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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:07 AM Jul 2015

Hillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy: Coups, Dictators, Corruption, Chaos, Executions and Assassination

Honduras

In 2009 Hillary showed what she really means by “smart power” and backed the military coup in Honduras over the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya. Zelaya was getting too close to Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and neocons such as Hillary feared another left-wing government in Latin America.

Coup leaders seized President Zelaya in the middle of the night and flew him to exile in Costa Rico. But first they stopped at a U.S. military base in Honduras, SOUTHCOM Joint Task Force-Bravo. Hillary said it was a “surprise visit”.
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Libya

Hillary’s liberal mask fell off in her glee over the carnage in Libya. We get to see the hideous face of a neocon that celebrates the brutal anal rape with a bayonet and the murder of Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi. Hillary delights in taking the responsibility. (Watch here.)
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Egypt

During the Arab Spring in Egypt, Hillary showed her preference for dictators and military coups, what she calls “smart power”. After the U.S. had backed Dictator Hosni Mubarak of Egypt for 30 years the Obama administration decided to cut him loose. It was 30 years overdue.

Hillary says she opposed abandoning Mubarak, because he was a long-time friend of the U.S. She did not care what the people of Egypt wanted.
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Hillary Neoconservative

No one needs to guess at what a President Hillary Clinton administration would be like. She would continue her disastrous neoconservative ways. She would continue the unending wars, especially if she were to appoint a Cabinet full of neocons such as Michele Flournoy.

Hillary supporter Flournoy is a co-founder of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). It is the successor neocon think-tank for a Project for a New American Century (PNAC). CNAS is funded by the military industrial complex; the same ones funding Hillary’s campaign.
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Hillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy: Coups, Dictators, Corruption, Chaos, Executions and Assassination (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 OP
That sure is a lot for someone who supposedly accomplished nothing as Sec. of State. RandySF Jul 2015 #1
Generally, when we speak of accomplishments, we are referring to FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #9
That was nicely understated. eom leveymg Jul 2015 #61
She's a great uniter, you can give her that HFRN Jul 2015 #2
Those are pretty close to being the same thing I guess. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #40
Yes, basically the same. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #63
oooohooooh. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #65
Neo-Liberal economists seek to "liberate" the economy from regulation. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #66
K&R Scuba Jul 2015 #3
This is alarming. We should all get our news from a site called 'The Real News.' onehandle Jul 2015 #4
This is more of an opinion/analysis piece Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #11
Opinion coming from 'The Real News?' onehandle Jul 2015 #17
You never heard of theRealNews.com? It's actually a very good site... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #18
That's the second place that I go to for "news"... George II Jul 2015 #32
Why the rofl's? bluedigger Jul 2015 #56
And then there's Newsmax okasha Jul 2015 #35
Real News Network is very educational! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #37
K & R Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #5
thank you! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #19
... SidDithers Jul 2015 #6
Gift of Freedom? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #16
Far too many were killed in the process of getting 'the gift of freedom', "collateral damage" peacebird Jul 2015 #27
yes thanks peacebird Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #28
Cheese Roll... obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2015 #26
thank you! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #30
K & R snagglepuss Jul 2015 #7
thanks! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #38
I wasn't aware that Hillary Clinton was President... brooklynite Jul 2015 #8
So . . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #12
Let's see how Bernie felt... brooklynite Jul 2015 #14
And the redirect . . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #15
He had reservations about the expense, okasha Jul 2015 #34
Really. His objection to the expense was that it would take away from funding the safety net. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #36
"Conservative"? Stinging indictment indeed. George II Jul 2015 #44
You are under the wrong impression FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #13
Your main and explicit argument is that Hillary wasn't a free agent, delrem Jul 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #10
ya know... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #25
If you're so upset with Hillary Clinton, why is every post of yours plastered with pictures of her? George II Jul 2015 #45
I was just trying out a new signature line Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #48
The author also loves him some Benghazi ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #20
Did you actually read that? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #22
He seems like a good guy. Lot's of thoughtful articles... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #24
Honduras is the most damning. askew Jul 2015 #21
Honduras was a tricky one Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #23
Oh, but didn't you hear? bvar22 Jun 2016 #71
K&R pa28 Jul 2015 #29
thanks! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #33
Her tenure as Secretary of State was one disaster after another. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #31
Seems pretty horrid. I'm still learning more about it. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #39
Ah, the master of the one-liner. Can you say anything other than that or... George II Jul 2015 #46
Yes! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #47
Her performance as SOS disqualifies her from consideration for higher officce. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #68
This looks like a Fox News hit piece. George II Jul 2015 #41
No way bro. More of an emo-prog chomskyite. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #42
thing is, a back-Facussé and kill-Qaddafi candidate can't really play at being anyone's champion MisterP Jul 2015 #49
except maybe the MIC and the 1% Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #50
There's a reason why they don't want us to talk about issues, why they keep sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #51
"Sanders has thistledown hair! MisterP Jul 2015 #55
When we stick to the issues, and to the political records of the candidates, Bernie wins, sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #59
syrup-sucking Yid witch! MisterP Jul 2015 #62
K&R azmom Jul 2015 #52
thanks! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #69
Meanwhile 19 killed today in Baghdad warrant46 Jul 2015 #53
Kissinger is her mentor and friend. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #54
Anybody who cares about basic human decency should be scared off by that alone. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #58
Kissenger should be politically toxic. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #67
K&R tularetom Jul 2015 #57
You cannot support war and support women. Global stats prove that. It really is that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #60
War sucks. Especially needless wars for profit and empire. That's my thinking on the subject. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #64
The legacy of every Wall St supporter. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #70

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
9. Generally, when we speak of accomplishments, we are referring to
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jul 2015

positive and helpful acts. Hillary is the bringer of death and destruction, something which makes her gleeful. It would be inartful to call death and destruction "accomplishments".

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
66. Neo-Liberal economists seek to "liberate" the economy from regulation.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jul 2015

to enable the ultra-wealthy to become insanely wealthy. Privatize govt functions so they can get ahold of that money, and austerity for the masses until they're bled dry.
Neoconservative is a foreign policy to enact neoliberal economic policy. Either use IMF disaster capitalism to force a country to surrender its economy, or use coups or invasions to set up a puppet govt to allow the Neo-Liberal economy to be put in place. Prime examples are the 1973 coup in Chile, or the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Neither country posed a military or security risk, but the neo-libs wanted to create Neo-Liberal "Utopias".

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. This is alarming. We should all get our news from a site called 'The Real News.'
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

When Hillary is President, she should dismantle all 'news organizations' except 'therealnews.com'

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
17. Opinion coming from 'The Real News?'
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jul 2015

But it's called 'The Real News.'

If it's not news, maybe they should call themselves 'The Real Bullshit.'

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
18. You never heard of theRealNews.com? It's actually a very good site...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jul 2015

You should check it out sometime.


 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
37. Real News Network is very educational!
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 04:06 PM - Edit history (1)

check this out. This is Bill Fletcher's show on Real News.

I found it educational



brooklynite

(94,740 posts)
8. I wasn't aware that Hillary Clinton was President...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jul 2015

I was under the impression that she was carrying out the foreign policy of President Obama.

brooklynite

(94,740 posts)
14. Let's see how Bernie felt...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jul 2015
SANDERS: I have reservations about our involvement in Libya. I mean, we are in a huge deficit. We are in two wars. And I would become somewhat conservative on that issue.


"Reservations..." A stinging indictment if I ever heard one.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
34. He had reservations about the expense,
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jul 2015

not humanitarian concerns. Interesting.

It fits with his emphasis on economic, as opposed to social, justice.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
36. Really. His objection to the expense was that it would take away from funding the safety net.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jul 2015
well, here’s my concern. we have lost thousands of lives in afghanistan and iraq. and at the end of the day, those are going to cost us trillions of dollars. i think fighting two wars simultaneously may well be enough. i’m not sure i want to see this country drawn into a third war, which will cost us substantial sums of money. i hope the president will tell us today that if our friends in europe, if the uk, france and italy feel very strongly about this issue, i hope they will do what they want to do. but i am not enthusiastic about the united states getting drawn into a third war when we have a $14 trillion national debt and when we have lost so many lives already in afghanistan and iraq.

>> at the same time, don’t we have to be honest about the nature of our energy dependency, particularly oil as an overland transportation fuel? and the hypocrite call relationship of foreign policy relationship with any number of countries as we’ve tried to maintain a balance of power?

>> my own view is we have to move as quickly as possible away from foreign oil where we’re spending about $350 billion a year, move to energy independence, move to energy efficiency and to sustainable energy. but we cannot continue to keep going to war in the middle east every time there is a crisis there. look, the truth of the matter is, i am focusing right now on a budget situation where our republican friends want to devastate programs like head start, the social security administration, college grants, the middle class and working class families, the environmental protection agency. their arguing is there’s not enough money to funding those programs. meanwhile, we’re spending more on a third war in libya. my hope is the president will tell us today that our involvement there is going to end very, very shortly.

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/03/28/defining-the-mission-in-libya/

delrem

(9,688 posts)
43. Your main and explicit argument is that Hillary wasn't a free agent,
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jul 2015

that she was just mindless software programmed by Obama. So your main and explicit argument is the ultimate excuse - it's that Hillary should take no blame, or credit, for anything in her historical legacy. But your secondary and implicit argument is that all that death and destruction doesn't matter to you, not even the teeniest bit. You were good with it then, and you will be good with even more of the same in the future.

All I can say is that my politics is different than yours, and although I know I could never persuade you to change your political views in any way shape or form, I'll continue to oppose your politics of warmongering death and destruction with every breath I take.

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
24. He seems like a good guy. Lot's of thoughtful articles...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jul 2015
http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/category/170-more-blog-posts-from-david-william-pear


1 Hillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy: Coups, Dictators, Corruption, Chaos, Executions and Assassination
2 Solar Power: Fiddling While the Earth Burns
3 NEOLIBERALISM: Austerity vs. The Affluent Society
4 Cuba Si, Yankee Imperialism No! End the Blockade of Cuba.
5 Afghanistan: “The Ghost of Vietnam”
6 Africa: Nigeria and “Our Girls”
7 Africa: Slavery, King Cotton and the Industrial Revolution.
8 Africa: Incredible Wealth, Exploitation, Corruption and Poverty for its People.
9 Africa: South Sudan, Oil and War
10 First Strike Capability: Would the US be the first to use the bomb again?
11 Domestic Spying and Continuity of Government.
12 “Why aren’t the 50% living in poverty protesting in the streets?”
13 Will the Real President Obama Please Step Forward?
14 Standing Your Ground While Black in Florida…and in 24 Other States
15 “Benghazi-gate”: A Window into the Secret War in Libya by the CIA.
16 “Won’t Back Down”: A movie that is out to undermine public education is playing now at a theater near you.
17 “Torture and Apartheid: The Criminalization of Homelessness and The War against Beggars, Tramps and Panhandlers in American Cities”
18 “President Morsi’s Balancing Act”
19 The Quadrillion Dollar Question?

askew

(1,464 posts)
21. Honduras is the most damning.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jul 2015

With Honduras, she was actively working against Obama's wishes on Honduras.

And the leader that she helped put into place in Honduras made the country so terrifying that droves of children were fleeing to our borders. Then, Hillary callously said to send them all back. That alone should be disqualifying for the presidency. Those poor children were being sent back to a nightmare that she helped to create.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
23. Honduras was a tricky one
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

In some early statements I think she was calling it an illegitimate coup. It seems like that was more just for cover story though.

But she moved to recognize the new government first, when all the other countries were still calling for the return of the elected government.

I think I'm remembering that right. Someone else can probably say it better.



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
71. Oh, but didn't you hear?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary is a strong advocate for women and children.
She says so herself!

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
31. Her tenure as Secretary of State was one disaster after another.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jul 2015

If Hilary had her way, we'd be thee years into a war in Syria right now.

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. Ah, the master of the one-liner. Can you say anything other than that or...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:38 PM
Jul 2015

.....copying/pasting articles from dubious sites?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
47. Yes!
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jul 2015

The article is really a blog post. It's a blog post. A bloggers opinion. And not only is the site non-dubious, the site is actually fucking awesome, one of the best news analysis sites on the internet.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. There's a reason why they don't want us to talk about issues, why they keep
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jul 2015

beating a dead horse that is going nowhere, but is intended to DISTRACT. Thank you for keeping it ON THE ISSUES.

Hillary supports WAR. WAR is bad for women and bad for minorities, particularly the dark skinned people in the countries we invade. Empires do that, for their resources.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
55. "Sanders has thistledown hair!
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jul 2015

who knows what baby-swapping, cradle-robbing fey blood he might have!"

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
59. When we stick to the issues, and to the political records of the candidates, Bernie wins,
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jul 2015

hands down. I wish people would realize this, not take the bait, and go look at all of their records on the major issues of the past several decades.

No wonder they are working so hard to try to distract people. Their candidate doesn't look so good when you STICK TO THE ISSUES! Lol!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
62. syrup-sucking Yid witch!
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jul 2015

but, yes, in fact every time they try a smear or slam or just an insinuation every Sandersonian (?) puts up 2-20 videos directly contradicting it, fresh from C-SPAN, a year or 20 years old

so, why are the official faction pushing so hard for issues that they know they'll lose, to be defeated in detail?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
60. You cannot support war and support women. Global stats prove that. It really is that
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jul 2015

simple.

Another reason why I support Bernie, he opposed all of our Imperial Wars for profit.

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