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LWolf
(46,179 posts)He clearly connected with them.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)(with the exception of Martin O'Malley whose great grand parents were Irish)
fredamae
(4,458 posts)The handwriting (not $$), dear McCaskill, Wasserman-Schultz, Schumer, Wyden et al...is On The Wall.
George II
(67,782 posts)If "he" is Bernie...is he trying to get their support or OURS?
His presence, his words...and whomever "they" come out to support will be Very revealing of "their" own Agenda(s) for us in the Future congress, imo
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)assumes it is owned by a few corporate funded elected officials. True the leadership is mostly Third Way for now.
People who left the party, approx 10% of its membership since 2008, are returning to the party just to vote for Bernie. And the more who do that, the more likely it will be that the people will also elect non Corporate funded Democrats for Congress and take their party back so that it represents the people not Wall St.
George II
(67,782 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)votes from Third Way Dems, which implied that is what the Dem Party is. I answered your question.
George II
(67,782 posts)"Dear Third Way Neo-Libs (aka: Democrats)", which makes the assertion that Democrats are "third way neo-libs". The person I responded to made that assumption (more like a conclusion)
There was no assumption on my part, but the question still stands and remains unanswered - if Democrats are "third way neo-libs" then why is he seeking the Democratic nomination? Perhaps he doesn't agree with the assumption and conclusion of his followers, perhaps HE doesn't believe Democrats are "third way neo-libs"?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)do not consider them as representative of Dem voters in general. Which is why the party has lost so many members since 2008. Those former members, and many current members such as most here on DU, do not support the Third Way. I thought that was pretty well known by now. They lost us the House and the Senate in two mid terms. People simply won't vote for people who do not represent them.
Bernie represents the people, and when they get to know him, they support him. Most of the country doesn't know him yet, but as more learn about him, he gains support which will continue as his volunteers, he doesn't have the money to pay the 'experts' all the other candidates are hiring, but his volunteers are hugely enthusiastic and are better than any paid 'expert' at letting people know who he is.
He is building a huge grass roots campaign, and starting last weekend those volunteers began to hold meetups, all of them filled to capacity btw, to begin planning how to introduce his campaign in their states to as many voters as possible.
It's exciting to be part of a real grassroots effort which has grown now to hundreds of thousands in just a couple of months. Amazing really and shows how starved the people are for someone who really represents THEM. Not Wall St.
George II
(67,782 posts)....comment about Democrats, he/she was.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"3rd way neolibs, aka democrats" refers to 3rd way neolibs Also Known As democrats.
Iow, all democrats are not 3rd way neolibs, but all 3rd way neolibs are (some) democrats.
Just like all 4-legged animals are not horses, but all horses are 4-legged animals.
And then the poster further qualified the remark by naming 3rd way neolibs in congress. Not voters, whose votes Sanders needs, but members of congress.
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)Bernie is bringing a powerful message to the people and they are responding including latinos. The need for a leader who speaks out and motivates Americans is critical now, it's been unmet for too long.
"This campaign is catching fire for a simple reason, and the simple reason is we are telling the truth". ~ Bernie Sanders.
Si se puede!

sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)issues and doesn't respond with 'well, I'll be unveiling my proposals in a couple of weeks' type non answers.
And he's building a huge grass roots campaign in just a couple of months. THAT is why there were so many events last weekend in various states, Kentucky, Alabama (and yes,there were AAs there lol) and elsewhere ALL filled beyond capacity with huge numbers considering they were only supposed to be Meetups for people to get to know other supporters.
His message is what is attracting voters and the more people who hear it the more who will flock to his campaign as we have seen already.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)A lot of Democratic leaders are indeed so-called Third Way, meaning right of centre but still a mile left of the GOP party of racists and science-deniers.
But the bulk of Democratic VOTERS are not exactly like the leaders.....they have to be wooed, and Bernie gets it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Just one example of why the Third Way may SAY they support minorities, but in reality don't care much one way or the other.
As for the Repub Leadership, it is the obscene amount of Corporate money in politics that allowed these morons to get elected in the first place.
So for me, that is the single most important issue in this election, to END the purchasing of our government. We would not have the Third Way in our own party either if it were not for that money.
Eg, they will support Corporate Dems over Progressives in every election, and even Republicans, see Christie eg where we had a good candidate, but the Party abandoned her while the state Dems actually ENDORSED Christie.
So I ignore their claims to support minorities, it's merely what they need to do in order to pass for Democrats. I watch how they vote.
Both parties are losing membership because most ordinary people do not feel represented by either party.
The largest voting bloc in the country right now is the Independent vote. It is now over 42% while Repubs are at 29% and Dems down to 32%.
Mouthing support for women, AAs, Gays etc while voting for legislation that harms them, is not the kind of support we need.
The only candidate with a long and almost perfect record on the issues that actually matter to the minorities the party leadership claims to support, is Bernie Sanders, and that is why I support him. It isn't just words and campaign promises with him.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)your analysis of the facts is spot on. Now if we can just get the Centrists to see if you do not go bold, you never change anything for the better. Go Bernie- much more representative of the views of most democrats than Hillary.
Democrats revere Franklin Roosevelt as their hero. I know that today, his ideas would be at least Green or Progressive/Populist or even democratic socialist. Like Roosevelt when he said he welcomes the hatred of those who would deny almost any help to the poor in order to satisfy their greed, Bernie knows the truth of Roosevelt and he and we supporters embrace that hatred as a badge of honor. Bernie say on the national stage what we believe. Trump speaks what the rich want you to believe in order to separate the people with common interests and continue control of our government. But although his ideas looked good in the midst of the tea party ascendancy, he is now seen as a clown by most of America. Some say he is working for the democrats and he is intentional or not But lets not forget that people of all colors are under attack and we must all flight back. This a fight over money and wealth. Bernie takes that fight to those that hold the people down through their donations to Congressmen and women for their campaigns, or through lavish trips, cars, business opportunities or any other mostly legal bribe. If you lay down with pigs you get dirty, so who you get your money from matters. In law enforcement and in auditing, they say follow the money and you find those who control the process. So caring about who is funding your campaign is the number one reason to discern between our present democratic Candidates. Bernie wants to fight the control Hillary's donors over our government. There is no way I can believe Hillary will move this country toward a better life or its people. This would be a betrayal of her donors and she is being donated to in order to continue and enhance that control control over the government and the people. So the peoples eyes are opening and the emperors are more visible and vulnerable so Bernie brings a focus. And that focus is to achieve an economy which best serves our people rather than the rich donors . It is clearly the time for more restrained capitalism regulated by a government controlled by the people for the overall benefit of the people not just the big donor class.
The time is now for all god men and women to come to the aid of their country. The way to do that is support the ideas which aid the people of the country and those ideas are Bernie's platform. Lets rise up for ourselves. As he says, it ain't about him, it is about his ideas. However supporting Bernie and progressives are the first step in reclaiming the country for the people. Go Bernie. Go Elizabeth, Go Sherrod.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Bernie doesn't have the support of the Third Way®. The Third Way® is desperately trying to coronate Hillary.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The base certainly isn't. My neighbor doesn't come up to me to complain that there isn't enough corporate influence in his life. The Third Way is merely a triangulation, where the politicians can "sound" liberal to voters, but rake in big $ from corporations. Guess whose water they carry.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)All Democrats are neo-libs now? You may want to get out your eraser and put away that big ass paint brush.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Clintons improved the most since May among minorities, including Hispanics (up 17 points)and blacks (+12 points), as well as a mix of other groups, including Northeasterners (+16), somewhat conservatives (+14) and young adults (+12).
Notably, two-thirds of Hispanics view Clinton positively, compared with 46 percent for Bush and, for Trump, 13 percent
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-popularity-rises-negative-clinton-regains-positive-territory/story?id=32450539
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It's a good idea to address the OP instead of trying to derail. That tactic gets very old.
artislife
(9,497 posts)IMO, when you listen to Bernie, his words resonate with the Latino community. He is passionate, but simple. I can see him sitting around the table after a meal and talking about what needs to be done, with the kids running around and being like an uncle. His groove fits.
I think he will win more votes as the campaigning continues.
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)crowd responding to his message for Latinos and all Americans. The Berniementum will continue absolutely.
Art is life! To add, no music, no life! Gauguin, an incredible artist, esp. the Tahitian period influenced in part by his earlier experience in Panama then Martinique. His Peruvian heritage was also a major factor in Gauguin's art and life.
Landscape in Martinique, 1887, Scottish National Gallery

sufrommich
(22,871 posts)It's on the internet,it must be true.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)eom
BooScout
(10,410 posts)Who was gushing about the HUGE crowd (of about 300 people) of all white people in Birmingham whose population is 73% black?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)30 people at that Meetup. It was amazing to see people flocking to a Meetup like that. As several of those who were there said, 'they are still coming, and coming'. And yes, despite what you heard on DU, there were AAs there, some who explained why they support Bernie.
And then there was the Meetup in Kentucky last weekend. Amazing numbers, over a thousand, when again it was only supposed to be a Meetup to get together with other supporters.
And there were more unexpected crowds at several other Meetups last weekend, it is incredible to see the enthusiasm as people get to know Bernie and hear his message and most of all SEE HIS RECORD proving his message doesn't change, it isn't just campaign rhetoric.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)from an event showing about 20 out of 300 people are used to measure the makeup of an audience, I guess a standard has been set.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)The Bernie Sanders Reccing Crew is suffocating Hillary supporters. It's a form of harassment and stalking.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)to my face. "Big Rec is real."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"Big Rec"!
Autumn
(48,962 posts)when she spoke at La Raza
The applause would be measured and the pics zoomed in on and the nationality of the people in the crowd would be touted.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Personally, I'm sticking with the real clear politics polls.
Most recent General election stats from yesterday: (sorry, but Bernie doesn't even have enough behind him to make this chart yet otherwise I'd throw it up as well).
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 46, Bush 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 51, Trump 34 Clinton +17
General Election: Walker vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 48, Walker 37 Clinton +11
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 46, Rubio 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Paul vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 48, Paul 38 Clinton +10
General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 49, Huckabee 40 Clinton +9
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 49, Carson 36 Clinton +13
Most recent Iowa Caucus?
Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus KBUR/WAA Clinton 63, Sanders 20, Biden 0, O'Malley 5, Webb 3, Chafee 1 Clinton +43
How about the most recent for the crucial swing states (especially Ohio):
Florida Democratic Presidential Primary Gravis Marketing Clinton 65, Biden 0, Sanders 21, O'Malley 2, Webb 1, Chafee 0 Clinton +44
Ohio Democratic Presidential Primary Quinnipiac Clinton 60, Biden 13, Sanders 10, Chafee 0, O'Malley 1, Webb 0 Clinton +47
I'd say that's a tad bit more than "twice the applause".
polls are so out of date, if that is all you have, then you will be disappointed!!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)What does that even mean?
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Each category selected was the most recent listed. Hell, the first group was JUST posted yesterday, and they are "so out of date"?
Even if they were, out of date scientifically conducted polls hold a bit more weight in my book than "my candidate was applaused at more than twice the number of times your candidate was applaused at.. at a single event..."
I've got to say.. some (not all) on your side are starting to sound more and more like conservatives in the style of debate where facts and real/actual data is discarded.
askew
(1,464 posts)O'Malley and Clinton spoke in the main room. Because Sanders didn't commit until coming until the last minute, he wasn't in the main room but in another room. O'Malley had been asked to be the keynote speaker ages ago and then Hillary decided to attend so they made her a special speaker later in the day.
So, Sanders got to speak to a group of his supporters in a smaller room, while O'Malley and Hillary spoke to the main ballroom with a mixed crowd and a stuffier crowd. Still O'Malley got a huge standing ovation at the end of his speech and a lot of cheers when he listed off all he's done (not just talked about) already for the Latino community.
Link to La Raza official site
KANSAS CITY, Mo.On Monday, July 13, Democratic presidential candidates former Sec. Hillary Clinton, former Gov. Martin OMalley and Sen. Bernie Sanders (DVt.) will address Latino advocates and community leaders at the 2015 NCLR (National Council of La Raza) Annual Conference, which is being held July 1114 at the Kansas City Convention Center.
The Kansas City Convention Center is located at 301 W. 13th Street in Kansas City, Mo. The NCLR Press Office is in Room 2215C. Below is the schedule of events for Monday, including the special procedures for press check-in and equipment. Press check-in on Monday will take place at the Wyandotte Avenue entrance near 16th Street.
If you plan to attend Mondays events, please make sure you have completed NCLR press registration, which is available free of charge to all reporters with current media credentials. In addition, if you are planning to specifically attend the Monday Luncheon featuring Martin OMalley and Hillary Clinton, you must RSVP separately to news@nclr.org.
MONDAY MEDIA LOGISTICS
8:309:30 a.m. Press with camera equipment must check in at the entrance on Wyandotte Avenue near 16th Street. Press must set up equipment before 9:30 a.m. in the Grand Ballroom, where the luncheon will be held.
10:1510:30 a.m. The Special Session with Senator Bernie Sanders will be held in Room 2505. Camera equipment set up in the Grand Ballroom cannot be used for this session. You must bring separate equipment in order to cover this event.
11:30 a.m.12:30 p.m. All press (with or without camera equipment) will be escorted from the press check-in area at the Wyandotte Avenue entrance near 16th Street into the Grand Ballroom. Doors will be closed with no admittance after 12:30 p.m.; no exceptions allowed.
1:00 p.m. Martin OMalley will deliver remarks.
3:00 p.m. Hillary Clinton will deliver remarks.
If you are unable to attend but would still like to watch events during the 2015 NCLR Annual Conference, feel free to watch via livestream.
NCLRthe largest national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the United Statesworks to improve opportunities for Hispanic Americans. For more information on NCLR, please visit www.nclr.org or follow us on Facebook and Twitter.
George II
(67,782 posts)...if they were speaking to different groups of people, how can their relative receptions be compared at all?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)While the other two (Hillary and O'Malley) spoke to a large audience in a big ballroom?
There's no comparison. What a misleading headline.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)FSogol
(47,623 posts)his message. Thanks for posting this.
askew
(1,464 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Get out there and invest in Jamie Dimon and his buddies, he'll make sure we all get what you pay for.
snort
(2,334 posts)After seeing the headline I had to read about how Bernie got twice the applesauce. Seriously. Help me.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...color, creed, gender, gender orientation, religion (if any), ethnicity, etc., simply are not seen by him. Everyone appears to be equal in his book and good for Bernie!
2banon
(7,321 posts)I just read the excerpted bits of the transcript at the link.. at first wishing there was a vid, but I so easily heard Bernie's voice speaking these words and the applause interruptions following certain statements.
I'm not at all surprised, but really wowed over it just the same. Wowed over his audacity to be straight up and authentic with his positions and point of view.
Keep this up Bernie! Keep it Up!
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...O'Malley and Clinton spoke to a banquet/luncheon style room, so this isn't a fair or accurate comparison.
A more relevant measure would be the response each got from the Latino community.
Here's O'Malley's (I'll wait for something similar for Sander's address):
Yvette A. Núñez @yvetteanunez (Chief Communications Officer @congreso1977.)
THANK YOU @MartinOMalley for addressing not just #immigration but crises in Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. #NCLR15
Yvette A. Núñez @yvetteanunez
@MartinOMalley addresses #PuertoRico issues. "Boricuas have died on our battlefields. We must not let their economy collapse." #NCLR15
Alicia Wilson @ClinicaAlicia (Executive Director of La Clinica del Pueblo)
Whoa! Talking about Puerto Rico! And Deportations of Haitians in the DR! Way to get into it, @MartinOMalley ! #nclr15
Alicia Wilson @ClinicaAlicia
@MartinOMalley talking about unaccompanied minors. Calls them Refugee children. Good anecdote, and good understanding #nclr15
Alicia Wilson @ClinicaAlicia
@MartinOMalley working the Spanish! "Del Dicho al Hecho hay mucho trecho" love it. #nclr15
Alicia Wilson @ClinicaAlicia
Happy to hear O'Malley identifying his family's immigrant roots with "New Americans" now. #nclr15
Alicia Wilson @ClinicaAlicia
Gov. O'Malley! Happy to see him bringing his campaign to the Latino community #nclr15
It's a me, Mario @kalst05 (ΛYΛ | Rutgers Future Scholars)
Martin O'Malley is really making his case for my vote. He doesn't seem to just be speaking, he's showing me what he's done for my community.
Brian Abel @BrianAbelTV
If hate is trumps platform, he should go back to 1840s and run for know nothing party - O'Malley followed by biggest applause of his #NCLR15
It's a me, Mario @kalst05
Martin O'Malley, the only Presidential Candidate to act with United Nations and Allies to stop the deportation of Haitians from DR.
Dan Merica @danmericaCNN (Political Producer for @CNNPolitics)
O'Malley gets standing ovation at close of speech to @NCLR. His speech was well received.
Dan Merica @danmericaCNN
O'Malley get big applause when he says "If Donald Trump wants to run on a platform of demonizing immigrants" he should go back to the 1840s.
NCLR Líderes @NCLRLideres (@NCLR Líderes Initiative creates opportunities for Latino youth to elevate their influence as leaders in the United States)
Amazing speech by Martin O'Malley. Who's inspired? #2015Líderes #NCLR15
Lis Smith @Lis_Smith
Immigration Action Fund Head Steven Choi: @MartinOMalley has delivered on immigration
we need leaders with backbones."
DRM Action Coalition @DRMAction
@Jose_Aristimuno @MartinOMalley he's always been great on our issues
Ryan Adair @RAAdair
Martin O'Malley is the only one passionately talking about our duty to help Puerto Rico.
Teresa Rusin @TeresaRusin
Amazing speech by @MartinOMalley !! Thank you for joining us at #NCLR15 !!
Steven Haderer @stevenhaderer
Per usual, @MartinOMalley is leading on issues of deep substance and importance for all Americans. Today was just one example #NCLR15
Steven Haderer @stevenhaderer
More importantly, @MartinOMalley made impassioned case for "our fellow Americans in Puerto Rico, and our neighbors on Hispaniola."
Benjamin Rosenblatt @BenJ_Rosenblatt
@MartinOMalley has made the moral, economic, and national security case for real, comprehensive #immigration reform #NCLR15
Corinna Cornejo @corinnacornejo
Standing O for@MartinOMalley #NCLRVote #NCLR15
Ellen McNamara @EllenKCTV5
Standing ovation for @MartinOMalley as he wraps up his speech. @NCLR
Jonathan Topaz @JonathanTopaz
Nice speech in a big moment for @MartinOMalley, keynoting La Raza conference. Continues to make immigration key part of his pitch
A. Manuela McDonough @swellamanuela
@MartinOMalley killed it at @NCLR conference! Looking forward to his immigration policy tomorrow. #nclr15
clairequestion @clairequestion
A standing ovation @NCLR for @MartinOMalley because he will stand for EVERY American. #sisepuede #OMalley2016 #NewAmericans #newleadership
Lis Smith @Lis_Smith
At #NCLR15, @MartinOMalley getting strong shout-out for record on issues of top priority to Latinos- DREAM, drivers licenses...
Steven Haderer @stevenhaderer
Strong speech to #NCLR15, great roundtable on #immigration reform, passionate segment on MSNBC, a good couple days for @MartinOMalley
It's amazing to me that this thread gets 50 plus recs for Sanders for applause marks in his speech, but where are these same people responding to the actual immigration plan put forth by Martin O'Malley? Try Googling the response to the plan...it's getting overwhelming praise from the Latino community of activists and immigration advocates.
askew
(1,464 posts)Even Jorge Ramos, has been giving O'Malley overwhelming praise for his immigration plan.
It's too bad that the candidate putting out the most detailed and progressive platform is getting ignored.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)@JorgeRamosNews to @MartinOMalley: I think your immigration plan is 'the most inclusive and progressive so far'
seaglass
(8,185 posts)to a crowd in the ballroom. There is no comparison.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)He was born and raised in polychromatic Brooklyn, and has not forgotten those early years.
So was I, and even when my mother was born in the 20s, there were plenty of people of all races in her neighborhood. I was raised in a poor neighborhood with so many different race and ethnicity friends, that when I am asked what race I am, I respond, "Human."
I think that Bernie is from similar cloth. You see we are from the same neighborhood, separated by 14 years. Things were pretty much the same them when I was a kid, as they were when he was a kid.
azmom
(5,208 posts)People value sincerely above all. Talk to us with honesty and respect and you will earn our respect and our votes. Bernie is going to win the latino vote.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'm not a latina, but I, too, value those things.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)The whole point of a primary campaign is to differentiate the candidates in order to decide who gets our votes. That's a divisive process at its core, although it doesn't have to be as ugly as it gets.
I think it's interesting to note the candidate who did NOT appear.
At least "the other speaker" showed up.