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Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:03 PM

Give Bernie some respect, the guy isn't an idiot

1st off, I lean towards Hillary. I'll get that out of the way in full disclosure.
I see comments by Bernie supporters about the blm protest and come to the conclusion they aren't giving Bernie the credit he does deserve. I can't believe that in decades of political and activist life that Bernie's feelings would be so hurt by one disruption at an event that he would turn off dialogue to an important voting block. Seriously he may have been irritated but some of you are claiming blm is burning their bridges. Are you kidding? I give Bernie some credit here. He protested, he got in people's faces to be heard, he made people uncomfortable, he shouted, he pushed causes.
I like the guy but this goes for the rest of them too, the dem party is not owed anyone's vote. The candidate that does something about it will win.

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Reply Give Bernie some respect, the guy isn't an idiot (Original post)
gwheezie Jul 2015 OP
Cleita Jul 2015 #1
KittyWampus Jul 2015 #2
bravenak Jul 2015 #3
SunSeeker Jul 2015 #4
scarletwoman Jul 2015 #5
madfloridian Jul 2015 #6
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #22
AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #7
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #8
dsc Jul 2015 #13
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #16
dsc Jul 2015 #19
oasis Jul 2015 #17
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #18
oasis Jul 2015 #20
madfloridian Jul 2015 #27
oasis Jul 2015 #9
Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #10
HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #21
marym625 Jul 2015 #32
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #11
scarletwoman Jul 2015 #15
MuseRider Jul 2015 #12
Left coast liberal Jul 2015 #14
Number23 Jul 2015 #23
gwheezie Jul 2015 #24
Number23 Jul 2015 #28
Post removed Jul 2015 #25
Number23 Jul 2015 #26
marym625 Jul 2015 #31
Number23 Jul 2015 #34
marym625 Jul 2015 #36
Cha Jul 2015 #35
Number23 Jul 2015 #37
7wo7rees Jul 2015 #29
Vattel Jul 2015 #30
7wo7rees Jul 2015 #33

Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:05 PM

1. K&R

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:05 PM

2. IKR. He protested back in the day, got arrested. I bet he will or has already made a statement

 

to that effect.

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:07 PM

3. Agreed.nt

 

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:18 PM

4. K & R

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:20 PM

5. Thank you! Some of the reactions by my fellow Bernie supporters are driving me absolutely nuts!

I keep thinking, it must be nice to be so protected and so privileged that having your candidate's speech interrupted is such a tragedy that you think the ones doing the interrupting - you know, the ones who get gunned down daily just for their skin color - are just too out of line. Such an inconvenience!

I hope Bernie rises to the occasion and works with the BLM to hone his message to POC. If he's made of what I think he's made of, then I have faith that he can do it.

Now if the poor shocked white liberals who support Bernie would quit freaking out and see what they can do to help build better bridges with POC, life would be grand.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:24 PM

6. Sorry about driving you nuts. However, this is NOT about "protecting" a candidate.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:19 PM

22. +1 ...

 

But there are times, I truly believe there are folks here that don't want/care about building bridges with PoC.

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:25 PM

7. Here is what Bernie Sanders said the day before he was heckled

 

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:25 PM

8. ALL of the candidates need #blacklivesmatter more than #blacklivesmatter needs them.

 

If a Republican is elected president nothing will change for the #blacklivesmatter movement, which isn't one helluva lot of difference from the way things have been for decades.

Meanwhile, the candidate that directly addresses their issues and gains their respect will most likely be the nominee.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:34 PM

13. really nothing will change

If they ever want an abortion, oh trust me, things will change. If they want to cast a vote, oh trust me, things will change. If they want health insurance, oh trust me, things will change. I could go on.

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Response to dsc (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:39 PM

16. None of that matters if you cannot walk down the street without fearing for your life. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:45 PM

19. Let one of them get cancer

and I bet it would matter a whole lot. As bad as the police are a person with cancer and no insurance is way more likely to die than they are now by the hands of the police.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:40 PM

17. You credit BLM with having a lot of clout with the Democratic Party.

What evidence do you have, given their short period of existence?

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Response to oasis (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:43 PM

18. I credit BLM as being a significant part of the AA community.

 

Furthermore, BLM is perfectly prepared to forgo running the gauntlet and jumping through the hoops required to vote in 2016 should their issues fail to be addressed. It takes significant effort for POC to vote in this country, and if nobody gives a shit about their issues, why would they go to that effort?

Read my signature which is a direct quote from one of the young leaders of the BLM movement.

That should have every Democrat terrified.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:50 PM

20. Got any idea of their numbers? Btw

What do you mean by "running the gauntlet jumping through hoops?"
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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:57 PM

27. So you are prepared to ignore candidates with great civil rights history, and maybe not vote?

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:26 PM

9. The outright bashing of Bernie is uncalled for. We are better than that. (eom)

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:26 PM

10. As a Bernie supporter, I am embarrassed by a handful of other DU Bernie supporters.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:57 PM

21. Leaving your self-esteem in a place others manage it is dangerous

You can stand this on it's head and see it the other way...

You may be the good example of a Sanders supporter that they need to see.

Smart politicians are going to find a way to be part of the success of BLM achieving it's just objectives.







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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:41 PM

32. I agree

But I think we already discussed this. Sorry if this is a repeat

I will add that Bernie Sanders did not cancel his meeting with BLM after this. He sent a delegate which was always the plan since he had a huge rally soon after

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:27 PM

11. BTW, Hal Sparks just nailed all of this in a tweet

 

Hal Sparks ‏@HalSparks 3m3 minutes ago

Calls for the #BlackLivesMatter folks to stand down, be more "civilized", chill or shut up need to stop. Period. Take your own advice & stfu

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:39 PM

15. Exactly. nt

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:30 PM

12. None of our candidates now or ever

deserve to be judged by those of us who are supporters on DU. We have to stop doing that and it is hard. <--not saying you did but boy have I see that a lot from all sides recently

I agree with you. Bernie knows what is coming and when he gets blindsided it is a large mistake but he knows what to do. I hope he does it.

In the end we will see who actually moves to address the major issues that people want to hear about.

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:37 PM

14. Well said. Thanks

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:00 PM

23. K&R But it seems that he did turn off dialogue as a result and cancelled his meetings with BLM

after the bum rush on the stage.

That is incredibly disappointing and has no doubt led to the #berniesoblack hash tag.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:39 PM

24. If he hasn't learned from this

He deserves to lose and I'd say that about any dem trying to be president. Dems will not win the GE without the Obama coalition. They ignore poc at their own peril.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:59 PM

28. Yep. We've said that same thing over and over and over again in the AA forum

Too bad so many were determined to shout us down than listen.

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Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:54 PM

26. People who care about what black people think care about Black Twitter.

Which certainly explains your lack of interest.

I'd be much obliged if you put me on ignore. I don't know who the hell you are, or what your issue is with me (though LORD KNOWS, I've got some ideas) but this is the second time you've responded to me and I'm already sick and tired of your ignorant, expletive ladden, boring garbage.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:37 PM

31. jury results

I don't know why it's not flagged for review

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:02 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Who gives a fuck
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=461035

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Not only does this nasty, needlessly aggressive post not come close to "discourse" but the idea that Democrats should "fuck" Black Twitter, a community of several thousand black voters is not a belief espoused by anyone that even remotely considers themselves to be liberal.

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:08 PM, and the Jury voted6-1 to HIDE IT.

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Explanation: Uh....no.
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Explanation: Yea... !st time I’ve voted to hide a post.. Over the top... Definitely!
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Explanation: I believe this post is over-the-top.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. I care. You are so far out of line you should be kicked off the site imho. Marym625
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Explanation: Looks as if a little latent racism might be creeping into DU. This does not reflect the inclusiveness espoused the Democratic Party that I belong to.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:49 AM

34. Thanks for posting that. And thanks a bunch for your vote too.



Nice to see him gone, too. Too bad it's only for a week.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:13 AM

36. No problem

Unlike what a poster insinuates, my vote had zero to do with swearing. I really don't give a fuck about swearing and I suspect most of the jury on that one does either.

Yes, looks like we won't have to see stuff like that from him for at least a week. Suspect with the current conversations on du, it won't take long for another.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 04:31 AM

35. Wow.. that one was sure showing his ***. Exactly who the hell do they think they are..

spewing filthy language like that on DU. Oh wait.. it happens all the time.

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Response to Cha (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:21 PM

37. "Filthy language" really seems to be only half of the problem. That one seems to have an

INCREDIBLE issue with the black posters on DU. As if any of us give the first crap.

Now seems their antipathy extends to the black people on Twitter too! I sense a pattern! It's bad as hell when someone does all of that unnecessary swearing and idiotic cursing and that's still not even the worse part about their posts.

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:02 PM

29. Bernie spoke today in Dallas and

addressed these issues. He talked about inequality, education, mass incarceration. And he did name Sandra and several others...

Said something re wanting young black men and women to be able to not live in fear!

His speech today, in Dallas was one of best yet.
I believe he is getting bettet by the day!!

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:10 PM

30. Bernie did great at that event.

 

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Response to gwheezie (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:31 AM

33. At the end of his rally today in Dallas...

paraphrasing here,

Let what they devide us with UNITE us!!!
And then he named off many of the issues that are used to divide us all with.

At the end he called for a political revolution. He also made it clear it is "we the people" that have to get involved!

I feel like he is channeling Eugene Debs.

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