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Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:19 AM

 

“This is a victory for diplomacy over saber-rattling"- Bernie Sanders on Iran deal

“This is a victory for diplomacy over saber-rattling and could keep the United States from being drawn into another never-ending war in the Middle East,

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-14/bernie-sanders-says-iran-deal-victory-for-diplomacy-

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Reply “This is a victory for diplomacy over saber-rattling"- Bernie Sanders on Iran deal (Original post)
virtualobserver Jul 2015 OP
AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #1
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virtualobserver Jul 2015 #6
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:24 AM

1. As he has been saying for decades

 

nt

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:30 AM

7. Yep

 

It drives the Hill people crazy. He has been consistent.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:45 AM

52. Do you really think we actually care?

That in itself is kind of funny. I think it's great he is saying what every other Democrat is saying! It practically makes him seem like part of the party!

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:26 AM

2. A version of the buttered cat paradox at work

 

Given three statements I see from some folks:

1. Obama and anyone who supports him is a warmongering 3rd wayer
2. Sanders is the opposite of a third wayer
3. Sanders supports what Obama did with regards to Iran.

This is a paradox and an impossible conundrum, akin to the idea of attaching buttered toast on the back of a cat with the butter facing up and dropping the cat from 5-6 feet or more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttered_cat_paradox

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:29 AM

4. If this is the analogy you are going with

 

well, proceed.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:29 AM

6. always on the attack, I see

 

Neither Bernie nor Obama were in favor of starting a war in Iraq.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:31 AM

8. Whether it's an attack depends on your perspective, and if you have a sense of humor, I suppose. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:33 AM

9. your idea of a joke? "Obama and anyone who supports him is a warmongering 3rd wayer"

 

why, that is hilarious.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:34 AM

10. I suppose if you take things out of context you can make all kinds of things out of them. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:39 AM

12. there is no end to your spinning

 

in context, it was an attack

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:43 AM

14. You intentionally quoted out of context to change the meaning of what I wrote, that's spinning

 

And in terms of whether its an attack, again, that depends on your perspective, and whether you have a sense of humor.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:49 AM

17. Here's another hint, it's the cognitive dissonance that is making you mad, not what I wrote

 

If anyone actually believes that Obama and anyone who supports him is a third wayer, and I am afraid a few folks do, that sets them up to be frustrated by the scenario I pointed out.

But that's not my fault.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:52 AM

19. no, it is your perpetual spinning that is annoying, Bernie, Obama and I were against the Iraq War

 

Hillary was the one who voted for it.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:53 AM

20. You keep making my point for me. Thanks for that! nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:57 AM

24. your point is that we should vote for Bernie, since Hillary voted for the war?

 

point taken

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:57 AM

25. If you think spinning is bad, you really should go back over your posts. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:00 AM

27. you never stop

 

good luck with your jokes

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:02 AM

30. Why should I stop if I am having so much fun!

 

Cheers!

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:35 AM

11. And here is a hint: There is a qualifying antecedent to your quote out of context. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:42 AM

13. Yeah, the cognitive dissonance has got to be pretty unsettling for some.

And if you want to blow some minds totally apart, point out that Hillary's PAC donated to Bernie's senate campaign.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:45 AM

15. And you can see how furious that cognitive dissonance has made at least one person

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:00 AM

29. As long as you enjoyed it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:47 AM

16. Bernie is against war

 

And it's bad, bad, bad!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:50 AM

18. Sure and that's what I wrote... not. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:54 AM

22. What else could be construed

 

From your intentionally vague sour reaction to what Bernie said?

Well, there is this: The plot to marginalize Bernie Sanders: The shared agenda that links Fox News and Hillary Clinton surrogates.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:56 AM

23. Its neither vague nor sour. It's precise and quite delightfully happy. It's your cognitive

 

dissonance that is irritating you, not what I wrote.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:07 AM

34. Do you even know what 'cognitive dissonance' means?

 

You seem not to. It is where your beliefs don't not match up with your observations. We are seeing it a lot from Hillary's supporters. Your bitter reaction to Bernie's statement, and subsequent vague 'defence' of it is exactly that. Perhaps you didn't realize your post would elicit such a negative response? My advise is that you stop digging!

One can only conclude that you are projecting.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:17 AM

35. Yes, I do. And I see lots of it in Hillary and Obama detractors! nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:18 AM

37. A better label for your supposed 'paradox'

 

Is 'pissing in the Cheerios'.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:20 AM

38. As I said above, depends on your perspective and your sense of humor.

 

I would expect that folks going around leveling "Third way" accusations are irritated from seeing themselves in what I wrote.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:24 AM

41. In your mind

 

“This is a victory for diplomacy over saber-rattling" = an attack on Obama and Hillary.

Third Way® Sour grapes

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:25 AM

43. Thou doth protest too much methinks

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:33 AM

48. Your reaction to Bernies statement

 

...doth parallel that of the gang over at FOX and friends, methinks

Bottom feeding

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #48)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:41 AM

49. And with that you surrender the argument. And I accept your surrender!

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:12 PM

65. I'm not sure why this scene keeps going through my mind...



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Response to 1monster (Reply #65)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:43 PM

71. Hey, if the cognitive dissonance didnt bother folks so much, they wouldnt respond with angry posts

 

Again, when confronted by something that causes cognitive dissonance, attacking the person who pointed out the conflicting statements might feel better, but it wont resolve the conflict.

and I'm a Monty Python fan, btw.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:49 PM

72. Woosh!

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Response to 1monster (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:37 PM

75. Oh I got it. I chose not to agree with your frame. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:06 AM

32. What is so sad is that you cannot understand looking at policies individually; all or nothing,

 

right? Wrong. You should, perhaps, back away from using hyperbole. Or do you really see everything as one big amorphous mass - we must love it all? Personally, I consider that presidents come and go. What they do to us stays. I don't care about Obama personally. If Bernie was pushing the TPP I would back away from Bernie. The cult of personality thing is creepy, really.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:18 AM

36. That doesnt square with the "Third Way" accusations I see leveled all the time. Perchance you have

 

objected to such accusations? I would love to see a link of you doing that.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:23 AM

40. yes, are you now, or have you ever been a "third way" accuser! n/t

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:24 AM

42. Oh I don't think you need to resort to Macarthyist accusations. Pointing out problematic logic is

 

enough for me.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #42)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:28 AM

44. You were the one demanding proof that they had spoken out against the horrific "3rd way" accusers

 

that was my point

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:29 AM

46. Oh, "Demanding!!!!!!!111!!11", for someone who proclaims they don't like spinning, you sure do it

 

a lot.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #46)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:33 AM

47. as usual, you muddy the water and sidestep

 

you are in the right business

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:42 AM

50. You wrote nothing of substance to address. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:56 AM

58. you are not willing to address it...there is a difference

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:57 AM

59. Nope. You said I demanded, and I didn't. Simple, end of story. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:06 PM

64. you wouldn't admit that your first post was an attack....

 

why would I expect you to respond to anything else?

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:31 PM

69. Why dont I accept your definition of what my post means? Hmmm. Sounds controlling for one.

 

I dont think pointing out conflicts in other peoples beliefs is an attack. It certainly frustrates those other people, but again, that is not the fault of the person pointing it out.

Sorry.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:24 PM

74. first you said it was a joke, now it is a conflict in other peoples beliefs

 

as mentioned more than once I support the President and Bernie Sanders
I supported him in 2008 as well

I posted something from Bernie that praised the presidents success

You replied to my initial post with this

"
Given three statements I see from some folks:

1. Obama and anyone who supports him is a warmongering 3rd wayer
2. Sanders is the opposite of a third wayer
3. Sanders supports what Obama did with regards to Iran. "

since both Bernie and I have supported and still support the President
I found it neither funny, nor expressive of my "cognitive dissonance".

It is Hillary that I don't support.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:49 PM

77. Correct. It's a joke based on a conflict in other people's beliefs. nt

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:50 PM

73. Just ignore the troll, man. It isn't worth fighting with FOX and Friends.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:38 PM

76. As I noted, as soon as folks raise that canard, it's clear they have nothing and have lost the

 

argument.

Please, by all means, but me on ignore if you can't handle what I have to say.

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Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:17 PM

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Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:49 AM

89. +1

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:29 AM

45. Oh, I consider Obama and Hillary Third Wayers because of their economic policy.

 

Has nothing to do with war. Has everything to do with the Third Way triangulation thing, and purposely setting social and economic policies against each other, as if we had to make a choice. Or as if they had to make a choice. TPP - Third Way. Read their website. Read the website for the New Democrat Coalition. Third Way economic policies. Embracing the GOP on economic issues. I beieve the NDC even says something like to hell with ideology, we want to work with the GOP.

Just declined to sign a petition thanking Hillary for saying Social Security should be strengthened.
Reminded them that Third Wayers think it should be strengthened by using things like Chained CPI, and Progressives think in terms of raising the cap and increasing payouts. So I said I would wait for the fine print.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:39 PM

83. social liberal - economically conservative

Third Way 101 - duh

what a bus load of silly

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:46 AM

53. Lovely...

It is nice to know that you don't think that we on the left can actually be happy for the president or celebrate it when he does things that we support.




Also, you just failed logic with a series of false premises.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:49 AM

54. I thought it was lovely too...

 

and no, the logic isn't failed. You can assert that no one fits the scenario, that's possible, but the logic is actually quite good.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:05 PM

63. Dude... Keith Olbermann you're not.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:47 PM

82. That's the stupidest example of a paradox

 

I've read in quite some time.

But, hey, Wikipedia, eh?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:33 PM

88. You didn't get very far in logic I take it.

1) While many Bernie supporters consider Obama a 'third wayer', we don't by and large consider him a 'warmonger'. In fact many of us have been supportive of him on Iran, Cuba, and withdraw from Iraq.


2) 'Third wayer' and 'warmonger' are not synonyms. A person can be a 'warmonger' and not be a 'third wayer' (look at the tea party). Likewise they can be a 'third wayer' and not a 'warmonger'. 'Third way' tends to refer to economic beliefs, whereas 'warmonger' is a foreign affairs position. Even though there may be overlap between the two that doesn't make them intricately linked. Therefor Sanders being opposite of a 'third wayer' will not automatically make him opposite a 'warmongerer' by definition. Since Obama is not a 'warmongerer' the position is moot anyways.


3) Even if 'warmonger' and 'third wayer' were synonyms (which they're not), agreeing on a specific position does not break a logical conclusion, since neither 'warmongerer' nor 'third wayer' are absolute defined positions, only general references of positions. For example, both 'third wayers' and 'non third wayers' agree the country must have a military to protect us. That agreement does not create a logical paradox of positions.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:28 AM

3. He is a person

 

that gets it.

He aligns with my views.

I don't want more dead people, more injured American soldiers. I want a strong America where we don't have to send our best and brightest to their graves for dubious reasons.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:29 AM

5. To react in any other way would betray

his own life's work. I never expected anything different from him.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:54 AM

21. Secretary Clinton jump-started these talks, hope Bernie will mention that...or the media.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:58 AM

26. More buttered cat paradox at work!

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:06 AM

33. That feline is purring, can't you hear her? Give the cat credit where credit is due - it is a good motto.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:21 PM

67. Enjoy your trolling. n/t

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #67)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:23 PM

68. I can't help it if the things I point out cause cognitive dissonance in others. That should cause

 

folks to re-examine their beliefs, not complain about the person who pointed out the conflicts.

But thanks for responding!

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #68)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:47 PM

79. Grow up. Or go on Fox News and spout your garble.

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #79)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:49 PM

80. I love it when folks raise that Canard. In other words, you've got nothing! Thanks for letting me

 

know!

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:00 AM

28. Obama and Kerry leading the way.

 

Amazing job by them.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:02 AM

31. I couldn't agree more n/t

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:21 AM

39. Good way to put it.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:44 AM

51. Definitely!

This president deserves our praise on this one. He has pushed off the neo-cons and the arm chair warriors.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:50 AM

55. Hillary seems to have come around on Iran

way back in 2008 I guess things were somewhat different.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:55 AM

56. Bush and Cheney had screwed up things with Iran it almost didnt seem like fixing it was possible

 

They rebuffed two offers from Iran during their tenure. Which is doubly odd since 'W's dad was a member of an administration that worked several deals with Iran.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:02 PM

61. Would you please inform your interlocutors

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Would you please inform your interlocutors that PBO called HRC last night to thank her for starting secret negotiations with Iran when she was SOS that has led to the landmark agreement we have now.


I hate to see the denizens of this board so woefully misinformed.


Thank you in advance.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #61)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:41 PM

70. I think you did an excellent job yourself!

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:56 AM

57. The Republicans esp. Speaker Boehner does NOT want Peace.

the GOP is all about more war, more debt, more mass killings of our troops. They continue to live in the G. Bush era. They cannot think about the future. They will destroy this nation if they get the White House.

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Response to rladdi (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:17 PM

66. I would not go quite this far.

It is much simpler than that:

If Obama succeeds with this treaty, he will get
the well deserved credit. That is a big GOP NO, NO.

I doubt that the repugs would scream and holler,
if one of their own had done this.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:58 AM

60. Peace

 

Today neo-cons and Hawks cry as MIC beast is not going to be fed the blood of innocent civilian or troops.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:04 PM

62. K&R

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:57 PM

84. What a tragic waste of your time virtualobserver.. The fox snooze spin head completely trashed your

 

your otherwise "good to hear" post. Seems like there ought to be rule against that kind of trolling.

Rec'n the OP..

but not the subthreads.


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Response to 2banon (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:19 PM

86. it is my fault......he has no interest in an actual discussion

 

it is just hard for me to let go

but thanks for the support

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:15 PM

85. Bernie has an ear

for soundbites

The Republican strategy and modus operandi for the last 50 years:

"Saber-rattling"

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:21 PM

87. he packs a punch with no wasted motion

 

that is one of the reasons why this political season is so much fun

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