Hillary takes Q & A on Facebook. RE: #BlackLivesMatter

[JaneyVee]

Was she reading my DU posts? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=462241

[MineralMan]

1. Sounds like she gets it pretty well, actually.

Hmm...

[MellowDem]

16. Sounds like she can pander pretty well...

I don't believe someone who used dog whistles against a black candidate in 2008 cares much for racial issues beyond what it can do to get her in the White House.

[Fred Sanders]

71. Some people hear dog whistles all the time because they think like mutts.

Think like a human and you get a human message:

"....one of those hard truths is that racial inequality is not just a symptom of economic inequality."

Economic inequality is not the only reason for racial inequality because there is also systemic, political, personal and historical racism to defeat. As Clinton says and Sanders does not.

You can't hitch your ride as anti-racist who gets it to just the economic equality hitching post.

Simple for dog and human to understand.

[Evergreen Emerald]

93. And some will attack Clinton no matter what she says.

I heard the other day she said she loves puppies. There were then three threads discussing how Clinton eats puppies.

[Fred Sanders]

96. Does Clinton eat puppies? Does Sanders drink kitten blood? Just asking. They are always "just asking".

It is all such a a twisted knot of logical fallacies from both sides, all sides, any side - all because of falling in love with one of many highly qualified candidates, and essentially being jealous of the competition - clearly none of them are near as perfect as the beloved.

Is it Envy that is the green-eyed monster, or Jealously? I always get them confused!

Thanks for the opportunity to rant.

[MellowDem]

111. Sanders does not?

Since when?

What does Hillary plan to do for racial and economic equality? Well, we know she plans to do shit for economic equality, just cuddle up to the banks, who are funding her as we speak. And we know she likes her "hard working whites" and "all lives matter" memes as much as the next politician willing to use race as a wedge to get votes. And we know she supported policies that have directly led to widening racial gaps, especially in her "tough on crime" stances.

You're trying to sell KFC to the chickens. Hillary is laughably more conservative than Sanders, it's not even a near thing. Most supporters just have to sell that she's got a better chance of winning, because they know she's no progressive.

[TBF]

50. You can't heckle a facebook post. nt

[JaneyVee]

54. Have you seen Facebook? Of course you can.

[TBF]

58. You can't drown out the initial post -

it is on top and everything else is below in comments. Way to hide behind a computer screen. I guess it's one way to run a campaign, but it wasn't successful in 2008 and I don't think the voters in 2016 are going to be any more thrilled with that approach.

At least Bernie and Martin showed up.

[Exilednight]

72. You can set it up to approve comments. Her team has

The ability to pick and choose what people see on her FB page that is written by others.

[PowerToThePeople]

84. Sounds like she had time to focus group a decent response.

[HFRN]

86. ^^not that I blame her, frankly, she'd be nuts not to, but yes nt

[PowerToThePeople]

87. But there was still no content in the response

Just empty rhetoric.

[HFRN]

88. cant decide if it was 'tastes great' or 'less filling' nt

[Snotcicles]

2. That carries no weight with me at this point in time. How brave of her. LOL

[JaneyVee]

14. Enjoy:

https://m.

#

[Snotcicles]

19. Thats not from Netroots Nation this past Saturday. So no thanks. nt

[JaneyVee]

24. Come on, buddy, us liberals are supposed to be open-minded.

She talks about systematic racism. Thus is from before NRN.

[jeff47]

27. According to the attacks on Sanders and O'Malley, before NN doesn't count. (nt)

[Snotcicles]

33. I don't have a problem with the Message. Never did disagree with those points. nt

[George II]

48. It shows that she had the right idea before this weekend. Too bad you're blocking that out.

[Cha]

113. Hillary talked to the Confernence of Mayors-June 20th in San Francisco.. she

Started out talking about the massacre in Charleston that had just happened.. and making good eloquent case for common sense gun laws. Receiving a standing ovation!

"We need to tackle this problem With urgency and conviction. Mentions President Obama kindly 3 times.

"..Take racist violence head on.. struggle with racism is far from finished.."

"Race remains a deep fault line in America.. states racial inequality.

"Can't hide from hard truths on racial injustice.."

Poignant story about about Debbie Dills.. I didn't know that.

Encourages Cities against racism.. and preventing gun violence

We have to be too "Too busy to hate" "Need more love and kindness in this country."

No wonder Hillary is doing so with the African American Community on the whole.. she really speaks to them. Thank you, Janey~

[HFRN]

89. a rational goal would be to sidestep, not win the issue

after letting the competition take the hits

[askew]

3. Let's remember a few things here:

1. She said "All Lives Matter" in response to Black Lives Matter and never apologized for it.

2. She supported the 1994 Crime Bill, three strikes laws, mandatory minimum sentencing, death penalty, etc.

3. She attacked Obama from the right on crime. And her entire Senate career has almost nothing in common with what she is saying now on criminal justice.

4. The stuff she is saying now has been said by O'Malley and Sanders. O'Malley has gone further and been talking about this for longer than Hillary.

5. It's a hell of a lot easier to have a pre-canned written answer in response to a BLM over Facebook than responding to heckler/protesters in your face not letting you talk.

Personally, I was more impressed by O'Malley who apologized. Who spent hours that same day doing interviews and talking with activists on criminal justice issues and talking about his record.

Hillary doing these safe events where she doesn't have to face serious criticism or answer for her record are a joke. I continue to say that she is not going to inspire anyone outside her core supporters with campaigning in this plastic, pre-packaged safe way. The media sure seems to love it though.

[elleng]

7. Yes and thank you, askew.

She had a WHILE to come up with this, including considering responses by Bernie and Governor O'Malley. VERY safe for her now.

Governor O'Malley's apology was quick, and he CONTINUED and DISCUSSED!

http://bluenationreview.com/breaking-martin-omalley-sits-down-with-goldie-taylor-immediately-after-netroots-nation-call-out/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/18/omalley-apologizes-for-saying-all-lives-matter-video/

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=473565742825306&id=268311603350722&_rdr

[JaneyVee]

38. Bernie voted for the same crime bill in 1994 and 2008.

And O'Malley doesn't exactly have a stellar record on criminal justice.

[jeff47]

10. +infinity (nt)

[JaneyVee]

11. She was talking about Black Lives Matter last year.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-denounces-torture-black-lives-matter-article-1.2048047

And its pretty funny how people are defending Bernie cancelling his meeting by saying "why would he after they treated him like that!", yet fail to see the irony in the fact that Hillary was at a Democratic fundraiser, and even if she wasn't, she was booed in 2007, so why would she go back if "they treated her like that".

And didn't Bernie support that crime bill as well?

[kath]

13. She waited WEEKS to speak out about Ferguson.

[jeff47]

18. And Sanders was in 1991.

Well, it didn't have the nicely packaged marketing name, but the same subject.

[JaneyVee]

21. Great. I support both candidates. We're on each others team

[seveneyes]

12. Plenty of time to don protective gear

Not all biological attacks allow such a luxury of time.

[JaneyVee]

17. Are you calling protesters "biological attacks"?

[seveneyes]

22. Are you saying humans are not biological?

[JaneyVee]

26. Odd framing. How would you apply it to 60s Civil Rights protesters?

[seveneyes]

29. I wouldn't. Twitter didn't exist in the 60's

[Raine1967]

25. I agree.

I have been looking at what you mentioned in point #2 lately. That was more money to states and cities for following the law to hire more LEO in states and cities — passed and signed by Bill Clinton?

This: http://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/Pre_96/October94/590.txt.html

Just a dozen days after money became
available, President Clinton today announced the first round of
police hiring grants under the new crime bill, an important step
toward his goal of putting 100,000 police on America's streets.
More than $200 million in grants were awarded to communities in
all 50 states and Puerto Rico, including 332 police departments,
46 sheriffs' departments, six Indian tribal groups, and several
other law enforcement agencies. The crime bill authorizes money
to increase the number of police in America by twenty percent.

At a White House ceremony today, President Clinton and
Attorney General Janet Reno welcomed mayors and chiefs of police
from many of the jurisdictions receiving grants.

"Today's announcement comes only a month after the crime
bill was signed into law, and less than two weeks after the money
became available at the beginning of the fiscal year," said Reno.
"By wedding new money and existing applications, we were able to
cut red tape and put police on the street more quickly."

The grants announced today will help jurisdictions hire
2,770 new officers. Coupled with previous police hiring grants,
these awards bring the total number of new officers funded under
President Clinton to nearly 4,900 in more than 600 communities
across America. Over the next year, up to 10,000 additional
officers will be funded.

The crime bill's Cops on the Beat program, signed into law
by President Clinton last month, provides $8.8 billion in
competitive grants for state and local law enforcement agencies
to hire community policing officers and to implement community
policing.

Community policing is designed to complement traditional
policing by forging effective, innovative crime prevention
partnerships between law enforcement and the community. "This
money is a down payment on a safer America," said Reno. These
officers will help America's communities, large and small, to
increase their police forces and create problem-solving
partnerships to fight crime," Reno said today.

I am more than sure that those grants came with a responsibility to follow through on.


I don't know or care if she supported that bill, I know a former president signed it into law. I think that bill/law is something that is creating a lot of blowback effects to this day. HEre is a good timeline that shows how bad things have gotten.

September 1993: More Americans think the primary purpose of prison is to punish, not rehabilitate.

September 13, 1994: President Clinton passes the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which the administration presents as both tough and smart on crime, according to a White House release. It increases drug treatment programs and gun safety laws, but also allocates more money for prisons and issues harsher sentences, including a three-strikes law. Twenty-four states pass three-strikes laws between 1993 and 1995, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

May 1995: The U.S. Sentencing Commission recommends that Congress revisit mandatory minimums, especially the discrepancy between crack and powder cocaine, according to Frontline. Congress overrides the recommendation.

1995: There are more than 1.5 million people in prison, up from 949,000 in 1993 and 329,000 in 1980, according to The Urban Institute.

This is from 1995: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-20/news/mn-37177_1_federal-crime-bill

President Clinton on Saturday hailed the life prison sentence given to the first man convicted under the federal government's "three strikes" law and prodded Congress to approve his languishing anti-terrorism bill.

Speaking from the mountain resort where he is vacationing with his family, Clinton said that last week's sentencing of Thomas Farmer proves the value of the year-old federal crime bill. The law mandates life sentences without parole for anyone convicted of a serious violent felony after two previous convictions on similar state or federal charges.

The President argued that Congress should summon the same bipartisan spirit responsible for passage of last year's crime bill to enact this year's anti-terrorism measure, welfare reform and other legislation backed by the White House.

Clinton said Farmer had been a "textbook case of what's wrong with our criminal justice system." The 43-year-old Iowa man had been imprisoned twice for murder and armed robbery but each time received early parole. Last year, he went on a crime rampage in which he robbed two supermarkets and threatened to kill a supermarket employee, leading to his third conviction.

Ms. Clinton was not there but I have a feeling that this movement will be where she is n the future. She is in a very good place to make a comment online without having to face these protesters to their face.

[JaneyVee]

30. You mean the same bill BERNIE voted YES on?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Crime.htm

And he voted yes on 1994 crime bill.

[Raine1967]

40. Not sure what you mean by this.

I was talking about the bill that President Clinton signed. I don't think I mentioned Sanders at all, I was responding to a portion of the post I was responding to.

I am generally of the opinion that the bill was passed in good faith and had bad blowback 20 years later.

[MissDeeds]

46. +1000

She's often the last to weigh in on an issue, and does so after focus groups and advisors tell her what her positions should be.

[askew]

110. Yep and the media heaps praise on her for finally getting to the right position.

They ignore that others got there first and that her latest words almost always contradict her past record.

[840high]

65. Thank you.

[whatchamacallit]

4. Probably, she has no genuine ideas of her own. n/t

[stevenleser]

5. Well done by Hillary. nt

[arcane1]

6. But being a grandma is great! And sometimes she has bad hair days.

Aside from the post in your OP, which is meaningless now that she's had two days to craft an answer, the rest of this Q&A is all fluffy bullshit.

She did address the high cost of student debt, in an answer I can't find now. Her solution: payment plans

[MoonRiver]

8. Thank you Hillary!

[seveneyes]

9. Hard to shout someone down with that much distance

Human nature has its own systematic issues.

[Vattel]

15. I like the way she pushes the false meme

that Sanders claims that racial injustice is merely a symptom of economic inequality. So predictable.

[jeff47]

20. Gotta feed the meme before people look at actual records. (nt)

[arcane1]

23. That's all she has, really.

It's not as if telling the truth about him is going to be of any benefit to her campaign

[whatchamacallit]

28. Gotta be honest

If this is how Sanders chose to respond, I'd be embarrassed to be a supporter.

[JaneyVee]

32. He chose to cancel events as a response.

[arcane1]

39. They chose to be assholes to him before the meeting.

I would cancel too.

[JaneyVee]

42. Yet you're gonna fault Hillary...

For not showing up after getting booed in 2007. (Even though she was at a Dem fundraiser instead)

[arcane1]

43. When did I fault Hillary for not showing up?

I don't remember saying anything about that

[ybbor]

51. Crickets...

[Scootaloo]

31. Q: "How would you have responded?"

A: "With some generic platitudes and a "watch this space" sign"

[geek tragedy]

62. it's like "the jerk store" from Seinfeld. nt

[DCBob]

34. Good answer.

[99Forever]

35. Is this what her personal...

... Facebook Assistant was told by her focus group to post?

[JaneyVee]

36. Nice fake meme.

[Lordquinton]

49. Oh sweet irony nt

[JaneyVee]

53. I'm not the one lying. Or did you respond to the wrong post.

[beam me up scottie]

70. Speculation = lying

More irony.

[Lordquinton]

73. The whole "Sanders has a problem with race"

is a fake meme.

[beam me up scottie]

69. Indeed.

[Scootaloo]

63. You made me laugh so hard milk shot out my nose

And i was drinking pepsi.

[99Forever]

92. .....

[arcane1]

37. After having two days to think about it.

Leadership!

[progressoid]

41. See how easy it is!

At a computer.

Away from the public.

With advisers at your elbow.



Easy peasy.

[Fred Sanders]

74. Then maybe Bernie would like to post something similar since indeed it is so easy to say "racial inequality is

not just about economic inequality" - since his 30 years as a Senator have not engrained that into him by now?

If racial inequality was only about economic inequality then many thousands of Trayon Martins would be alive today, thousands more Zimmermans on death row, and there would be no more "The Talk" by black parents to black youth?

All will be forgiven, because I am a liberal.

[arcane1]

78. "30 years as a Senator"?

Nobody says "racial inequality was only about economic inequality", but a president can do more about one than the other.

If you're honestly interested in his opinions on the matter, there are plenty of speeches to choose from. He has a Twitter account too.

[Fred Sanders]

80. Racial inequality or economic inequality, which is it that a President can do the more about?

[progressoid]

90. Just from his tweets...

Bernie Sanders ?@BernieSanders Jul 19

We want a nation where young black men and women can live without fear of being falsely arrested, beaten or killed. #BlackLivesMatter
5,553 retweets 5,754 favorites

Bernie Sanders ?@BernieSanders Jul 18

We have a long way to go to overcome racism in this country.
1,449 retweets 2,418 favorites

And the day before Netroots Nation

Bernie Sanders ?@BernieSanders Jul 17

1 out of 4 male African-Americans born today will end up behind bars. That is not the America we believe in. #IDPHOF
1,247 retweets 1,764 favorites

I'm sure there are more quotes out there, but I'm going to break for dinner. Feel free to find them at your leisure.

[Fred Sanders]

95. No offence, and to be completely fair and to be completely consistent I do not think much of tweeting policy.

No matter the politician or the issue, Twitter is not how I get policy information or any information for that matter.

That is just me, nothing to do with Sanders, who I think is far less RW on racial issues than the blogosphere and media makes out.

I think Sanders is fully qualified to be President, to me the only issue is this: even marginally increasing the chances for Republicans of holding all three branches of government and 37 States who will be compliant slaves, warmongers and science-deniers now armed to the teeth with the American military and protected by a stacked media and a stacked SCOTUS..... too painful to even contemplate, too much at stake to afford the luxury of dreaming.

[progressoid]

100. I tried to find something comparable to Facebook. n/t

[Vattel]

104. Where has Sanders ever said that racial inequality is just about economic inequality?

[Fred Sanders]

106. Exactly. Where has he drawn the clear distinction?

[Vattel]

107. why draw an obvious distinction.

Does anyone think that racial inequality is reducible to economic inequality?

[Fred Sanders]

108. Republicans?

[Vattel]

109. Really? What republican said that?

[jalan48]

44. Hard to interrupt a Facebook post.

Hillary promised to carry her message to the rest of the 1%.

[ram2008]

45. More like Hillary's comms director...

...decides to write generic platitudes on FB for Hillary "addressing" concerns.

Let me know when Hillary isn't hiding behind a computer screen and addresses them directly in person or via an interview with an accredited outlet/newspaper.

If this is what satisfies BLM, then I wish them luck on their crusade because they won't be finding any meaningful change any time soon.

[Exilednight]

47. It's easy when you get to pick and choose the questions you want to answer.

[peacebird]

52. She& her pollsters have had days to create that message. Pretty sure it was typed and ready

To be pasted in as soon as the question came.

[JaneyVee]

55. Since you're "pretty sure" of it, I'm sure you can provide links?

[peacebird]

57. Silly rabbit! I am "pretty sure" clearly means it is my opinion. But you knew that.

[JaneyVee]

59. So you're just spreading a meme?

[peacebird]

60. Posting my opinion on an opinion board - Shocking!

[beam me up scottie]

76. More irony.

[onecaliberal]

56. ^^that^^

BLM doesn't actually buy that tripe do they? Come out of your bunker and answer questions in public on the spot.

[Fred Sanders]

81. Whereas Bernie has had only a couple of decades in the Senate to think about it, true.

[geek tragedy]

61. These questions are a lot easier when you get 48 hours to prepare while watching

two rivals show how not to answer.

We'll see how she does when she gets someone like Bernie and O'Malley got.

[KittyWampus]

64. It's hard to imagine protestors aren't going to target Hillary at some point.

[geek tragedy]

66. they will, eventually she'll have to have an unscripted moment

with a less than adoring citizen.

That'll be interesting to watch

[TheKentuckian]

82. Time will tell, I think the establishment and those in power are getting a pass though.

At best, she will get plenty of extra time to prepare, poll, and focus group and at worst since we are weeks into a campaign pushing a conveniently similar bunch of talking points from Clinton supporters and no pressure on establishment pols with influence and power then I might think something is fishy and coordinated at some level.

[840high]

67. I would love to see that.

[demmiblue]

75. +1 (though she and her handlers will try to avoid it come hell and high water).

Picking and choosing which questions to answer on Facebook is easy peasy. I wonder how many people had to vet her responses before the final click?!

[Fred Sanders]

83. Then Sanders has had plenty of time to clarify? Maybe if he had another public event scheduled?

[gollygee]

97. Also, I am sure she has a person or people employed for no other reason

than to advise her on race-related issues and to help her come up with responses like this. That's huge. If it were just natural for her, it seems like things would have gone differently in 2008.

[beam me up scottie]

68. She couldn't even be bothered to show up and you think this is admirable?

Monday morning quarterbacks don't deserve to get an award for telling us how they would have won the game.

[KittyWampus]

77. IKR, and it goes with the view of her being a political weathervane.

[beam me up scottie]

79. HRC watches from owner's box, accepts MVP award from her supporters on Monday.

[KittyWampus]

103. I really did LOL

[ismnotwasm]

85. K&R

[seveneyes]

91. The bravery of being out of range

[Fred Sanders]

98. Out of range of what? Sanders sent a flurry of Tweets about race these past few days.

Oh, I get it.

Out of range of the media or instant criticism or protestors, thereby defining the word "bravery"...I get it.

What colloquialism best explains Sanders's flurry of Tweets lately, directly on race? (See post #90, please)

[seveneyes]

99. Here it is ...

[SunSeeker]

94. K & R

[onecaliberal]

101. What a joke.

[juxtaposed]

102. typed like a true champion

[hollowdweller]

105. Excellent response. To be fair though she had a while to compose it.

[cui bono]

112. Is this supposed to be a comparison to Sanders being confronted by BLM?