2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton’s Neocon Legacy: Coups, Dictators, Corruption, Chaos, Executions and Assassination
In 2009 Hillary showed what she really means by smart power and backed the military coup in Honduras over the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya. Zelaya was getting too close to Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and neocons such as Hillary feared another left-wing government in Latin America.
Coup leaders seized President Zelaya in the middle of the night and flew him to exile in Costa Rico. But first they stopped at a U.S. military base in Honduras, SOUTHCOM Joint Task Force-Bravo. Hillary said it was a surprise visit.
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Hillarys liberal mask fell off in her glee over the carnage in Libya. We get to see the hideous face of a neocon that celebrates the brutal anal rape with a bayonet and the murder of Libyas Muammar Gaddafi. Hillary delights in taking the responsibility. (Watch here.)
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During the Arab Spring in Egypt, Hillary showed her preference for dictators and military coups, what she calls smart power. After the U.S. had backed Dictator Hosni Mubarak of Egypt for 30 years the Obama administration decided to cut him loose. It was 30 years overdue.
Hillary says she opposed abandoning Mubarak, because he was a long-time friend of the U.S. She did not care what the people of Egypt wanted.
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No one needs to guess at what a President Hillary Clinton administration would be like. She would continue her disastrous neoconservative ways. She would continue the unending wars, especially if she were to appoint a Cabinet full of neocons such as Michele Flournoy.
Hillary supporter Flournoy is a co-founder of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). It is the successor neocon think-tank for a Project for a New American Century (PNAC). CNAS is funded by the military industrial complex; the same ones funding Hillarys campaign.
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Read More: http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/170-more-blog-posts-from-david-william-pear/2458-hillary-clintons-neocon-legacy-coups-dictators-corruption-chaos-executions-and-assassination
RandySF
(59,250 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)positive and helpful acts. Hillary is the bringer of death and destruction, something which makes her gleeful. It would be inartful to call death and destruction "accomplishments".
leveymg
(36,418 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)neoliberals and neocons
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts).
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Neo-Con is the foreign policy, Neo-Lib is the economic policy.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)oh ok that makes sense.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)to enable the ultra-wealthy to become insanely wealthy. Privatize govt functions so they can get ahold of that money, and austerity for the masses until they're bled dry.
Neoconservative is a foreign policy to enact neoliberal economic policy. Either use IMF disaster capitalism to force a country to surrender its economy, or use coups or invasions to set up a puppet govt to allow the Neo-Liberal economy to be put in place. Prime examples are the 1973 coup in Chile, or the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Neither country posed a military or security risk, but the neo-libs wanted to create Neo-Liberal "Utopias".
Scuba
(53,475 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)When Hillary is President, she should dismantle all 'news organizations' except 'therealnews.com'
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It is a blog post.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)But it's called 'The Real News.'
If it's not news, maybe they should call themselves 'The Real Bullshit.'
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You should check it out sometime.
George II
(67,782 posts)....right after the National Inquirer!
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)That was totally believable.
okasha
(11,573 posts)and rightwingnews. All great sources for the Really True Truth!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 04:06 PM - Edit history (1)
check this out. This is Bill Fletcher's show on Real News.
I found it educational
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)
edit to add: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Tables
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)brooklynite
(94,740 posts)I was under the impression that she was carrying out the foreign policy of President Obama.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)she was "just following orders." That defense was destroyed during the Nuremburg Trials.
brooklynite
(94,740 posts)"Reservations..." A stinging indictment if I ever heard one.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)not humanitarian concerns. Interesting.
It fits with his emphasis on economic, as opposed to social, justice.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)>> at the same time, dont we have to be honest about the nature of our energy dependency, particularly oil as an overland transportation fuel? and the hypocrite call relationship of foreign policy relationship with any number of countries as weve tried to maintain a balance of power?
>> my own view is we have to move as quickly as possible away from foreign oil where were spending about $350 billion a year, move to energy independence, move to energy efficiency and to sustainable energy. but we cannot continue to keep going to war in the middle east every time there is a crisis there. look, the truth of the matter is, i am focusing right now on a budget situation where our republican friends want to devastate programs like head start, the social security administration, college grants, the middle class and working class families, the environmental protection agency. their arguing is theres not enough money to funding those programs. meanwhile, were spending more on a third war in libya. my hope is the president will tell us today that our involvement there is going to end very, very shortly.
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/03/28/defining-the-mission-in-libya/
George II
(67,782 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)that she was just mindless software programmed by Obama. So your main and explicit argument is the ultimate excuse - it's that Hillary should take no blame, or credit, for anything in her historical legacy. But your secondary and implicit argument is that all that death and destruction doesn't matter to you, not even the teeniest bit. You were good with it then, and you will be good with even more of the same in the future.
All I can say is that my politics is different than yours, and although I know I could never persuade you to change your political views in any way shape or form, I'll continue to oppose your politics of warmongering death and destruction with every breath I take.
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm not a singe issue voter, but if I was, that would probably be the issue.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Benghazi-gate: A Window into the Secret War in Libya by the CIA.
http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/170-more-blog-posts-from-david-william-pear/1325-benghazi-gate-a-window-into-the-secret-war-in-libya-by-the-cia
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)1 Hillary Clintons Neocon Legacy: Coups, Dictators, Corruption, Chaos, Executions and Assassination
2 Solar Power: Fiddling While the Earth Burns
3 NEOLIBERALISM: Austerity vs. The Affluent Society
4 Cuba Si, Yankee Imperialism No! End the Blockade of Cuba.
5 Afghanistan: The Ghost of Vietnam
6 Africa: Nigeria and Our Girls
7 Africa: Slavery, King Cotton and the Industrial Revolution.
8 Africa: Incredible Wealth, Exploitation, Corruption and Poverty for its People.
9 Africa: South Sudan, Oil and War
10 First Strike Capability: Would the US be the first to use the bomb again?
11 Domestic Spying and Continuity of Government.
12 Why arent the 50% living in poverty protesting in the streets?
13 Will the Real President Obama Please Step Forward?
14 Standing Your Ground While Black in Florida and in 24 Other States
15 Benghazi-gate: A Window into the Secret War in Libya by the CIA.
16 Wont Back Down: A movie that is out to undermine public education is playing now at a theater near you.
17 Torture and Apartheid: The Criminalization of Homelessness and The War against Beggars, Tramps and Panhandlers in American Cities
18 President Morsis Balancing Act
19 The Quadrillion Dollar Question?
askew
(1,464 posts)With Honduras, she was actively working against Obama's wishes on Honduras.
And the leader that she helped put into place in Honduras made the country so terrifying that droves of children were fleeing to our borders. Then, Hillary callously said to send them all back. That alone should be disqualifying for the presidency. Those poor children were being sent back to a nightmare that she helped to create.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)In some early statements I think she was calling it an illegitimate coup. It seems like that was more just for cover story though.
But she moved to recognize the new government first, when all the other countries were still calling for the return of the elected government.
I think I'm remembering that right. Someone else can probably say it better.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Hillary is a strong advocate for women and children.
She says so herself!
pa28
(6,145 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)If Hilary had her way, we'd be thee years into a war in Syria right now.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)George II
(67,782 posts).....copying/pasting articles from dubious sites?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The article is really a blog post. It's a blog post. A bloggers opinion. And not only is the site non-dubious, the site is actually fucking awesome, one of the best news analysis sites on the internet.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)beating a dead horse that is going nowhere, but is intended to DISTRACT. Thank you for keeping it ON THE ISSUES.
Hillary supports WAR. WAR is bad for women and bad for minorities, particularly the dark skinned people in the countries we invade. Empires do that, for their resources.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)who knows what baby-swapping, cradle-robbing fey blood he might have!"
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)hands down. I wish people would realize this, not take the bait, and go look at all of their records on the major issues of the past several decades.
No wonder they are working so hard to try to distract people. Their candidate doesn't look so good when you STICK TO THE ISSUES! Lol!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)but, yes, in fact every time they try a smear or slam or just an insinuation every Sandersonian (?) puts up 2-20 videos directly contradicting it, fresh from C-SPAN, a year or 20 years old
so, why are the official faction pushing so hard for issues that they know they'll lose, to be defeated in detail?
azmom
(5,208 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)warrant46
(2,205 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Obviously she's using Chile as a model.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)simple.
Another reason why I support Bernie, he opposed all of our Imperial Wars for profit.