2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhere Was Hillary? - Chris Weigant/HuffPo
Where Was Hillary?Chris Weigant - HuffPo
Posted: 07/20/2015 8:24 pm EDT Updated: 07/20/2015 10:59 pm EDT
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This being a Lefty convention, security was of course not called to remove the protestors (which would likely have happened to them in just about any other setting, I should point out). Instead, their spokesperson was invited up on stage and given a microphone. O'Malley had the majority of his time co-opted by the 15-minute speech by the spokesperson which followed. O'Malley then royally stepped in it by saying "Black lives matter" and for some reason then felt compelled to add "White lives matter." You could hear an audible groan in the room when he said this (and repeated it, for emphasis). O'Malley did try to actually debate the protestors, but soon learned that they didn't want a discussion at all, since they immediately shouted down anything he tried to say.
Sanders handled things differently. After O'Malley left, Sanders was also interrupted by chanting. Sanders tried to answer the protestors a few times, but soon realized the futility of doing so, and instead just shouted them down by addressing the rest of the audience who had come to hear the candidates speak. The protestors were loud, but Sanders had amplification on his side, since he had a microphone. Sanders did fashion his remarks to answer the issues the protestors were raising, and laid out his own extensive record of championing civil rights before telling the audience what he'd do to change things as president.
Now, Bernie Sanders was around in the 1960s. He's seen protests aplenty. And my guess is that he's also no stranger to Lefties bickering among themselves. There certainly were a lot of splinter groups struggling with splinter groups back then. As there are now (remember the Occupy Wall Street general assemblies?). So Sanders didn't give the same deer-in-the-headlights performance that O'Malley did -- but speaking to various people afterwards, Sanders did come across to some as too forceful, by basically ignoring the protestors for much of his time.
Audience reactions were mixed in general. Some even tried to shout down the protestors with "Let him speak!" chants. Some thought the protest was great street theater. But most of the people I talked to showed at least some degree of exasperation with the protestors, and felt they had wasted an opportunity to have a real conversation. Some thought O'Malley handled it better, some thought Sanders did.
Many, like me, wondered where Hillary was. Hillary Clinton successfully avoided having to face Lefty hecklers. That's likely why she didn't show up. Even so, Hillary's got a very large bridge to build with progressives, many of whom view her with outright suspicion (or worse). Hillary's going to need some energy and excitement from progressives if she's going to turn out enough voters to become president. So far, she's falling short. I barely heard her name mentioned during the entire conference, in fact. That should be troubling to the Clinton campaign, but they calculated that avoiding getting heckled (or booed) was more important.
Granted, even if there hadn't been protestors for Sanders and O'Malley, Clinton likely would have gotten some very vocal feedback from the crowd in one way or another (and on more than one issue). And yes, there would have been video to run under "Clinton Booed By Lefties!" headlines. But sooner or later, Clinton's got to make her case in front of skeptical progressive crowds. That's the only way she can convince any segment of them to get excited about her campaign in any way. Right now, Clinton seems to be running on her 2008 "Inevitability" playbook. She's content to answer protestors on Facebook, days after the event, rather than show up in person. She's basically running as a general election candidate, since she figures she's got the primaries already sewn up. Maybe she'll show up to Netroots 2016, after all the primaries are over.
Or maybe she won't....
More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/where-was-hillary_b_7836984.html
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Or was doing research too hard for this "journalist"?
PDittie
(8,322 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)It would be terrible for Hillary or Bernie to win but faced with a 75-25 wingnut senate.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)ops here are apparently have more depth than this author could muster. Great job du.
Seems many Sanders supporters are a bit upset by this event and asking why Hillary wasn't there at the same time. The angle that is taken here seems to be really positive for Hillary. She was one step ahead of the game. She was out growing the party while others are left yelling at one and other. Somewhat comical that this angle would even be brought here by you considering your thoughts on Hillary. You are making the case that she is one step ahead of the rest.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Are you implying that Hillary knew it was going to be an ambush?
How, pray tell, did she know that?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"Are you implying that Hillary knew it was going to be an ambush?"
I would use a different word than ambush. She had a pretty good idea. Good duers have been and are discussing just that fact.
She was helping to grow the party on that day. Coalition building and helping to turn a red state blue. The fact you are even questioning if she was a step ahead over the weekend says a lot. I'm for O'Malley and I can see what happened. Good for Hillary. Not everything has to be cast in a light of negativity with respect to her. She was one step ahead of the guys over the weekend. No one, in honest, can argue against that. That is why the desperate attempt to actually make it about her. It is simple desperation. I don't need to stoop to that level as an O'Malley supporter. Not going to happen. This angle that is being taken simply isn't borne out in reality.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There was not any massively clever planning involved in Clinton skipping NN. She showed up in 2007, got booed, got bad coverage because of it. So she isn't going to show up again.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"She showed up in 2007, got booed, got bad coverage because of it. So she isn't going to show up again."
The other poster seems to be unaware of this.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)She got burned, and is avoiding the fire again. That does not mean she was one step ahead. If she was, she wouldn't have been burned the first time.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)There can be no question to her being one step ahead of them. Been there, done that, didn't go back due to knowledge. Doesn't matter how you attempt to parse it. I really didn't see any other way to take your comments than backing me up. I still don't in reality.
Seems you fully agree with me, while being in complete disagreement with the poster I was responding to, and attacking me as if you really do disagree with me.
Here is what the other poster said. You clearly dispute their claim and did so while backing me up.
"Are you implying that Hillary knew it was going to be an ambush?"
You completely backed up what I was saying in reference to that comment yet are doing in in a way that attempts to be disagreeable at the same time. This is a first for me.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Nope. You are claiming that she was wise enough to avoid an ambush. I am claiming she didn't avoid anything, she was already ambushed.
Your argument is a little like "That amputee cleverly avoided having their hand cut off again".
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)That's why her campaign had to rope off the media from her.
She is only allowed to speak in a scripted setting; it's almost as if Lawrence O'Donnell is writing scripts for West Wing again and this time Hillary is the President, not Martin Sheen.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Dancing on the edges of the spotlight.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I'm having some *seriously* good laughs tonight.
msongs
(74,203 posts)things to do
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Granted, even if there hadn't been protestors for Sanders and O'Malley, Clinton likely would have gotten some very vocal feedback from the crowd in one way or another (and on more than one issue). And yes, there would have been video to run under "Clinton Booed By Lefties!" headlines. But sooner or later, Clinton's got to make her case in front of skeptical progressive crowds. That's the only way she can convince any segment of them to get excited about her campaign in any way. Right now, Clinton seems to be running on her 2008 "Inevitability" playbook. She's content to answer protestors on Facebook, days after the event, rather than show up in person. She's basically running as a general election candidate, since she figures she's got the primaries already sewn up. Maybe she'll show up to Netroots 2016, after all the primaries are over.
From OP.
These are the people that GOTV... you really don't want to depress their enthusiasm.
She's gotta face the music sooner or later. Better sooner...
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)
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