Memo to Sanders supporters

[arely staircase]

You think politics tough? Try governing.

[London Lover Man]

1. Memo to Hillary supporters

Zero executive experience. SoS doesn't count - she abused her position.

Bernie, on the other hand, has executive experience.

[steve2470]

5. ok, please enlighten me and others how she abused her position

I'll wait. Thanks.

[London Lover Man]

19. Here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251467969#post9

Enjoy.

[Thinkingabout]

52. Abuse of power? If abuse of power is not agreeing with the position a candidate takes then

Any position a candidate takes who has ever been in office is also a use of power. It would be a difference of opinion, not abuse of power.

[el_bryanto]

2. That does sort of invite nasty responses attacking Hillary Clinton. But I will forgo. nt

[arely staircase]

10. I didn't attack anyone.

I have been a big supporter of HRC since the 90s so forgive if what the Bernie folks are calling attacks seems laughable to me. People have spent millions of dollars calling my candidate a murderer, so whatevs.

[sabrina 1]

65. You implied that people who have chosen to support a candidate running

for office, who has held elected positions for decades, are naive, ignorant of politics, ignorant of what it takes to govern, iow, that they are clueless.

Heard the same thing about Obama, 'it's one thing to be a Senator for a few years but government is a whole different thing'.

Can you point to ANY President who had Presidential experience before they became President?

Bernie will make an outstanding executive, he has all the qualities needed in a leader, I'm not worried, not sure why you are frankly.

Why don't you write about your candidate on the issues, that's what people are interested in.

I think this might be the third 'memo to Bernie supporters' so far this week.

Do you think that if people support a different candidate than you do, that makes them 'the other' or incompetent or something?

I used to be a Hillary supporter, and remember the attacks on her, and defended her fiercely against them, but those were from the Right. I don't recall the Left attacking her the way some on the Left are attacking Bernie Sanders, but he expected that, he's been in politics a long time.

I stopped supporting Hillary politically because she has been so wrong so often on issues that are so very important. Bernie otoh, on the same issues, has been so right. For me, that's what matters, issues.

[arely staircase]

66. Grover Cleveland and no

Any other questions, Sabrina. Look forward to your passionate advocacy for the Democratic ticket next year.

[sabrina 1]

67. I look forward to you joining us after the primary and giving your full

support to the Democratic nominee, Bernie Sanders. Also to all the Progressive Dems we are getting behind right now. He will need a very strong Progressive Congress to help him pass the legislation the people want him to pass.

Otoh, being that we live in a democracy, you are free NOT to support Sanders after he wins the Dem Nomination,

It's your choice, you are in a free country or so we are told. Though when I see people being threatened as to who they should vote for, I sometimes wonder.

Memo to Hillary Supporters, stop telling people who to vote for'. Yes, maybe it's time to write a memo to Hillary supporters.

[arely staircase]

68. sabrina I am glad you are for Sanders. shit, he is the first democrat I can remember you supporting.

Not saying you never have. I just don't remember it.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Compared to Obama, Bernie has been treated with kid gloves. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Primary 08 Obama held events with openly anti gay hate preachers, he opposed marriage equality

and refused to apologize for his employment as campaign surrogate an infamous 'ex gay' evangelist who had been on the 700 Club declaring war on gay people and accusing us of killing children. When LGBT people objected to that, Obama and his supporters basically flipped us the bird, including here on DU where we were told repeatedly that it was 'just one little song' and 'you people just want your pony' and 'stop the poutrage'. This was for objecting to a man who called us child killers being the star of a Democratic rally.
So Bernie, compared to Obama? Ok. Sure.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. I was referring to the treatment by the media/GOP

The media/GOP really went after Obama on Rev. Wright, flag pins and secret Muslim connections.

Bernie is getting no such treatment.

[spqr78]

69. where is he being covered?

If the media wants to attack him, they have to talk about him. Which is why until netroots he was rarely mentioned. When he was mentioned it was to compare him to Hillary (to illustrate how awesome she is).

The only time Bernie is covered for his own achievements or policies is on the Ed Show.

Oh well.

[marym625]

64. Right now

I just wanted to give you a

[Lil Missy]

4. Flame bait. Is this really necessary?

[NCTraveler]

6. No need for O'Malley supporters to do this.

I'm assuming you are supporting him considering you are looking for someone who has governed.

[arely staircase]

25. Yeah running the State Dept. doesn't count nt

[Chan790]

37. It doesn't. Factually.

Secretary of State is not an administrative executive position. It's one of the few positions in the cabinet, the other notably being Attorney General, where the cabinet secretary is not the administrative head of their own department, that being a duty assigned to an undersecretary.

So no, being Secretary of State doesn't count because she didn't run the State Department. The cabinet secretary in such a situation functions more to dictate the operational philosophy of the department and perform specific non-administrative duties. Someone else is tasked with implementing that philosophy and running the department...in the case of State, this is done intentionally to allow the Sec. of State more time to do their actual job of being the chief foreign emissary of the US government.

[Thinkingabout]

56. If this the case why in the hell is Benghazi thrown at Hillary. This is a perfect out for Hillary.

[NCTraveler]

40. It counts for a lot. Just not what you claim to be looking for in a candidate. nt.

[arely staircase]

41. She is going to ne an awesome president

Just like Obama

[NCTraveler]

43. I agree. The opportunity is there for her to be a great President. nt.

[artislife]

46. If she is elected`

I certainly hope so. I truly do.

I hope I am soo wrong about her and I will happily eat humble pie. Happily!

[NCTraveler]

47. The word opportunity provided the same meaning as "if."

I have found word changes like that tone down aggressive responses. Seems it is a little too nuanced.

[artislife]

48. I wasn't being aggressive

The voice inside my head was willing to be completely wrong about my ideas of her being the nomination. And truly wanting to be wrong about how I have viewed her potential.

Words on flat screens cannot convey the intent sometimes.

I wasn't bashing her, but maybe me...and my preconceived ideas. This week has really made me tired of the supporter wars.

There is so much more that needs our attention.

[NCTraveler]

49. My bad. I see where I wasn't very clear.

The aggressive part was in no was directed toward you. You can see who I replied to using the more gentle tactic. I see by how I wrote that it wasn't clear.

[artislife]

51. It is a mine field!

We will get through this, yes we will

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[neverforget]

7. ugh

[seveneyes]

8. You think governing is tough?

Try leading by example.

[demmiblue]

9. Me thinks you need a slinky, Mr. staircase. n/t

[arely staircase]

12. Ok

Whatever that means.

[Hiraeth]

17. -

[sgtbenobo]

31. You are my new role model.

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[Hiraeth]

38. dafuq is dat - fantastic - LOL

[beam me up scottie]

11. Please think of the kittens.

[pa28]

20. This guy leaves a massive trail of furry carnage in his wake.

The poor little kittens.

[beam me up scottie]

21. LOL!

But they were totes seriose!

[LWolf]

13. WTF

Please provide evidence of me, anywhere, or any time, suggesting that politics aren't "tough." I've had 55 years to learn just how tough politics can be. I don't care how "tough" it gets; business as usual in the form of disingenuous manipulation and corruption isn't okay, and should be kicked into the light.

And please point me to all the governors on DU who know better than I how "tough" it is to govern. Or to where I've ever said a candidate would find it easy to do so.

In reality, it would be nice to quit throwing out broad brush attack memos, and address issues. Sander's supporters are not a single, monolithic entity, any more than any other sub-group of the population.

If you really want to open a dialogue with Sander's supporters, let's talk issues. That's what drives THIS Sander's supporter, anyway.

[beam me up scottie]

15. Don't take the bait.

When you can smell the desperation wafting out of a thread you know someone is feeling threatened.

[sadoldgirl]

14. Please, enlighten me, knowing, who

your favorite candidate is: Where and when has she
governed any town, county, or state?

I really would like to know that.

[arely staircase]

18. Running the State Dept (Well) Im pretty sure counts

as executive experience.

[TM99]

33. No, that would be upper management.

She served the President who was her higher executive officer if we are using the corporate business model.

[arely staircase]

42. Government is not business. NT

[TM99]

63. Never said it was, however,

since the Reagan revolution in the 1980's, we act like it is. We structure everything including education like a corporate entity.

The truth still holds that Clinton has zero executive experience.

[NCTraveler]

44. I'm scratching my head at their inability to see this.

By the simplicity of the point they made, one can only conclude they must support O'Malley. But they don't.

Even if not using the business model your rightly opined on, it isn't governing in the manner the op meant in any way. Kind of like saying the police govern in stead of upholding the laws that those who govern sign.

[TM99]

62. Exactly.

For me, I see that O'Malley and Sanders have both had executive experience. They have been mayor''s and in O'Malley's case also a governor.

Clinton has zero executive experience.

[Goblinmonger]

54. She didn't "run" the State Dept.

But don't let facts get in the way of what you're trying to say.

[Sheepshank]

60. While she was required to promote the will of the President

as SOS she did perform negotiations, run a full department of staff, made Congressional and Senatorial statements and responded to inquisitions, she had budgetary impacts (remember how she asked for extra security money prior to Bengahzi and was turned down). I don't know how one can be the head person in a position and not run the department. Her's was not an elected position as SOS, but to try and discount this as having immense and valuable insight into international dealings and is a plus for POTUS, is disingenious. But then there was more the Hillary than SOS...right. She was a State Senator?

[AgingAmerican]

16. Memo to Hillary supporters

Pay to play isn't governing...

[Juicy_Bellows]

24. Memo to whom it applies :

You think flame baiting is tough? Try the steak.

[Scootaloo]

26. Are you done shaking your finger in our faces?

[arely staircase]

27. Lol. Nt

[Scootaloo]

28. Honest question. I want to know if my daily scolding for not supporting Clinton is over

[arely staircase]

29. You are proving my point. nt

[Scootaloo]

32. Will you need genuflection, sir? n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

30. Ooh, I'm going to take to Twitter and whine about how awful...

Hillary supporters are. Burn it down! #vanillarytoowhite!

Or not.

[daleanime]

34. We aim to.....

Thanks.

[mmonk]

35. We don't need lecturing either. Where did Bernie get his record from?

[Bobbie Jo]

36. Irony alert.

Wow

[arely staircase]

39. Obliviousness ro irony is strong among the DU followers of St. Bernard nt

[LiberalAndProud]

45. Wow! That's deepity.

[Comrade Grumpy]

50. Piece of inflammatory crap OP. n/t

[peacebird]

53. Memo to Hillary supporters...

Thanks so much for your concern, bless your little heart!

[Goblinmonger]

55. So if I vote for him, I'm going to have to govern?

Phrasing. It's important.

[arely staircase]

58. I don't think you or him need worry about it. nt

[Goblinmonger]

59. Then I guess thanks for the heads up about nothing, then.

Do you make it a habit to post poorly worded things that don't really matter?

[arely staircase]

61. oh it seams to be working just fine, thanks

lol

[arcane1]

57. Sanders knows all about that. In fact he's the toughest of the bunch!