2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton’s Leftward FLIP-FLOPS
-....Such is the case with Hillary Clinton. She may cast herself as a progressive, but her prior history and propensity to flip-flop say otherwise...."
As a strong challenge from the Left emerges in the form of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, who was once thought to be headed for a coronation in the Democratic presidential primary, has tried to recast herself as a progressive champion. However, in her mad dash to the left, Clinton cannot escape her history of supporting, as the First Lady and then as a senator, the decidedly centrist and corporate-friendly policies of her husband, President Bill Clinton. The contrast in views espoused by First Lady/ Sen. Clinton, versus 2008, and to a greater extent, 2016 presidential candidate Clinton, could emerge as a major problem for her campaign. Although Clinton has been extremely close-lipped to the media thus far in her latest bid for the Democratic nomination, by attempting to portray herself in speeches as a progressive during a time in which the political winds of the millennial generation are blowing left, Clinton has unwittingly shown herself to be a consummate flip-flopper who takes the positions that are most likely to return her to the White House.
A run-through on a litany of issues important to progressives reveals a candidate in Clinton who once held decidedly anti-progressive views on many of the important questions of the day.
Same-Sex Marriage
Few issues in recent memory have prompted as great a reversal of public opinion in as short a time as same-sex marriage. Between 2003 and 2013, the proportion of Americans supporting marriage equality rose 21 points nationwide, from 32 percent to 53 percent. As recently as May 2015, before the historic Supreme Court ruling that made same-sex marriage legal across the country, 57 percent of Americans were supportive of marriage equality.
Clinton came out in favor of marriage equality in 2013, after a majority of Americans had already indicated their support. To be fair, she was not the only prominent politician to withhold their approval until it was clear public opinion had shifted. President Barack Obama waited until 2012 to come out in favor of marriage equality, following Vice President Joe Bidens comments supporting same-sex marriage.
But it is telling what Clintons views on the issue were back in 2000 when the electorate was still squarely against marriage equality. Clinton stated gay couples had no place in the institution of marriage, and said she would have voted for the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman.
Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman, Clinton said in 2000.
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One of Clintons most conspicuous and recent flip-flops is on the issue of free trade. As President Obama sought fast track authority from Congress to pursue the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal TPP Clinton was pressured by Sanders to take a stance on the deal, one that Sanders and many progressive activists and labor groups are vehemently opposed to.
In a move consistent with her attempt to portray herself as progressive, Clinton said she had doubts about the trade deal and stated if she were voting, she would most likely not have supported the trade package moving through Congress at the time, which gave Obama fast track trade authority to negotiate the deal.
At this point, probably not, she said when asked if she would have voted to give Obama fast track authority. However, in 2012, while serving as Secretary of State, Clinton spoke about the TPP in much more glowing terms.
We need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, Clinton said This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the worlds total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.
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Clinton, and to be fair many Democrats, flip-flopped on the Iraq War, but her change of view is indicative of her tendency to take the politically popular view of the time. In 2002, when Clinton voted to give President George W. Bush the authorization to use military force in Iraq, public opinion was still squarely in support of the war. In a 2002 speech on the floor of the Senate, Clinton said she supported the measure to authorize force because of Iraqs dictatorial ruler Saddam Hussein.
Intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members, Clinton said.
Clinton went on to say in her Senate floor speech that if left unchecked Hussein would continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. In a meeting with CODEPINK in 2003, Clinton also furthered the since debunked storyline that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
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Crime is another policy area in which Clintons rhetoric has changed dramatically from her days in Bill Clintons White House. In fact, Clinton has made a new approach to dealing with those who commit crimes a central part of her campaign, calling for an end to the era of mass incarceration.
During her latest campaign, Clinton has been an outspoken critic of the current criminal justice system. We have allowed our criminal justice system to get out of balance, and these recent tragedies should galvanize us to come together as a nation to find our balance again, Clinton said.
Clinton is right, the current criminal justice system and approach to dealing with crime is inherently counterproductive. But she hasnt always felt that way. Back when the more popular political school of thought was to be tough on crime, Clinton displayed a much more aggressive approach to punishing those who commit crimes. During Bill Clintons presidency, Hillary Clinton supported his tough on crime policies and a 1994 law that among other things, has increased untold numbers of prison sentences by encouraging states to drastically reduce or eliminate parole and early release.
In 1994, Hillary Clintons quotes about crime sound very different from her 2016 campaign when she talks about the problem of mass incarceration. We need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders, she said in 1994. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets.
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Drivers Licenses for Undocumented Immigrants
A clear and recent example of a Clinton flip-flop is her stance on providing drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants. During her quest for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton generated headlines when she said she would not support a proposal put forward by then-New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer to provide drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants that pass a driving test. This came after criticism that her position on the issue was not clear.
When Spitzer eventually abandoned the drivers license proposal, Clinton praised the decision. I support Governor Spitzers decision today to withdraw his proposal, she said in a statement. As President, I will not support drivers licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration, including border security and fixing our broken system.
This put her in clear contrast with then Sen. Barack Obama, who was supportive of the idea of providing drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants who passed a drivers test. However, in her second bid for the Democratic nomination, Clinton has done a 180 on the issue. Clinton indicated the change in her position through a campaign spokesperson who said Hillary supports state policies to provide drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants. This is consistent with her support for the presidents executive action.
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Ethanol
Perhaps the most egregious Clinton flip-flop came on an issue thats not on most of the countrys radar screen: ethanol. However, this issue tends to come up time and time again in presidential primaries/caucuses because of its importance in Iowa and the sway that state holds in the presidential primary process. An examination of Clintons rhetoric on ethanol indicates her support for the controversial fuel source has changed at politically convenient times. An article by The Daily Beast explored Clintons position on ethanol and examined how, and likely why, she flipped so dramatically on the issue.
In 2002, Clinton opposed the mandated use of just two billion gallons of ethanol per year, the article stated. But a mere five years later, after seeing that she had to go through Iowa which produces more ethanol than any other state to return to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, she was advocating the use of 18 times that quantity of biofuel.
Additional proof of her anti-ethanol history is Clintons participation in writing a 2002 letter about mandates in ethanol use. The letter stated that an ethanol mandate would add an astonishing new anti-consumer government mandate that every US refiner must use an ever-increasing volume of ethanol. The Daily Beast also reported that while serving in the Senate, Clinton voted against measures supportive of ethanol 17 times.
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https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/22/hillary-clintons-leftward-flip-flops/
corkhead
(6,119 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)consortiumnews.com needs to write up their resume.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How's that working out?
So what do all these flip-flops say about Hillary Clinton? The takeaway message is that while she is angling to appeal to the more liberal wing of the Democratic party, progressives should not trust Clinton to follow through if she is elected President, as she has a history of changing her mind on issues at politically convenient times.
Im not saying that politicians should never be allowed to change their mind, of course political figures views are allowed to evolve and shift. But the problem comes when a politician changes their mind so frequently that it becomes difficult to trust them to follow through on what theyre campaigning on.
Such is the case with Hillary Clinton. She may cast herself as a progressive, but her prior history and propensity to flip-flop say otherwise.
Off to the greatest!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)ESPECIALLY those running for office.
It's more natural than breathing for them.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If its any consolation to all those who are so overjoyed that she seems to be embracing a somewhat progressive agenda, she didn't really believe all that tough on crime bullshit she used to spout. She just did it because she thought the country bought into it. She doesn't give a rats ass about immigrants, gay marriage, or gun control either. She just believes that talking about it from a progressive standpoint will get her the nomination, at which point you can expect her to alter any stance which she perceives may hinder her chances to win the election.
She's a completely cynical, somewhat paranoid politician who wants to be elected president only so she can be president. She's a lot like Richard Nixon in that regard.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Got it.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... you clearly don't "get it."
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Otherwise, no.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Warrior Goddess.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)because if you aren't talking about your favorite candidate, a former Goldwater Girl, your post is a complete non sequitur.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)my bad
Metric System
(6,048 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)From the op:
Did you even bother to read it?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)the most votes. She has zero convictions other than political expediency, which is why I can't trust her.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)marriage till he was for it. so yeah, people and opinions shift as do politicians. so long as they shift leftward i am fine with it.