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procon

(15,805 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:03 PM Jul 2015

Is there any likelihood that Obama will not endorse Clinton?

They have enjoyed a close working relationship and she seems to be willing to pick up a lot of his key issues. Black and Hispanic voters already have a long history with the Clintons, and if she secures that huge bloc of voters it would be very hard for her rivals to beat those numbers.

Or maybe Obama won't endorse anyone, but whether he does or doesn't, its vital that the winning Dem candidate attract minority voters to defeat the Republicans.

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Is there any likelihood that Obama will not endorse Clinton? (Original Post) procon Jul 2015 OP
Unless Biden runs, I think it is a sure thing still_one Jul 2015 #1
I'm thinking more and more that Joe is going to run. His Purveyor Jul 2015 #11
Biden ALWAYS shows up when Obama makes a foreign policy announcement. brooklynite Jul 2015 #30
We shall see... eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #32
The reasons Biden WON'T run are... brooklynite Jul 2015 #34
You just 'hang tight' with that. Imo there is a better than 50-50 he jumps in, most likely with Purveyor Jul 2015 #35
That's why Obama appointed Clinton as SOS? brooklynite Jul 2015 #36
As I said earlier, we shall see... eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #37
This… Raine1967 Jul 2015 #44
Reason Number Three.... MADem Jul 2015 #46
The President graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation in '12 leveymg Jul 2015 #31
Obama is going to endorse the democratic primary winner. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #2
Right there. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #7
I don't think any president has ever done it. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #9
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #17
Oh my. Too much coffee? nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #18
Oh lord n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #25
I think his socks are on too tight. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #26
On his head n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #27
lol. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #28
Wrong thread? procon Jul 2015 #29
Because Hassan Rouhani wasn't Control-Z Jul 2015 #33
I think you are right on this artislife Jul 2015 #21
I think even if Biden joins the race Obama will sufrommich Jul 2015 #24
He best stay out of it. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #53
That's probably how it will go. procon Jul 2015 #15
yes I would think so Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #20
I was going to say the very same thing. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #45
Oh please, you know he's going to endorse her. He still owes big time. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #3
Yup oasis Jul 2015 #14
Just interested in what you mean artislife Jul 2015 #23
He still owes big time? Owes what? And why? frylock Jul 2015 #43
He will endorse Hillary when she is clearly the nominee. onehandle Jul 2015 #4
Sitting presidents generally wait to endorse the winner of the primary. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #5
I don't think so shenmue Jul 2015 #6
If she is the nominee and asks for his endorsement, she'll get it. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #8
She won't have to ask, if she wins the primaries. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #47
I was suggesting the possibility that she might not want it. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #50
True. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #51
That was a huge mistake for Gore. okasha Jul 2015 #54
Big difference though. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #56
Too many buried assumptions. okasha Jul 2015 #57
As I said, I only offered that as a possibility. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #58
Obama should endorse Trump olddots Jul 2015 #10
I doubt The President will endorse anyone in the primary. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #12
I have confidence he will endorse Hillary. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #13
Since Hillary will be the nominee... BooScout Jul 2015 #16
He'll endorse the winner of the Democratic primary. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #19
Obama will endorse the candidate that wins the nomination. /end thread. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #22
Zero. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #38
If that's how you feel, I wouldn't vote for him again... brooklynite Jul 2015 #39
What do you mean, "again?" Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #40
A singlr moment of honesty. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #48
..... MADem Jul 2015 #42
Seeing as she's been serving as his surrogate up on the Hill today, I think she's got his approval. MADem Jul 2015 #41
Pretty sure he will wait and endorse the candidate. oldandhappy Jul 2015 #49
The President will endorse the Party Nominee. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #52
Depends if Biden runs BainsBane Jul 2015 #55
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
11. I'm thinking more and more that Joe is going to run. His
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:12 PM
Jul 2015

appearence with the President today reenforced my thoughts..

What fun that should be around here if he does.


brooklynite

(95,254 posts)
34. The reasons Biden WON'T run are...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jul 2015

1. He's at the top of his career, and won't want to sully his image by losing the nomination -- again -- and especially losing to Hillary Clinton.

2. He'll be hard-pressed to raise the money and assemble the political team he'd need to compete with Hillary Clinton. All the good talent and the fundraisers will be tied up with other teams.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
35. You just 'hang tight' with that. Imo there is a better than 50-50 he jumps in, most likely with
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jul 2015

President Obama encouragement. There is scant little love between the Obamas' and the Clintons.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
44. This…
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jul 2015

I have mentioned it before, but I have a good friend who was very close to Biden during his last campaign. HE knows Joe and I asked him about this earlier this year (Superbowl Sunday, to be exact).

He said Joe does;t want to run again and risk losing a third time. He's got a sweet gig right now and is loving what he is doing.

I would love to see him in the race, but I simply do not see it happening.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. Reason Number Three....
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jul 2015

He knows full well that it's a fool's errand to stand in the way of history. His good friends have said as much. And HRC's presidency would be historical in every respect.

And reason number four--he's behind her in all polls by a monstrous amount.

Your point about money is especially salient--his donors are, in many cases, her donors...and she's got her donors locked up. Same deal with superdelegates, as well--he and HRC are long term friends, travel in the same circles (and that's no joke; their families have gone on VACATION together!). There's just no path to the nomination for Biden as long as Clinton is in the race--not money, not endorsements, not poll numbers.

Last, but not least, he was recently kicked in the gut with the death of Beau. That kind of tragedy is not easily overcome. The grief process can be long and the stress of campaigning wouldn't help him heal. He'd be better off serving as a surrogate and a champion for the nominee--that's in his wheelhouse and would be far less stressful.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
31. The President graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation in '12
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jul 2015

That should tell you something. He fired CIA Director Petreaus on much less cordial terms.

Enough said.

Response to sufrommich (Reply #9)

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
21. I think you are right on this
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jul 2015

He has played hands off in a lot of situations for better or worse. He will back the nominee.


*All bets are off if Biden joins the race. Those two are deep.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
24. I think even if Biden joins the race Obama will
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jul 2015

stay out of it. He's too classy to insert himself into the primaries and Biden is too classy to expect him to.

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
53. He best stay out of it.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jul 2015

He ruined a few primaries that could have easily shifted to the favor of the Democrats...

procon

(15,805 posts)
15. That's probably how it will go.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jul 2015

Although even without an official declaration, he does pretty good with a wink and a nod.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
23. Just interested in what you mean
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jul 2015

by "He still owes her big time.


I think he has been exceptionally wonderful. He asked his supporters to help pay off her campaign debts, he offered her the SOS and never undermined her position. I can't think of, not saying there wasn't, another President doing that for his opponent in the Primaries. I think she has treated him, for most part, equally as well. I understand that she must move away from his presidency in part to make her case that she is a leader with her own thoughts of how she would run things. They seem to honestly respect each other.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. He will endorse Hillary when she is clearly the nominee.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

Which will be early next year when she has 2000+ delegates even before Super Tuesday.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
50. I was suggesting the possibility that she might not want it.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jul 2015

For instance, if the politics on the Iran deal goes sideways, she may want to distance herself from the president. Not saying that will happen, but with over a year to go until the election, things can happen.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
56. Big difference though.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jul 2015

In spite of Monica L., Bill Clinton's approval ratings were very good. Gore was a fool to distance himself because of the right wing attacks on Clinton.

In my hypothetical, president Obama's popularity would fall because of right wing/Israeli attacks on the Iran deal. Hillary would then have a dilemma.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
57. Too many buried assumptions.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jul 2015

Attacks from the right aren't likely to affect Obama's popularity--they attack him for breathing. Likewise Hillary. This looks like a non-dilemma to me.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
58. As I said, I only offered that as a possibility.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

Things happen in politics. Sometimes strange and unexpected things.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
10. Obama should endorse Trump
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:12 PM
Jul 2015

it would freak out the pukes and DU could go back to normal .

Actually aren't sitting presidents supposed to keep neutral ?

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
16. Since Hillary will be the nominee...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jul 2015

He will endorse her. A sitting President who would not endorse a nominee would be tantamount to endorsing the GOP nominee.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. Seeing as she's been serving as his surrogate up on the Hill today, I think she's got his approval.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jul 2015

She's keeping the delegations in the House and Senate in line with regard to the Iran nuclear deal--that is what she was doing--at Obama's behest--today up on the Hill.

So, I think his endorsement of her is pretty much a foregone conclusion. She was his SECSTATE after all--she helped make that deal happen.

BainsBane

(53,141 posts)
55. Depends if Biden runs
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:05 AM
Jul 2015

If he does, I expect the President will stay neutral. If not, I expect he will endorse Hillary Clinton.

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