared by then???

I never seem to get an answer to this simple question.

[aspirant]

15. You've never heard HRC "peeps" before?

[riversedge]

19. I do not understand. It was done by Hart with

a margin of error within reason. I am flabbergasted. really.

http://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/memo_presidentialsurvey2015.pdf

[JaneyVee]

14. Where was the outrage using the same method in previous years?

[BooScout]

27. there was none.....

Wait until they understand how other unions endorse as well.

[riversedge]

38. Seems

most just want to be outraged.

[Number23]

18. "polled a scant 1150" but yet a poll of barely 50 Hispanics that saw Bernie winning 41% of them

was run up and down this site as if it was gospel that Bernie was winning Hispanics.

The charmingly named "BlacksforBernie" Twitter feed which didn't even have 200 members was run up and down this site as "proof" of Bernie's surge among minorities. PeopleofColorforBernie had around 250 members. AA's for Bernie on Facebook has 390 likes. People of Color for Bernie on Facebook is the ONLY minority themed Bernie vehicle that comes close to the 1150 polled by this one union with over 1200 likes. And even that number is absurd considering there are over 100 MILLION racial minorities in the United States.

When someone gets the endorsement of Black Twitter, then that will be something worth actually talking about.

So it's interesting to me that 41% of 50 Hispanics out of 50 MILLION Hispanic Americans polled support Bernie and that's "great news" but when 1150 teachers out of a union of 1.6 million get polled, that's somehow inadequate and horrible. Surreal.

[Agschmid]

43. Yup.

[enlightenment]

44. Okay, so if we accept that

1150 polled teachers is sufficient for the AFT to endorse Hillary, would it be similarly sufficient if a petition asking them to recind that endorsement has gathered almost 1169 signatures in 24 hours?

Seems like it should merit the same respect as the poll.

Bottom line is that this isn't about Hillary (or Bernie) as much as it is about union members who are unhappy with the decision their union has made - in their names.

https://www.change.org/p/aft-leadership-contact-the-aft-and-demand-they-rescind-their-endorsement-of-hillary-clinton#petition-letter

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Please don't tell me reasonably intelligent people are conflating scientific polls...

Please don't tell me reasonably intelligent people are conflating scientific polls with internet petitions.

[enlightenment]

49. Whole lot of conflating going on in this thread.

Look - believe what you want but please don't pretend that this isn't an issue for many, many teachers represented by the AFT.

[BooScout]

47. anyone can sign that petition

That petition in no way represents the union or teachers. It is open for anyone to sign. Sheeesh!

[Bobbie Jo]

64. ^^THIS^^

These threads have been hilarious.

You nailed it in one.

[kjones]

66. Right!?

Isn't that the kind of analysis we'd make fun of FOX for or something?

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

22. This teacher is a Bernie supporter.

The union should have waited until more people were more informed. This is way too early to be endorsing anyone.

[arcane1]

28. There was no other possible outcome, since the union is run by a Super-PAC employee.

I'm not sure I'd use the verb "won" regarding this endorsement.

[HooptieWagon]

35. Bought is more accurate.

[riversedge]

29. Hart Research who conducted AFT Presidential Survey also works for Bernie Sanders

FyI ...

Hart Research who conducted AFT Presidential Survey also works for Bernie Sanders http://hartresearch.com/clients/ #p2

[BooScout]

40. Don't confuse them with facts....

[arcane1]

61. Are people accusing Hart Research of doing something shady or unethical?

I'm glad I missed that!

[BooScout]

30. giving links to Right Wing sites does not help your argument...

In fact .....it proves how silly it is.

[boston bean]

34. So, they would have preferred a repub?

[zappaman]

36. Welcome to DU and thanks for the link to a RW site!

[SCantiGOP]

46. You do understand how polling works?

Just asking. But I realize you are more interested in making a point than in being factually accurate.

[zappaman]

48. Looks like OP doesn't want to discuss this trainwreck of a thread.

Can you blame him?

[Agschmid]

51. Nope.

Can't say I do.

[PoliticAverse]

54. How many people do you think they poll when making predictions for the whole presidential election?

Also note that this was an opinion poll, which doesn't suffer from the "likely voter" problem that election
prediction polls do.

[Sancho]

56. My wife and I are educators - long time union members.

We will vote for the Democratic candidate, and support Hillary in the primary.

[msrizzo]

59. So you are saying that teachers will quit their union over this?

I hardly think this is what Bernie Sanders would want. I haven't heard him griping about this and I don't expect that I will. If I'm wrong please do correct me with a link.