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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:36 AM

Let me know how this "harass Black people into voting for Sanders" campaign is working for y'all

Yes, that's what African Americans are saying and feeling. Would you all please stop it? You are KILLING Sanders' campaign. Killing it! His numbers are going to go DOWN rather than up! If you had any idea how you sound, would you stop?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464855


I guess I should get ready for the next President Clinton because that's where we're headed. I have never been more frustrated by Democrats in any political campaign.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:40 AM

1. Please where is example of harassment?

 

Also what is a Bernie Stander? Am I one?

Also what is a "Bernie Stan" ?


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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:57 AM

23. Stan is apparently slang for an over the top fanatic. nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:21 AM

41. It's from the Eminem song "Stan"

 

about an obsessive fan.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:42 PM

182. I thought it was a character from a Paul Simon song....a very appropriate song....

Fifty Ways To Leave Your Lover:

Ooh, slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don’t need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don’t need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:22 AM

116. Well, after all...Bernie's name is hardly a household word.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #116)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:52 PM

185. You forgot this:

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:42 AM

2. Here's how this goes:

 

Person A: Bernie Sanders hasn't done anything for black people! He doesn't care about people of color!
Person B: Yes he does, here's why, here are historic facts to support.
Person A: Why are you dismissing my concerns, you racist!?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:43 AM

3. Nailed it.

Gotta love the openly fake Bernie supporters here.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:46 AM

7. Oh yeah, calling part of the 14% who support Sanders "fake" will help the campaign a lot too. n/t

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Response to gollygee (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:54 AM

19. Well what do you know

One of the leaders shows up not a surprise. Nearly every single one of your posts about Bernie supporters is negative and has been from the jump. Pretend I can't f'n read.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:54 AM

20. I am not at all negative toward him.

I'm just negative toward you.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:57 AM

24. Why is that?

Have I criticized BLM? Or just you?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

31. You seem to be trying to drive me and other white supporters who are OK with BLM away too.

Calling Sanders supporters "fake" because they don't act like tweens with a celebrity crush isn't doing his campaign any favors either. He's a good candidate, the best we have available IMO, who doesn't have as much experience as Clinton in campaigning and should have hired more advisors so he would know how to handle issues like this.

But I remember that Obama was not the front runner at this time 8 years ago, and in the age of the internet things can change quickly. I still have hope that he can get a huge number of people behind him and win. I promise you though that no one is going to with the Democratic nomination by alienating people of color. It isn't possible.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:53 PM

170. I guess I have not been clear enough.

I will stand with BLM, I will yell with BLM, I will freaking protest with BLM. It's you I don't like. You are fake.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #170)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:40 PM

173. Results...

On Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:32 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I guess I have not been clear enough.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=466246

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"It's you like ,you are fake." This is a personal insult. Beyond the pale.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:40 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's no worse than anything else in this thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hmph. In context, I vote to leave.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The tone went negative by both posters. Call it a draw and leave each other alone.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let's not go there. It's rough enough. Let's leave the two DUers to see if they can work it out or at least provide some light.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A very direct personal insult if I ever saw one. I don't like to remove posts, but this one should be removed. It goes too far.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTT

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Response to gollygee (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:16 PM

188. Ha.. gotta consider the source of the one calling you a "fake", gollygee.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:53 AM

16. Damn. I used to like you.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:55 AM

21. Hey Brave I still like you.

I am seeing both sides of the issue and it's getting ugly. But, I am sick of being told to shut the fuck up when my life is at stake too. I am in the middle of a literal life and death situation and it is sole because I am poor.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:01 AM

26. That's too bad. You guys are making me hate Sanders and I used to like him.

 

I'm poor too and black and tired too. But I have been bullied and have seen so many disparaging comments about black activist this week that I just don't even kno what to say. I keep saying that sniping on the activists will turn blacks off, but it never stops. I wish you guys would listen to me and stop. I really do. It looks bad when a bunch or white liberals act victimized by black people who are actually the real victims. So, they heckled. This internet war where white liberals snipe and denigrate black protestors it making shit so much worse.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:16 AM

91. if one idea from a few on a site turns

You off a candidate who is unaware of this but has the best most consistent record for A A then you were never for him anyway. One topic on a forum. Wow.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #91)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:19 AM

92. It's the continuous condescention from his supporters and the way they have to be as rude and

 

nasty as possible. Not allof them. But the last few days. They have done a bunch of bullying and a whole lots of playing the victim and trashing of black activists.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:14 PM

197. fine. but until he himself says and does it, how can he police everyone.

it seems to me that my contention stands. Since he isn't here directing the slag, if you can hold him responsible then you were never there. If votes depended on forum commentary, no one would be elected.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #197)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:15 PM

198. Supporters make the campaign. He's doing much better than they are so I think he has time.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:42 PM

231. Well, she doesn't get it. ".. one idea.."? The bullying, condescention, and ingrained attitude

is much more far-reaching than "one idea", imv.

From my perspective and what I've seen.. it's been like a horror show.. do not even recognize that it's suppose to be DU.

And, for what?.. because they think they're protecting their candidate? Not like that they're not.

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Response to Cha (Reply #231)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:31 PM

232. This has been the worst political experience of my life.

 

And to think that there was a big white guy who put his hands on a small black woman to 'talk some sense into her' about her 'behavior and rudeness' during netroots makes my blood boil. I should go get that link from Black Kos but I just so mad.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #232)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:17 AM

233. "And to think that there was a big white guy who put his hands on a small black woman to 'talk some

sense into her' about her 'behavior and rudeness' during netroots makes my blood boil."

Really? So sorry, brave, that they are so freaking clueless en masse.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #91)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:20 PM

190. For me, it's not one idea or from a few - it's many ideas from many of his followers.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:28 AM

93. My opinion - you never intended

 

to support Bernie.

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Response to 840high (Reply #93)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:30 AM

95. You are so very rarely correct. Sad. I don't want to be stuck with condescending people.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #95)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:42 AM

96. You like that word a lot.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #96)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:47 AM

97. It fits so well. Paternalistic too. Many more words fit.

 

I have gotten my full dose of it. I'll leave you all to it from here on out. Now if this strategy of doing what you all are doing does not help your candidate, maybe you'll remember some of what I said and put it to good use. I'll just stay back out of you alls zone and watch.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:48 AM

98. Progressives see a slim but real chance for a true progressive to capture the nomination

 

and the Presidency. A man with a proven record of helping Americans at all levels, and of all colors, and that undeniably would do more to aid the black community, the white community, the hispanic community, all communities. Sorry if their level of excitement and enthusiasm rubs you in the wrong way.

That Sanders supporters are apparently capable of "making you hate him" doesn't bode well for your claim that you "used to like him". He has no control over what his supporters say, and yet you threaten that whether or not you continue to "like him" hinges on how you perceive his supporters.

His record on issues related to the black community are extensive and well documented. I know the push is currently "we don't care what he did 40 years ago", but that is where the argument falls apart, for it is truly an accurate "measure of the man". If your hopes for the black community reside with the Goldwater girl, good luck with that.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #98)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:57 AM

104. They have been acting out of pocket in the past few days.

 

Since I hate Hillary I was looking for an alternative. I remember her race baiting campaign. But why support a guy whose supporters condescend to you and bully and try to force teach you about civil rights and black history, things you already have learned? When they refuse to discuss racism and call you a race baiter and say they are 'color blind' when you can't be color blind cause you are of color? They ignore the things most important to you abd threaten to not support black lives, something you are living everyday they do not support your right to live. Why? Because their guy got heckled. They rant and rant about tge black peolle who go out everyday fighting for my right to live. Try to get a black man fired for doing his job? You so called allies so angry and vicious and nasty and threatening, when they bully and harass the black folks here and alert and alert and alert on our posts? How can I choose to be with those people? They don't want to stand with me as equals. They want me to shut up and want what they want because it will help me too, but they forget that I may not live to see the prosperity? They don't care. How can you stand with people who do not see you as an equal but as someone here on sufferance? An annoyance. Sonething to lash out at and lecture and belittle and minimize or ignore. How?

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Response to bravenak (Reply #104)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:19 AM

115. Given the state of affairs in the country

 

wherein we are actually at a crossroad where we can either choose to try and reclaim representative Democracy the benefit of ALL CITIZENS, or we can continue on our corporatist path and cement the oligarchy in power. The importance of Bernie Sanders in this race is being viewed by many as America's last real chance, self included, and there is a desperation for real meaningful change. Sanders supporters know they cannot do it alone, and have only asked to look at Sanders record on matters of race because he is the better candidate, bar none. They receive a response from the black community to shut up because it doesn't matter what he did 40 years ago. I believe that his long record is certain measure of the man himself, and that it actually does matter. Does it also NOT matter that Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater girl, considering Goldwater campaigned on re-segregating the south? Of course it matters to the genuine. So in some ways, claims like 'it doesn't matter what he did before' can be construed as an attempt to discredit a facet of Bernie that Hillary simply cannot compete with, and would rather turn into "it doesn't matter". The reality though is, it does matter, and if it doesn't, it should.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #115)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:33 AM

125. Why can't you just take my word on it and not try to educate me. I already know all of that.

 

Most of us are very well informed. I just told you what the problem is. If you refuse to believe me then good luck to you sir/ma'am. We have already looked at his record many many times so please don't tell me to look. Please. We need to discuss race and racism in this nation. The candidate who sucessfully does that will win the black vote. Pointing to his record over and over is repetitive. We know. We know. We want to know what he is going to do to get our votes now.
We are dying and locked up. He talks jobs and free college. That is not a solution. We talk crime and our boys being targeted to be locked up in jail and funnelled from school to prison and he talks jobs fo youth. To us that says he think we would not be in jail if we had job like we all just hang on the corner acting out. We want the prison and criminal justice system not just reformed, but dismantled and the drug war over. America WILL NOT let a black man do that. So do NOT start bashing obama to black folks to make your point. America hates black and we know they barely let that man take a shit without protesting.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:57 AM

136. Hate poisons everything it touches

 

Especially integrity.

The bullying, sniping and disparaging comments are going all ways. If activists attack candidates, those candidates supporters will fight back. That is just reality. That's how politics work, and EVERYBODY here does it, regardless of whom is on which side.



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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #136)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:11 PM

139. Nope. This is too much. I can handle treating me like shit.

 

But attacking black activists and bombarding black people on twitter with bullying and stuff? No way. I'm watching the feeds right now where black people are STILL being harassed by bernie supporters no stop. Hundreds of nasty racist tweets. Nope. Can't take it. Like to like my mama says. Getting called a pawn a thousand times by white liberals? Not my cup of TEA! Nope. Getting lecture on black history 17,000 times by people not even half as well read as me who think it perfectly ok to force teach black people black history. No way. It's too much. All the cries of condescending "HE'S DONE SO MUCH FOR YOU PEOPLE AND YOU TREAT HIM LIKE THIS!!!" Uh un.
I have never seen a bigger bunch of google warrior determined to put black folks in their place for having the GALL, the SHEER GALL, to heckle his Wonderfulness. Nope. No. Uh uh.

If I wanted to be treated like a stupid wayward five year old child who does not know what best for them I can live with my mother.

I do not need people treating me like an ingrate and yell RACEBAITER! Everytime i want to discuss race, something that affects me way more than it affects them. No. My shit has to get hushed up or treated like a third rail by sneering liberal who tact like we on a plantation. Who refuse to discuss social justice. Who sneer social justice warrior at the descendants of slaves who complain about the lingering white supremacy. Who think economics will solve racism and refuse to hear anymore? Those people do not care if I live or die, so long as they get their economic justice. No.
I need people around me who care whether I live or die and value my contributions to society. Who do not see discussions of race as a nuisance but an opportunity for growth and understanding and solidarity with me. Who know I am not here on sufferance but am an equal. Now you know me better than most here.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #139)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:27 PM

142. You hate Bernie Sanders because of random internet people?

 

How many of those Twitter people are actually Hillary supporters baiting people? We have seen their tactics, and they will literally do ANYTHING to smear Sanders and his supporters. How many of them are Republicans? It is impossible to know.

Like I said, hatred poisons integrity and clouds reason.

If you want to be treated like a five year old child, then vote for Hillary because that is exactly what will happen when she hands more power to her oligarchist financial backers who will in turn strip even more from the voting and civil rights acts.


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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:35 PM

144. I said starting to make me hate him.

 

I actually like him just fine. I won't be in a group that treats black people like shit. So he lost me. Stop with the portents of doom about Hillary, okay? I don't even like her and the threats of future harm do not work. It makes you all seem tone deaf and one track minded. We have it bad under democrats and bad under republicans. We have it shitty no matter what. So threats about the future are just silly. So what? Yelling about the oligarchy does not effect black folks. The way you just insisted on talking down to me just now? That is the problem. You don't see me as an equal, just someone to shame into see it from your pov while you completely ignore mine. You are helping him lose.
Now that black people know Bernies name if they google him they will just see nasty posts from his supporters all over the internet. Mean tweets. Condescending posts. Rude lectures. And black folks complaining about it. How will that get their votes? It won't. You lose. I'm done even trying to help you. I'll just wait for the implosion or the recovery. See what happens. Nice chat!! See ya!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #142)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:01 AM

234. "You hate Bernie Sanders because of random internet people?"

It's mystifying. Using their logic, I'd detest Obama because of the behavior of some BOGers. Who ARE these people so easily influenced by strangers on fucking Twitter? They sound weak and easily influenced.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:45 PM

183. Results, 2-5 leave

On Tue Jul 21, 2015, 04:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nailed it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464959

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Passive aggressive personal insult toward the OP as a "fake Sanders supporter." Kalidurga confirms they are talking about gollygee in post 19.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 21, 2015, 04:43 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Direct attack against DU members. Lets try and keep ourselves from descending into squabbling Republicans, please?
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Explanation: While I don't think this is a nice post, I don't think it's worthy of a hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Honestly.. It seems the only posts I see towards ANY of the candidates is this kind of crappy flame-bait.. Even though I lean towards one candidate over the others, I have nothing but positives to say about any of them--despite recognizing that none are going to be "perfect". That said, I don't know where to draw the line any more because EVERYONE seems to be doing it. Grow up folks or the Repubs--despite their every effort to self-destruct-- will win.
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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:44 AM

5. Not how it looks to anyone outside this group of DU Sanders supporters

It's more like "How dare black people be so ungrateful? Sanders marched with MLK 50 years ago! They're just ignornant. I'm glad Sanders isn't listening to them." (Though the words "pandering" and "dilluting the message" are often used for that.)

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Response to gollygee (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:46 AM

6. Have you ever considered the possibility...

 

that you're just flat wrong? Wrong on the facts? That your concerns about Sanders are completely unfounded?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:58 AM

25. My concerns aren't with Sanders

They're with his so-called supporters, who are driving other potential supporters away.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:26 AM

43. In politics allies can be your own worst enemy

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:06 AM

33. You really need to hold up a mirror while saying that.

Sanders isn't 'concerned' about the BLM protestors. He was a bit annoyed at being pushed off script, but he's right back out there trying to win their votes, not trying to piss them away.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:26 AM

120. I have an OP in the Bernie group

 

It is about who is willing to hear the grievences.

What is really telling is that as far as I can see, there are few PoC responding to it. That means to me that on this site, there is a lack of even wanting to go into the group forum from the PoC members.

I know I am in the minority in this group.
We could take this information and turn it into an awareness. Why is the make up of the Bernie group not as diversive? Maybe the whole site has few PoC? But of the few I know to be for sure, few like less than 5 (I could be wrong as I have not been here that long) are interacting in the Sanders group.


At least on this site, the supporters seem less inclusive. This country is not post racial.

Now to reclarify:
I want Bernie, I have not liked Hillary since Super Tuesday 2008, I cannot forget that.

I am about to receive my promotional packages in Spanish by the campaign and I am going to work hard on outreach. But my confidence in opening minds to see issues from a different perspective is at a long time low.

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Response to artislife (Reply #120)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:40 PM

206. I can't go there anymore and in case you haven't guessed already

I am black.

I was so happy to see the new Sander's group hoping to be able to catch up on what the campaign is doing next, campaign news, read ideas, get ideas that would help me introduce Sanders to friends and possibly some of my gop loving neighbors.

But there is some really putrid stuff said there that I just can't comprehend nor defend and here I am thinking we're all in this together and that's just not necessarily the case.

Btw, I'm watching the Sandra Bland dashcam video for the first time on Lawrence O'donnell right now and I feel hard, COLD RAGE and I'm beginning to feel that way some of the posters over there, here, everywhere.

How dare they question the validity of BLM.

Perhaps things will change and evolve over time until then I'm ghosted.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #206)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:22 AM

225. I understand completely

 

I am Latina and I have to step away from these threads because it is painful

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #206)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:29 PM

236. I thought you meant you couldn't stomach going into the group

 

Which still be what you mean. But I have come to understand there is a lot of blocking going on. I am new to this site...
But my OP piece that I wrote on Monday was about Those who are willing to listen to the BLM Grievences and as follows
Please.

I cannot be the only Bernie supporter who thinks that Bernie can handle being heckled.

That Bernie is willing and wanting to hear the grievances of BLM and work toward a good end.

My belief is that the protest was about the protest. Not about Bernie or Martin specifically, but about candidates who would fight along side them. Asking "What's her name?" is one way to see if they are connected to a population that is being mowed down by law enforcement and civilians alike and those murderers not being held accountable.

If you go to Yahoo and read any news article about a death of a Black person, the comments alone should make you weep.

We have to get past trying to protect Bernie, he's got himself covered.

We need to get in line a protect our brothers and sisters of color.

Sttttoooooppppp,
I know there are other deaths.....but this is systematized genocide. We can put our efforts here, without taking away from other murder victims. You know if you have more than one child, they are not splitting a finite amount of love.

Please comment if you are listening or ready to listen.




On the whole, I got replies from people who were willing to listen or already were. But I was puzzled that there were few self described AA in the comments. That really underscored how few there are here on DU..or actively so. There was a run of "Oh woe is me, my feelings are hurt, HURT, I say because...blah blah blah.

So I posted this for you in case, you couldn't read it to show that all the knee jerk reactions to NN wasn't the most vocal ones.



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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:47 AM

9. ^^ And this is why some are saying "swiftboating".

I doubt there's anything--literally anything--that Sanders could say or do that would keep some from claiming he doesn't care about PoC.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:53 AM

17. I'm sure he cares about people of color, he just needs to talk about it

Clinton has people advising her on this and telling her what to say. She doesn't care more.

But yelling at a big part of the Democratic base and saying they're switboating him isn't getting them on board either.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

32. +1 nt

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Response to gollygee (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:12 AM

36. He HAS been talking about it. But its been ignored by #BLM



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251459384

They would rather pretend that the Left's White Guy isn't doing anything for their cause. Why are they protesting people in their corner?

Look, to me, its the environment. The loss of the planet's ability to sustain life on earth is THE most important issue. For obvious reasons. If humanity (& animals & plant life) is going to die out, all this other stuff is meaningless.

But would environmentalists protest BERNIE because he isn't making it central to his campaign, when he has one of the best, if not the best, record in the senate on environmental issues?

No. It would be shooting ourselves in the foot. It wouldn't make sense.

And neither does #BLM protesting a candidate who has been addressing their issues on the campaign trail.

I can't imagine any other candidate currently running who would do more for blacks if elected than Bernie. Prop him up, don't tear down the guy in your corner!

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:14 AM

38. I have no doubt he would do a great job

but he obviously isn't talking about issues of race as much as people of color would like. Or maybe it's how he puts so much of an empahsis on class and maybe he hasn't made them feel he understands that race is also a big issue outside of class? I'm not sure, that's where the whole "listening to people of color" thing would come in.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:45 AM

45. Look, go listen to some actual black people on twitter for a while.

For the love of God, don't tweet at them, unless it's to apologize for all of the other idiots tweeting them with condescending and patronizing tweets about how great Bernie is and will be for black people. Just read what they're tweeting and retweeting.

It's not pretty, and the problem is not Sanders, but people who support him, but can't help trying to tell them how they should be 'seeing' Bernie and Hillary or the 'mistakes' BLM made. Leave it to Bernie to win their votes.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:02 AM

27. OMG, thank you!^^^

Brilliantly concise synopsis of what's been happening here at DU.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

29. Copy and paste from your same post on another thread...



60. Keyword: Historic. People basically are saying over and over again
That this is 2015.

Bernie can do this but he's going to have to work at it and the real silver lining is he has plenty of time. He needs to get it together NOW, eventually all that time will run out and his efforts will look like typical political pandering.[div]

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

30. Here's how this really goes.

Group A: We're here to protest the murders of our family and friends by police.
Candidate B: Well, I don't want to talk over you, I'll let you talk, but I've going to give my prepared speech, rather than really respond to you.
Candidate B's "supporters" : We're going to mock and denigrate and belittle Group A.

You want to be a real supporter? Accept that Bernie could have done better in the moment, accept that the protestors had very real, very painful reasons for what they did, and move the hell along if you can't bring yourself to admit they deserve your support in their quest to end the murders. Cause sure as shooting, you're never going to hear Bernie attacking the protestors, or trying to 'prove them wrong' or show that they're ignorant of his message. He wants their votes, I want their votes, and you're more concerned with being a martyr.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:32 AM

124. k. [nt]

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:58 AM

237. xactly

 

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:44 AM

4. There is a sub-set of Bernie supporters who ...

... really don't get how politics works.

Not only do they think they can tell African Americans how to protest, they also think they can call Hillary supporters 3rd way, Republican shills, and yet still get those same folks to magically switch to Bernie.

Neither of which helps Bernie.

I like Bernie ... but some of his current DU supporters ... not so much.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:49 AM

99. This is the same group who can't understand why they couldn't get Kucinich and Nader elected.

 

And assume its all due to some conspiracy. It couldn't possibly be that

1. The majority of the electorate didn't see those candidates as Presidential

and

2. The way they went about their attempted advocacy drove 19 people away for every 1 person they converted to their cause

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #99)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:27 AM

121. Its also the same DU group who ...

... has attacked Obama endlessly since the day he took office.

... who predicted Obama would cut Social Security, predicted double dip recessions every summer of this first term, predicted he'd make the Bush tax cuts permanent, predicted the ACA would be a disaster, predicted he'd never end DADT, or support ending DOMA, that he'd stay in Iraq forever, that he'd invade Iran, Syria, Eqypt, Libya ...

... they called for a Primary opponent to run against Obama in 2012 ...

... they've screamed about how evil Hillary is ... and defend those who called her a "whore" ...

... and they think saying that you aren't sure Bernie can win the general election is a smear attack of the first order.

I think many of them support Bernie only because of how much they hate Obama and Hillary. They are in search of a new Messiah, to replace the one that has disappointed them ...

... and so now, if you don't immediately adopt Bernie, or God forbid you dare question him in any manner, you have committed a Heresy.

And what they can't see, is that their idiocy reflects back on their candidate.

If THESE are the kind of people who support Bernie ... then maybe Bernie is just like them. And I don't want that.

This entire thing is something Bernie is more than capible of handling ... and his loudest/angriest supporters on DU, and those like them outside DU, are making his campaign look as if it is dismissing a very legitimate concern in the African American community.

But let's be honest here ... these folks aren't the sharpest political strategists. They are wrong over and over, so it not surprising that this is where we find them now.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #121)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:36 AM

126. Yup, great post. And its not surprising. They keep shooting themselves (and their preferred

 

candidate) in the foot.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #126)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:42 AM

128. YUP ... one of them is attacking me on this point above now.

We're smearing Bernie cause we're 3rd way, Hillary loving, bastards or some such nonsense.

They can't separate their behavior from Bernie.

They can't see that the thing that's making Bernie look bad on this issue isn't Bernie, its them.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #121)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:28 PM

195. President Obama has been treated poorly by some on this board

I have been a little taken back by the attacks on President Obama by some on this board. I also have no problem with Hillary Clinton running to in effect to be a continuation of some of the Obama policies

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:24 AM

117. Just admit it. You're part of the Center-Right minority here who support HRC. Of course you don't

get it. The Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" smear is a concern troll meme that originated in the Right-wing noise machine. You've been played by the same National Review crowd who brought you Swift Boats. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465196

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Response to leveymg (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:30 AM

122. Keep telling minorities they don't know how do advocate for themselves. That will help Bernie so

 

much.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #122)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:42 AM

129. Ah ... you noticed this.

Amazing.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:39 AM

127. Its not about Bernie dopey. Its about a small, loud, angry group of his "supporters" ...

... making it appear that his campaign is dismissive of these issues.

But you are not bright enough to figure it out.

Bernie can handle this entire thing very easily, and I suspect that he will. He's a bright guy.

But some of his loudest, angriest, Hillary hating supporters, not so much.

Bernie, while having been in congress for a long time, is pretty much unknown. And so, people can wonder where he stands on the distinction between social justice and economic inequality. And that has nothing to do with what some RW fool said. Its a legitimate question for people who are unfamilair with him, and O'Mally for that matter (notice O'Malley's supporters are not foaming at the mouth on this, odd huh?).

Now, Bernie talks about one of those two related issues a lot... economic inequality. Which is good. However, the GOP plays a game in which they ignore social justice, and describe the issues of the black community as stemming from economic inequality only, and not social injustice. Which is backwards.

So Bernie, can, and probably will, start to make the distinction. I suspect he gets it.

But his angriest and loudest supporters here on DU and outside, are too busy protecting their new Messiah to let him do that. instead, they've taken to the internet to dismiss the concerns of the African American community on this distinction. And African Americans who are not familair with Bernie, are hearing you, not him.

And here's what happens ... as you do that ... the African American community is hearing you dismiss them. Bernie is not dismissing them you are.

But because you are a loud supporter of his, claiming this is some sort of conspiracy or some such nonsense ... basically dismissing the concerns of the African American community ... your message is becoming HIS message.

Which politically, is not very smart.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:10 PM

153. +1

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:20 PM

194. Agreed

I still remember one Bernie supporter telling me that I was a bad father for having daughters who wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton. That post was a great way to win support for Sanders

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:46 AM

8. Ask them why are they pushing rightwing memes started by Byron York (see my origin post here)

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Response to mmonk (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:49 AM

12. I saw that post

Sanders is fine, though it would help him to hire someone to advise him on these issues (and Clinton probably has a team of people.) He doesn't have the experience she has in campaigns, but I don't think her heart is more in it than his.

It's just a vocal group of his supporters.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:47 AM

10. Beyond throwing more blacks than ever before into prison...

... precisely what is it that anyone named Clinton done for African Americans?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:51 AM

14. I don't think Clinton is any great champion of anti-racism

though Sanders isn't presenting himself that way either. I don't think any of our candidates are. Sanders seems like a good guy, whose only weakness is in running a campaign. He's been very frugal with his campaign but he needs to hire people to advise him on issues like this.

I have one complaint and that's with supporters who get angry with African Americans for not jumping on the Sanders bandwagon. Yelling at them isn't going to get them here. Sitting back and listening with and working with them will.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:08 AM

34. Sanders campaigns just fine.

I don't recollect ever "get(ing) angry with African Americans for not jumping on the Sanders bandwagon" or "yelling at them." In fact, the yelling wasn't done by Sanders or his supporters. Hard to work with someone when they are screaming over everything you have to say.

Here's Bernie's record on civil rights:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:09 AM

35. He isn't getting angry

but a lot of his supporters here and on Twitter are. My complaint is with them, not Sanders.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:50 AM

47. I don't answer for "a lot of his supporters here and on Twitter."

I speak only for me.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:53 AM

51. My OP was to a lot of his supporters here and on Twitter

I don't know if you're among those behaving like this. Either you're included in that or not.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #51)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:04 AM

56. So basically...

... a Fox News sort of "some people say" kind of blanket accusation.



Got it.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:14 AM

65. I saw a person from DU trying to tweet out stuff to Elon on black twitter.

 

I follow him a was surprised to see a name I recognized as one of the masses of white liberals tweeting at black activists in a condescending manner. if you look through the past 3 days you'll see it. I bet that wasn't the onl duer harassing black folks on twitter about how awesone Bernie is and being rude. If you want to know which name to look for, it starts with an S. I was sad to see it. My god.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #65)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:50 AM

79. Twitter drama isn't part of my life.

What can I say?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #79)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:08 AM

84. Heh.

 

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Response to gollygee (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:05 AM

57. ...but Hillary is very appreciated in the black and immigrant communities...

and Democratic voters need to understand the Clintons have been working with minority churches, Univision, and even seen the Clintons on visits for years! That explains some of the minority polls and respect - largely because of the Clinton Foundation, Hillary's work with the Children's Defense Fund, and many initiatives in addition to sponsored bills.

-----------------------From the Clinton Foundation---------------

No matter where they live, how much money they earn, or how busy they are, all parents want the same thing: They want what’s best for their child. They want to ensure their child is safe, that they’re healthy, that their life is full of opportunity, and that they have the best possible chance at success not just in school, but in life.

That’s why Too Small to Fail is working to help parents make the most of everyday moments in everyday places. Our idea is simple: any time is talk time. And, by talking, reading, and singing with children every day from birth, we can boost their early language and brain development, and ensure every child has the strong start they need. Whether doing the laundry, visiting the playground, or getting ready for bed – simple actions each and every day can make a big difference for a young child’s development.

Yesterday, at the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) America Meeting in Denver, Clinton Foundation Vice Chair Chelsea Clinton announced new Commitments to Action by Too Small to Fail and its partners that will reach parents of young children, and particularly those in underserved communities, in bold and innovative new ways – such as in a laundromat, or on the playground.

All three commitments utilize local community settings to help raise awareness about the importance of engaging with children from birth in order to develop healthier learning, language and brain development:

- See more at: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2015/06/10/any-time-talk-read-and-sing-time-too-small-fail-makes-3-new-commitments#sthash.F97GhyMM.dpuf

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Response to Sancho (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:31 PM

196. I know from expierence that the Hispanic community in Texas likes Hillary

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Response to Sancho (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:27 PM

204. Great, find me articles stating so that isn't from CGI or Clinton Foundation

 

Smarmy propaganda, that's what it is.

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #204)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:43 PM

224. I live it every day, and you wouldn't care what was printed...

so just look at the independent polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

You can pick through any you want - and several have been reported breakouts by minority.

The bottom like is that Hillary does well in the black and immigrant polls. The Clinton Foundation, Children's Defense Fund, and other efforts have been in those communities for decades. Partnerships with Univision, and Sesame Street.

You may not like it, but that's why Hillary is appreciated.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:48 AM

11. Links to an unsupported tweet with a Biden hashtag alleging harrassment by Sanders supporters

And you're a Sanders supporter?

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:50 AM

13. I wish they would stop. Hey Bernie supporters! Your peeps are bullying black folks all over the

 

internet. Seriously. It makes his supporters look like a bunch of liberal racists. Check each other on that shit. Tell your friends to stop lecturing black people and being rude and nasty. Stop playing the victim. Just stop. I'm seriously starting to hate the name Bernie Sanders. Even your avatars are pissing me off.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:51 AM

48. They ARE a bunch of liberal racists. That's the problem. They won't accept the fact that racism

 

exists.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #48)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:52 AM

49. I know. I see it right up in here. All the time.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:01 AM

54. I know you do, my friend. It should be very clear. I've stayed away from DU...

 

...for a few days now because of it.

Black voters are seeing what's right in front of our eyes.

And now we face a real dilemma.

Hillary Clinton is being shoved down our throats, but we don't like her ass, either. However, because the Democratic Party is hellbent on pushing her on us, it's like we have no other choice.

I only seem to like O'Malley right now, and even he is flawed.

Hell, I even like Chaffee at this point.

I've argued that if HRC is the nominee, we will have a Republican president. I have not waivered on my sentiment.

I just think HRC is too divisive and despite what any poll or survey suggests, black Americans really don't like the Clintons, either, especially after 2008. But we deal with them.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:07 AM

60. I feel the same way.

 

I'm over here giving O'malley a seconpd look because as you know, I cannot stand Hillary. I keep trying to like her, but I can't. Not after that last campaign, welfare reform and a whole list of other shit I won't even bother mentioning. There really nobody to look forward to. Webb? Hell no!
I was liking Bernie until his Stans started going off the chain trying to teach black folks civil right and shit talking black lives matter. I even think some people from here fucked around and tried to get into it with Black Twitter. This last few days though? Opend my eyes even wider. They bout to fall out my face with all the crazy Miss Millie victimhood I done seen up in here.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:38 AM

73. I love you Brave

Us Bernie supporters should be doing our best to combat ignorance but lets not pretend we can control what other humans on other sites are doing. We can lead by example, we can attempt to educate but we can't make people understand they are wrong.

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Response to Alittleliberal (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:53 AM

135. I know. Most of you are probably just as upset as I am. I still love you guys. Just not the few

 

who are acting out of pocket. I think by next week they'll mostly see that I was right. And truthfully, I think quite a few of the nastiest don't really support Sanders so much as hate Hillary and Obama. Those are the ones who are being nasty to me these days. Not the genuine supporters who actually like people.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #135)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:36 PM

191. Hang in there

Seems like an empty statement given the enormous amount of shit being thrown your way in real life and on DU.

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Response to Alittleliberal (Reply #191)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:37 PM

192. Lol!

 

I'll make it to that mountaintop!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:11 AM

86. The only lecturing I see are those aimed at Bernie and his supporters

 

Maybe if some evidence showing otherwise were to be posted, it would add some balance.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:12 AM

87. Go to your optician.

 

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:48 AM

133. You must've missed the last few days in America.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:38 PM

180. bravenak - I have to say I'm appalled at what I've been reading here. I'm so sorry.

I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm gob-smacked at how PoC and Black Lives Matter are being treated by "liberals" here and on twitter by my fellow "supporters". I have to say I'm just embarrassed and astonished.

If it was Code Pink at a Congressional hearing or a Mic Check at an Occupy rally - this is would be seen as a pivotal. In stead PoC are being bullied and trashed - called asses and idiots - all for seeking validation from Democratic Presidential candidates. I know some see this as blasting allies, but if an ally isn't apparently acknowledging life and death issues that are happening TODAY, you bet - step up the volume!

Allies cannot take for granted that their support is *known*. Like with a marriage - even if you *know* your spouse loves you - you still need to hear it out loud.


I know Sanders will learn from this and he'll grow as a candidate. I'm positive he knows that he blew it. I know he truly is an ally, but he needs to acknowledge and validate the very real life and death issues that face PoC in this nation and not circle back to economics at all turns.

Hopefully some of his supporters will take to opportunity to learn and grow as well. This is a beginning of a new civil rights movement and all Democrats and lefties need to step up and listen and link arms. PoC are a huge voting block and this movement is real.

Black Lives Matter. I hear you and I'm ready ready to get to work.


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Response to myrna minx (Reply #180)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:49 PM

184. Awww thank you!

 

I we are going to come together soon. Note: I am starting to think that many of the worst ones only support sanders for not so good reasons. Therefore they do not care about driving folks off, they actually never wanted us. The genuine supporters have been mostly nice to me.

I can see that the campaign is listening and I hope the supporters take cues from you and him and others who are getting it and trying to make change.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #184)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:43 PM

199. You're one of my favorite posters here. You keep this place together. Seriously.

You're always fair and reasoned. Whatever you have to say, I listen - because I know it's honest (and probably funny as hell!)

I think what's happening here is a whole lot of complicated stuff - a convergence of frustration and misunderstanding, poor binary logic and good old fashioned hateful trollery with plenty of disturbing racism. There has been some nasty horrible racism posted here that makes me sick - and It makes me sick that they're claiming to be Sanders supporters. Sanders may have some tone deaf moment's, but there's nothing about his passion for people that connects and reconciles with that at all. At all.

There are thoughtful supporters, rageful trolls, rageful supporters and people who truly do not understand.

How I see the BLM movement is that it's a very real and powerful civil rights movement that will change this country in profound and important ways. The passionate momentum these young people have brought to this movement is so inspiring and they're a force to be reckoned with! We are on the brink of real change. This is a good thing. I think there are some (white) liberal people who are misunderstanding this movement as an abstract idea of political theory rather then a- "NO - people are being killed every day - TODAY- we're serious - we need to change this NOW."

BLM isn't an abstract. This is real.

On DU, there seem to be some folks here who think if PoC take issue with allies like Sanders and O'Malley about their *messaging* -that it's an attack and that they're automatically Clinton supporters who are swift boating. I have no doubt that in politicking, some DUers may be try to lure PoC to her as a result of this fallout, but that's to be expected in politics.

I see this as an opportunity for Sanders and O'Malley to expand their understanding and broaden their outreach. If they *are* allies, as I know they are, they'll reach out. This is a learning opportunity if we want it. We white liberals need to take a long look at what our PoC friends and family are telling us - lives depend on it. Now isn't the time to be angry that a speech was interrupted, now is the time to respond to the emergency call made during the speech.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #199)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:56 PM

209. Thank you.

 

I see this as an opportunity too. This is a chance fo Bernie to break the hold that Hillary (full disclosure, I am not a fan, at all) has on the minority population.
If you see from last time, it was difficult to break her hold until Obama started winning. Right now Bernie has full access to the movement shoukd he choose to bring them in and elevate their concerns as a top priority on his agenda. The more he is see working with black people lik the effectively, it will help bring more in.
Those activist are much respected in the black community and you know this is the New Civil rights movement. It's not going anywhere because they will NOT STOP killing and abusing us. Their energy can help move his campaign to new heights. All he has to do is to bring them in and ask them, help me please, I care about your lives and want to help. We need that. We need his supporter to accept us as equals and see the pain and fear and behave as if it were their own pain and fear. I'm tearing up but I'm strong, we're strong, we really cannot go on like this. It is desparate. Honestly I wish that all the economic justice warriors would realize that we are the most reliable voting block. Throw on some black lives matter shirts and mobilize with us. Everywhere. Don't hate us. Help us. I just wish they would see how hard this is to keep having to tell other humans that we are too. We're human. Please stop treating us like animals. Stop letting us die while they fight over dollars and cents. We won't all live long enough for economic justice to reach us. Dead. Jail. Mortuary.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:52 AM

15. How's that "Attack the good guys because

 

you are afraid of the bad guys" working out for ya?

The moment I see your asses at a Jeb Bush forum and getting up and interrupting the actual political party that considers you lesser humans (to put it mildly), then and only then will I respond to your actions against Bernie and O'M.

Otherwise, quit doing stupid things that damage the best shot you have at getting any action regarding justice.

I'll be looking for ya.

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Response to Darb (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:54 AM

18. Ok yeah, you're who I'm talking to.

Say hello to President Clinton.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

28. It's not just Bernie fans that think their actions were ill-advised.

 

Believe that.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:56 AM

22. Thanks for writing this. I was just thinking about posting an 'ENOUGH with the BLM butthurt OPs' OP

If I didn't know better, I'd think every one of these so called 'defenses' of Sanders were simply trolling by people determined to make sure he doesn't get a single black vote.

Bernie dropped the ball, but Jesus, people on here have been doing their damndest to take the ball and shred it into pieces so small they can't be seen. Do any of you so-called 'supporters' see Bernie attacking BLM? Anyone? Buelller.... Bueller.... Bueller...

And after the chorus of crickets, no, of course you don't. Because Bernie is smart enough to know that that's the quickest damn way to piss off every black person out there. To not only IGNORE people protesting the murder of members of their communities at the hands of police, but to actively ATTACK them, repeatedly, on social media of all forms.

Really, the best advocates for voting for anyone BUT Bernie are the people calling themselves supporters here.

If you can't shut up already simply out of decent respect for the long list of the dead that are being protested, then shut up for the simple goal of actually electing Bernie. On the other hand, if you don't actually give a damn if he gets elected, and simply want to pound your chest in white martyrdom, then keep on whining about BLM this, BLM that, 'ambushes' and 'hecklers'.


Aaaaargh.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:13 AM

37. LET BERNIE DO THE TALKING ON THIS !!!!

 

That's what I think we supporters should do.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:15 AM

39. Agree 100%

He'll have a response. Stop getting nasty about BLM and other people of color and wait for it.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:25 AM

42. Yep. This.

As a Bernie supporter, I think it really is going to be up to him and the campaign to speak to these issues in a way that resonates. I trust him on social justice and civil rights issues, but I hear those who genuinely want to hear him speak more directly on these very important issues. I think he can do so, and I'm looking forward to it.

Our job as supporters is to try not to be dismissive or defensive (which is not helpful!) and listen. Don't make this worse.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:16 AM

40. What Harrasement

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:29 AM

44. You're well named. nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:01 AM

106. Personal Attacks - A Very Poor Debating Technique

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #106)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:58 AM

138. I wasn't actually 'debating' you. In fact, I almost never 'debate' anyone.

'Debate' is an artificial concept based upon the Roman notion of justice that he who speaks the most eloquently is right, not he who is right is right.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:49 AM

46. They are doing the same thing with Hillary. The Democrats have been trying to shove her racist

 

behind down our throats, too.

Black people aren't falling for it!

STOP IT!

We're not your pets.

Bernie is not gaining our support because he's putting class issues before race issues.

Black Ph.D.'s are not treated any better than Eric Garner. Until white people get that through their thick skulls, race relations will never move forward. Period.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:53 AM

50. As host of DUs Sanders group if you tell me which supporters are "harassing Black people

into voting for Sanders" I will post their names in our group and publicly admonish them. I also want links to their posts proving they are "harass Black people into voting for Sanders" . You can DU mail it to me if you wish.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:57 AM

53. You can read the posts and see people kick at BLM if you want to

but I have no intention of gathering people's posts. I quoted a tweet, and I've seen DU African Americans say they feel the same, I've seen posts kicking at BLM, and I'm tired of it. You can use your authority over your group how you want, but I am not obligated to do any work for you.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:02 AM

55. Well if you are quoting a tweet why are you directing your OP to DU Sanders supporters? n/t

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Response to Autumn (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:10 AM

62. Some of them was on twitter acting up too.

 

And they been acting up on here.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:17 AM

66. They use their DU names on twitter? I don't read tweets unless someone posts them.

If anyone is harassing someone to do anything on DU those posts should be alerted to the admins.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #66)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:21 AM

67. That person did. They use their real first name here too.

 

They don't see anything wrong with what they are doing. I don't think you can do much about it except to check them when they get out of pocket. Maybe you should check out the angry black lady, Imani Gandy on twitter and see what has been going on the last few days since netroots. And Elon Too, they follow each other and I follow them. If you read it, you'll understand perfectly what has been going on.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:09 AM

61. I AM SO GLAD HE IS BLOCKED FROM AA. NUMBER23!! YOU WERE RIGHT!! SORRY.

 

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:14 AM

64. That whole thread is a trainwreck. nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:27 AM

68. +1

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:28 AM

70. Damn good hide that was an ugly post.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #70)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:35 AM

71. Uhuh

Admonition to follow soon, no doubt.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:38 AM

74. Which part of that post is harassing Black people into voting for Sanders?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:46 AM

76. lol

That was predictable.

Quite the group you have there...

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #76)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:49 AM

78. Two ways Bobbie Jo, two ways. You pointed out an ugly post that was rightfully hidden.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:54 AM

81. Ok

I'm sure this poster is still a welcome addition to your group, they don't appear to have been blocked.

That's fine, it's your rodeo.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #76)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:50 AM

100. holee crap...that thread!!!!!

 

so much hate in one group...and it appears they are feeding off of each other. I think it's actually growing.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #100)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:57 AM

102. I look forward to the forthcoming

"public" admonitions.

That thread is an embarrassment.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #102)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:59 AM

105. You are so bright eyed and hopeful...I hate to burst your bubble

 

...so I won't tell you how acceptable I think those board moderators think that thread really is. Their participation should have been a clue.

So sorry.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #76)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:30 PM

205. You just gotta laugh, don't you????



Surely you're as surprised by that response as I am??

And of course, some of us have been grossed out and put off by the man's "supporters" months before the #BLM event fiasco even happened. http://www.democraticunderground.com/118714610

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Response to Number23 (Reply #205)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:32 PM

222. *smh*

I'll just say this about that...

be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

Or in this case...be unequivocal in what you ask for, you may have to find an out.


I missed your OP, (thanks for the link-I hate to miss your stuff) you called it then. But what we're seeing now is a whole nother level of WTF??

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Response to Autumn (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:48 AM

77. Would you rather call it harrassing black people into NOT voting for Sanders?

Because that's the effect all of the OPs and tweets slamming on BLM and 'defending' Sanders is having.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:59 AM

82. Call it what it is. People should always vote their conscience, one person goes into that

voting booth. One. That post in no way harassed anyone about voting for Bernie or not voting for Bernie. It was an ugly post, using an ugly slur that should no bet and was not tolerated that was hidden and the admins should look at that. Bernie Sanders supporters aren't going to shut up and not talk about Bernie any more than people are going to shut up and not talk about BLM. It's a discussion board, people discuss. I don't care about any tweets, that's crap that's not here on DU.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #82)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:05 AM

83. Call it what it is? Ok, it's trolling.

Yes, one person gets into that booth. After listening to all of the insults flowing from people who are calling themselves Sanders supporters toward black people, all of the condescending OPs on how BLM screwed up, ambushed, heckled, should be 'attacking' Republicans, not Democrats. You want to call it 'discussion', but it's 'discussion' that HURTS Sanders' chances to win the election. And anyone who actually gives a damn about Sanders winning should be condemning that sort of damnfoolishness from anyone else who claims to be a Sanders supporter. I want him to win, and he's going to lose votes he should have been able to get if people who identify as 'Sanders supporters' keep on with these sorts of 'discussions'. These are 'discussions' that belong on 'Discussionist', not DU.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #83)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:11 AM

85. Insults flow both ways. n/t

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Response to Autumn (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:13 AM

89. And does that help Bernie in any way?

I care more about votes than insults. Overlook the insults, and find ways to win votes. Don't revert to the playground 'tit for tat', 'he did it too!'ism. Cause that sure as hell isn't working out for Israel and Palestine, and all it will do is sink Bernie's chances.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #89)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:16 AM

90. It helps no one at all not Bernie, not O'Malley. Hillary or BLM. You have a nice day Erich

I have a busy day ahead.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:26 PM

141. Ooh, I was on that jury

 

I was the chipper one. That post was so far out of the bounds of being ok.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:30 PM

172. That should have resulted in more than a hide.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:41 PM

181. That has to be one of the ugliest things I've ever read here.

I'm just beyond.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #186)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:59 PM

200. That's just disgusting. That's nasty Alex Jones/ Glenn Beck bullshit.

After awhile they can't help but "de-cloak" their hate. He's no "comrade" - if I've followed his posts well, he's rather hostile to women and PoC imo. I'm so sorry you've had to deal with this shit here.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #200)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:42 PM

207. It's weird right? He assured me it's not racist at all. I guess I'm just blind.

 

See how it's the same folks doing all the dirty work? I see a pattern where the awesome supporters are drowned out by the foul.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #207)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:06 PM

213. He is no friend of mine - nor is that racist worldview, mine. My friend Scarlet Woman is a friend.

I *ADORE* her. We're both Sanders supporters - and we've actually met IRL.

There's a lot of mean spirited bullshit online - especially here unfortunately - and you always have to follow your gut - you always know when someone is a sexist and/or racist troll.

There are all sorts of "Sanders Supporters" here that I don't subscribe to, but anyone can be an asshole and have an avatar and a signature line. I'm so sorry you've had to deal with such cruel, racist BS. You're one of DU's best. I hope you stick around as our voice of reason. We need you.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #213)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:09 PM

214. I've decided that his 'supporters' that are acting like this are not supporters.

 

I will not be driven off that easily by a few jerks. It's fewer and fewer all the time. The dedicated ones who are horrible, are always like that, just different because the now have a name to hide behind. I love Scarlet Woman. She is the Business.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #214)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:26 PM

220. We're all just trying to figure it out. All I know is that

as a Sanders supporter, I'm behind the BLM movement - I feel the tectonic shift. We need to protect our precious PoC kids (and adults) from this power structure that discards them and harms them.

There will be a moment for some of the angry white people to *poof* - get it - and they will be embarrassed. For the others, there's work to do.

For the racist TROLLS - FU.


Scarlet Woman is the real deal. She's a gorgeous, intelligent, woman who can dance the 7 veils while arguing economic theory and gardening. She's a dream!

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:56 AM

52. Some Bernie Sanders supporters.....

....are his worst enemies. The amount of entitlement they seem to have, that is washing across the internet is stunning. Bernie is actually a pretty decent guy who had a misstep along his campaign path....it happens to the best of them, but they move on. His supporters lashing out in misguided efforts to defend his faux pas are doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to win him support or inroads towards attracting African Americans.

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Response to BooScout (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:47 AM

132. Exactly ...

... the only thing making Bernie look bad on this topic are his loudest, angriest, supporters.

Bernie could easily make the distinction that he needs to make here, and everything would be fine.

But now, what people are hearing from some of his most insane supporters may become associated with Bernie the candidate.

If you don't know much about him. And this response from his loudest supporters is your introduction, you might just drop him from consideration immediately. If these are how his supporters are like, what must HE be like?

That's the problem they are creating for him.

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Response to BooScout (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:17 PM

175. This. nt

 

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:07 AM

59. We do NOT need to protect Bernie Sanders!

He is on this. Do you all think he does not know what a fuck up that was? The best thing about being a Bernie Sanders supporter is knowing that he has this, that he has us. He will mess up, he is human. He could have handled this better, he is human. To think he has not already reached out to try to listen and correct this is idiocy.

We need to listen to those who are screaming. Do we listen to all people who are screaming? No, we don't and we should be discerning about who we do listen to. I doubt any of us are taking the squeals of The Donald to heart. This is something that we ALL care about. It is something so horrendous that we cry over it almost daily now so why are we not listening? Instead we are rallying around our candidate who does not need us to protect him. If he fails this we either suck it up and stay with him or look elsewhere. This is a perfect campaign experience. I think he will be fabulous but how many people will be lost because we can't just sit and listen?

I am sorry, I am annoyed. None of y'all want to hear this and not all of us need to hear this but really, we do not need to shield Bernie from criticism, we need to stop telling black people how to do this. After all the years they have suffered in this country to be in this place still, I can't imagine it. Listen to them and stop trying to bring them to Bernie. Let Bernie do that, it is his job. We need to be the back-up to whatever they think they need to be heard.

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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:13 AM

63. My gosh, you need to make this its own OP. Seriously. nt

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #63)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:40 AM

75. I guess I am mad enough

to do that. I rarely ever post an OP but if I am going to this is a good one. Thanks.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:28 AM

69. Yes!

Thank you! He can handle the criticism from BLM. Just let him respond!

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Response to gollygee (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:25 AM

119. The world may not be waiting but here at "Bernie Sander's World"....

it seems to be taking a really long time!

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:51 AM

101. Ah, this is where that came from. Well said. nt

 

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:29 PM

143. Eloquently stated

 

And exactly where I stand. It is not given us to tell people they need to be quiet on a life and death issue. Bernie will do his thing. He's been in the game for decades. He'll be just fine.

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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:51 AM

80. Meh. It's not being 'Bernie's followers' that is the problem.

EVERY candidate has followers who act like this at some point or other. I've seen this sort of knee jerk defensiveness and stupidity out of Clinton supporters, Obama supporters, and various other candidates in past races. O'Malley is just lucky he's got so few supporters atm, otherwise we'd be seeing his contingent too.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:29 AM

94. Bill and Hillary Clinton made $25 million in speaking engagements in approximately 16 months.

I wonder how many of those speeches were at a Net Roots event? Hillary has your interests at heart, for sure.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #94)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:05 AM

108. this has nothing to do with the op...weird.

 

I guess you also missed the posts describing her own boo'd event at Netroots, so choses not to go there. WTF does is matter that they can raise money for speaking events?

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:57 AM

103. Harassing only sometimes. At other times....

 

...shaming and badgering techniques are used.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:02 AM

107. Just b/c someone says online they are a Sanders supporter does not make it so. n/t


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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:06 AM

109. Not a word of the OP has an ounce of truth. This is a smear job. Nothing more.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:11 AM

110. I am watching it in real time on twitter. It's still going on. Check Elon's feed.

 

I don't know how that link was supposed to prove you case when it has absolutely nothing to do with the op. I guess it's just there for decoration. You all and those links that don't really help are confusing me.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #110)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:15 AM

112. Try this for a wider perspective:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465196

BLM is being played by The National Review Crowd.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #112)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:24 AM

118. Yawn. This is not helping grow black support at all calling us pawns of the right.

 

Fir real. Do you guys realize you are calling us useful idiots to our faces and ignoring the fact that we were watiching this unfold in real time? That is rude. Okay? Stop calling us stooges and making up conspiracies to figure out why Bernie is failing with us. We are telling you why and you are ignoring us and lecturing us on the REAL REASON. We know the real reason. It's happening to us. To me right now. This is why. You do not read a word I write and take it in and just accept it. You refuse to believe my on why he's losing support even though it's the same reason why he lost mine. He's fine with me, just a slipup. But his supporters? Omg. They know everything. They know more about black people thn black people. This is why berniesoblack.

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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:14 PM

140. No. This is a campaign where a candidate did not do well at an event.

 

Black twitter is not swiftboating. They are making fun of his supporters for stuff like this. You guys are like a parody.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #137)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:47 PM

145. It appears, by your posts, you have an obsession with Atwater...

to the extent it distorts your ability to see a valid concern expressed by the black community as anything other than a great Atwater conspiracy. Quite bizarre, imo.

Your utter dismissal of the voices expressing the concerns about social justice says so much more about you rather than those you dismiss as either stooges not smart enough to see what you see or deliberate conspirators out to destroy your candidate. You do neither yourself or your preferred candidate a service, your posts are a perfect example of what the OP is pointing out.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #145)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:59 PM

149. Can't believe he hates Game of Thrones.

 

I know this season was bad, but damn. It's a good show overall. I have heard Lee Atwater more this week than at any time in history.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #149)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:07 PM

151. Lol re Game of Thrones...

I read that and went ! I admit I don't watch the show but somehow I don't think the ghost of Atwater is the principal star in the show.

I am glad the post was hidden, every post with the bizarre and ugly conspiracy crap using Atwater needs to be hidden until the message gets through, imo.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #151)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:09 PM

152. It was so strange. Had absolutely nothing to do with anything.

 

He keeps busting out these Lee Atwater posts for like, all occasions. Somebody else is blaming Soros, which is still weird but not as wft as Atwater. Sigh, yay du primary season!!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #152)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:24 PM

157. I think if a post has anything, and I mean anything about the need to address social justice issues.

one is almost guaranteed to see an 'Atwater' reference appear in response, it is almost a reflexive response by those obsessed with him.

I saw the Soros accusation and laughed, desperate people say desperate and, often, unintentionally funny responses.

The NN protest was, imo, a 'teachable moment' for both Sanders and O'Malley, their initial responses were pretty bad but they aren't caterwauling all over the place, they are learning from it, a wise move.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #157)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:27 PM

159. The candidates had a minor slip up that could have been handled swiftly.

 

The supporters of Bernie though actually made it look worse than it was by their reaction.

Now I'm being called a pawn in a big weird conspiracy? Sigh. Too much. I wanna laugh but I'm berned out. Not even funny anymore.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #159)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:39 PM

160. True, not funny at all...

Most people have never met the candidates, don't know much about them usually, so can and will take into account the behavior of their supporters when considering which candidate they might decide to support.

Supporters do play a part, either negative or positive, in reflecting the views of their candidates, imo, and too many of Senator Sanders' supporters here on DU and elsewhere are creating a negative impact in my view.

I totally get why you are 'berned out' after reading the multitude of responses negating the concerns expressed by the black community on social justice issues.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:13 AM

111. +10000000

Karl Rove tactics at their most sociopathic

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Response to leveymg (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:32 AM

123. Wow, how did you catch me?!?!

I've been here since 2004, but all this time I haven't actually been a Democrat. I've been a part of the RW spin machine! I've been hiding among you and waiting, just waiting for this. Waiting for Bernie Sanders to run so I could Swiftboat him!!

/sarcasm

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:15 AM

113. #EggsForBernie

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:17 PM

154. I've seen 'eggs' used a lot

What is 'eggs' in twitterspeak?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #154)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:23 PM

156. People without profile pictures have



Scalia Is a Twitter Egg

Typically the most vocal of tweeters have twitter eggs.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #156)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:25 PM

158. Ah, thanks.

That's one of the few things I did do with my account, put up my pic, albeit one that's maybe 20 years old, heh.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:18 AM

114. I figured out what this feels like. You know how you get a pair of persistant Jehovah Witnesses

 

And you mess around and let them come in one time. Then they come in and start judging and telling you horrible portents of future doom if you don't accept their teachings and come to their savior or whatever? Like that but on the internet and not all christian and wheedling about it. It's like you skip right past the part where they sweet talk you and go straight to Revelations.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #114)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:29 PM

163. I know this is not funny,

not at all, but your comment here just made me snort. I may have to remember that one.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #163)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:33 PM

165. They don't even feed me cake and punch after the sermon. :)

 

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:43 AM

130. Another made up issue

 

nt

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #130)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:45 AM

131. Keep it up. nt

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:50 AM

134. We are not an oppressed people, my fellow Bernie supporters

 

Yes, we are getting screwed by the government, by banks and by an elite that doesn't care about our daily lives.
But being told we need to listen better by another group of citizens is in no way equal to their oppression.

Feelings when we hear we are not inclusive< feelings when we hear yet another member of our group has died at the hands of authority.


I don't know why I must put myself out there on this topic, but it could be that I am Latina. I see the white world and I see the minority world. I get a pass because I live in an area that is okay about the rapist, job stealing, drug dealing people. But I also know that I wouldn't be strong enough to be Black all day. Every day, in and out, year after year. Just the relentless amount of racism would do me in. Add on being targeted to die and having people mock it and laugh at it on the internet would be beyond soul crushing.

~~~~~~~~~~~I do not mean on this site. We are not mocking about that.~~~~~~~~~~~

But a lot of the reaction is sad. Very sad.

In 2008 on another site, I was told that there wasn't a place to rank oppression there. It wouldn't be tolerated. This was a white person who said this. It was a pretty white crowd. I thought at the time that they felt unheard and this was their space. It was kind of like being in a wheel chair and there being only stairs and the management saying it wasn't easy for them to get up the stairs either, so don't feel it is just difficult for you.

I should stop reading and commenting on the OPs like this. It is harshing my Bern.



I will vote for him and campaign hard. He is great in my book.


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Response to artislife (Reply #134)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:53 PM

146. ....

"But I also know that I wouldn't be strong enough to be Black all day. Every day, in and out, year after year. Just the relentless amount of racism would do me in. Add on being targeted to die and having people mock it and laugh at it on the internet would be beyond soul crushing. "


To be Black in America.....POWERFUL!!!!

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Response to Stellar (Reply #146)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:58 PM

148. You are !!

 

In my opinion, a strength like no other.

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Response to artislife (Reply #148)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:20 PM

155. + 100

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Response to artislife (Reply #134)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:53 PM

147. All Bernie supporters are not straight white males. nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #147)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:02 PM

150. That's true

 

My meaning is that being a Bernie supporter doesn't put us in the oppressed catagory.

Our real life might, but not by being a supporter.

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Response to artislife (Reply #134)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:41 PM

168. This is perfection.

We all have our situations.

I was never effective working on mine, I could not look outside my box and be anything but ANGRY! It did not work.

When I started working on the rights of others I got it.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:06 PM

161. After reading a lot of comments and OPs

about these issues, I start seeing things a bit differently:

There are (at least on the left) three big movements in the
country right now.
1) A movement for economic justice

2) A new Civil Rights movement

3) A movement concerning Climate Change

#3 is probably the smallest one, because it demands
tremendous sacrifice from all of us.

#2 is and has been long overdue, but is demanding
the PTB to make changes, which are unfortunately
not welcome in some quarters.

#1 is a thorn in even democratic circles.

All three come at the same time and find their defenders
and in some cases their candidates. The problem seems
to be that supporters of anyone of these movements are
fighting each other for 1st place on the agenda.

Since that is causing friction, there are fights.

I don't know what will come from this, but it does
not look promising, imho.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #161)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:10 PM

162. YES!!!

 

And the fact that we can want all three is true, too. It is the fight to the top.

Immediately I want all to change right now.

But if I were to choose, I would say losing number 3 negates any gains in the other two

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:33 PM

164. I guess you missed the latest polls? HRC continues to have overwhelmingly high numbers, it's

 

pretty much wrapped up. But then it always was for the anointed one.

No worries, HRC had this in the bag long before this kerfuffle came up. and of course she wasn't there at NRN Phoenix rally, so you know, she's way a head of the game on this one..

And don't forget when she goes to campaign in the South like she did in 2007/2008 her authenticity creds will really shoot through the roof.

So relax.. enjoy the Ruling Class's dog and pony show. it's all good..



just in case:



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Response to 2banon (Reply #164)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:34 PM

166. I suppose she must be brushing up on her various accents then.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #166)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:22 PM

176. ahem...

#BernieSoBlack Hillary is practicing his accent...

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #176)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:24 PM

177. Hee hee!! That's what I was thinking.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #177)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:31 PM

178. Elon James White just posted a diary over at Daily Kos about the protest.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #178)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:32 PM

179. Un oh. After the Nicole Sandler thing this has to be good.

 

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:35 PM

167. Bernie supporters are knee capping Bernie's campaign when they launch these attacks

 

It's crazy and foolish.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:42 PM

169. It's working about this well.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #169)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:29 PM

171. Oh my.

Facepalm.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #171)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:58 PM

174. Thank you for your op.

 

Sanders is one seriously good egg. So are almost every one of his supporters.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:14 PM

187. Mahalo for making this an OP, gollygee. There's some Bernie supporters on DU who get it.. thank you!

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:17 PM

189. Let me know how this "Race Bait & Guilt Trip " campaign is working for y'all

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #193)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:40 AM

228. As you noted in a response, that is racist. I would expect someone posting that to get the boot.

 

I recognize the names of many of the folks posting the most over the top stuff here to, in their minds, defend Bernie, as some of the folks who have been attacking President Obama the hardest over the last six years.

They had no sympathy or empathy for supporters of the President. Now they are outraged that we would dare question or criticize their candidate at all and are grabbing for and posting some of the most vile things to defend him (and accomplishing the exact opposite).

It's something to watch.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #189)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 04:21 AM

226. "Race, bait, and guilt trip"? is that what you're calling supporters of the #BlackLivesMatter

Protesters?

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Response to Cha (Reply #226)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:04 PM

229. there you go again

 

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Response to uhnope (Reply #229)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:11 PM

230. There I go again?

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:07 PM

201. looks like Hillary supporters have found their wedge...

 

...on second thought...


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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:11 PM

202. Hi there Gollygee. I'm a fan of Bernie Sanders.

 

Now, over in this other thread, you are on record stating that I, and all other people who support Sanders are specifically more racist, more hateful than the klan and skinheads.

Now, you don't know me - that much is obvious! - but I've had some go-around with skinheads. These are people who get a laugh out of actively trying to murder black people. Who think the holocaust was a good idea that bears repeating. who like stomping around in their unlaced boots looking for someone with melanin or a beard to practice their American History X curb-stomping skills on. They teach their kids that it's okay to kill nonwhites, so long as you have a friend to give you an alibi.

According to you, i'm worse than these guys, simply because i support Senator Sanders' bid for the presidency. I will grant that history has proven very directly that i'm better in a fight than they are. But a worse person? More racist, more hateful?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #202)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:14 PM

203. That's bullshit

I said that skinheads are willfully hateful, not clueless. Some Sanders supporters are clueless, not hateful. I NEVER said anyone at DU was hateful toward people of color, and particularly not more hateful. I did say some people are clueless, and that's just the plain truth.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #203)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:55 PM

208. It's right there, plain as day.

 

Aikoaiko asked another poster the question,
"... the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world ..." Bernie fans?

Not the teabaggers? Not the klan? Not skinheads?
Not Trump supporters? Not rush ditto heads?


You think Bernie supporters are " the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world "?


You answered this question with...

Star Member gollygee (18,199 posts)
58. They aren't clueless. They're willfully hateful.

As far as clueless goes, yeah I think she's right.


So please, do explain to me how I am willfully hateful, worse than the klan and skinheads, becuase I support bernie Sanders.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #208)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:58 PM

210. Plain as day

The teabaggers, klan, skinheads, etc. aren't racially clueless. They're hateful. There's nothing racially clueless about skinheads. They know exactly what they're doing. Why in God's name would I say Sanders supporters were the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world? Some are clueless, but just clueless. Oh wait, some are nasty, like this from you.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #210)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:01 PM

211. I don't know why you would. That's why I want to know why you did.

 

And you really think being held to your own words is "nasty"? really?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #211)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:03 PM

212. I didn't

It's clear that "they" refers to the skinheads, etc. Anyone reading that without an agenda can see that. I don't give a rat's ass what you personally think.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #212)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:11 PM

215. No, that's not remotely clear

 

A question is asked of another poster, whether they believe "Bernie supporters are " the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world "?

You respond to the question by saying "They aren't clueless. They're willfully hateful. "

Now, the only agenda I have is wanting to know why my choice of a political candidate makes me a worse, more hateful human being than some bonehead fucks who put a knife in a good friend's armpit.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #215)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:12 PM

216. You saw that there was another part to that post? That's the part my "they're not clueless . ."

refered to.

But whatever. Just keep kicking my thread. Thanks.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #216)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:17 PM

217. So then.

 

The intent was "Those groups are not clueless?" Is that how it's meant to be read?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #217)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:17 PM

218. They. They are multiple people.

Thanks for another kick.

Oh, they're multiple groups too. I was going for that plural thing.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #218)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:22 PM

219. "They" could easily apply to either clump being referred to in the post

 

The question you certainly appear to be answering is specifically about Sanders supporters.

It is not clear from the text as-written that you intended your response towards the other groups mentioned.

Fine. Like I said, I don't know why you would make such a claim, and even though it really really looks like that's what you claimed... Okay. It depends on the reading, I read wrong. It's a sore button sort of thing for me.

You have my apologies, and another kick.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #219)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:28 PM

221. I probably should have typed it all out

I have family visiting and I've spent a lot of time at boring places showing them around (though there isn't all that much to do here) watching them marvel at various bodies of water, and doing stuff on my cell phone. I might have typed it on that, and I'm not good at that.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #221)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:39 PM

223. I got ya. Sorry for bulling on you.

 

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 04:58 AM

227. Speaking as one Hillary supporter.. I backed #BlackLivesMatter long before I became

a supporter of hers.

This is about #BlackLivesMatter and standing with the Protestors at NRN.. and I will post tweets from the Black Community's reactions on how it has affected them.

When Sanders first started his campaign there were Black members of DU asking why he hadn't mentioned concerns they have and about his strategy. They were immediately scorned and tried to be silenced and accused of "calling Bernie a racist!". All of us were, too, who dared to question him.

It couldn't have been further from the truth.. and here we are after NRN.. and now they're accusing HC backers of creating a "wedge issue".. sorry, this is about #BlackLivesMatter.. their people are dying.. and some are goin' on about "wedge issues".. really?

Thank you again for your OP, gollygee.. I hope the concerns you have about your candidate are positively solved.

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Response to gollygee (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:34 AM

235. I just did a post like that this morning...

and I was actually kind of fed-up with it sorry about that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7001445



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