Hillary Clinton: As Honest And Trustworthy As Donald Trump - WaPo

[WillyT]

Hillary Clinton: As honest and trustworthy as Donald Trump
By Chris Cillizza - WaPo
July 30 at 8:25 AM

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Hillary Clinton has a problem. In a new Quinnipiac University national poll, more than one in three voters say that the most important trait they are looking for in a 2016 candidate is being "honest and trustworthy." Almost six in ten of those polled said that Hillary Clinton lacks those two traits.

Uh oh.

Clinton's problems with the honest/trustworthy question is not new. As I wrote back in April:

There's a widespread belief in her capability to do the job she is running for. There's also widespread distrust in her personally. People admire her but don't know if she's honest.

The Q poll trend line shows a steady line of distrust towards Clinton. In May 39 percent of people said she was honest and trustworthy. In April that number was 38 percent. And, before you dismiss Clinton's honesty issue as simply the carping of Republicans, look inside the Q numbers. Just 31 percent of independents describe her as honest and trustworthy while 62 percent say she is not. One in five Democrats (19 percent) say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy(!).

Need more evidence of how bad Clinton's numbers are on the honesty question? She and Donald Trump have nearly identical ratings on it. Thirty-three percent said Trump was honest and trustworthy, while 58 percent said he wasn't. Trump's numbers among independents (33 honest/58 not) are actually slightly better than Clinton's.

Take a step back from the honest/trustworthy question and you see that, at the moment, Clinton's image is suffering more broadly in the Q poll. Forty percent of voters view her favorably while 51 percent view her unfavorably; that's the low water mark for Clinton in Q polling and a far cry from the 61 percent favorable score she had in a February 2008 Q poll.

What the Q numbers suggest...

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More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/30/voters-want-someone-who-is-honest-and-trustworthy-in-2016-they-dont-think-thats-hillary-clinton/

[kcjohn1]

2. Interesting thing about this poll

Is that they pose their favorable/unfavorable question by adding 3rd option "Haven't heard enough".

Sanders fav/unfav with Dems is 52/4 with 43 saying they haven't heard enough. This dissaproves meme going around that he has low ratings among democratic voters.

Among Ind he is 33/26 (not enough 39). Compare that to Clintons 35/53.

[Cheese Sandwich]

58. I've heard more than enough to make this choice.

[Purveyor]

3. About right I would say...

[winter is coming]

4. Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark. n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

5. Here's my free advice for President-elect Clinton

1. Secretly chop down a cherry tree
2. Publicly admit to it.

Your poll numbers should rebound soon after.

"Thank you for shopping Rufus T. Firefly Public Relations!"

[beam me up scottie]

6. But I was told that America wants Hillary.

There must be something wrong with me because I don't support her.

[Juicy_Bellows]

8. Outside of here I haven't met anyone that does.

I've seen no stickers, hats, t-shirts etc. People are either for Bernie or apolitical round these parts.

[beam me up scottie]

9. I've found that a lot of people don't care for her at all.

Name recognition and a D after your name can only generate so much enthusiasm.

I've turned more than a few onto Bernie Who?

[Juicy_Bellows]

11. I wear my Sanders shirt once a week.

Make sure to do it on a weekend and I've received nothing but right on, feel the Bern, etc. I'm in a very liberal area though. I might just have to buy another one for a Saturday Sunday combo. Cheers!

[lewebley3]

26. Yes, American wants Hillary!

[beam me up scottie]

50. Not this American.

Or don't I count?

[L0oniX]

53. You would support her if you lived in that hell hole called the Hamptons.

You unfortunately must not be rich enough to support her like everyone else is. I know that if she wins I will also become rich.

[beam me up scottie]

55. I always said I'm not rich enough to vote Republican.

I guess I'm not rich enough to vote Hillary either.



But those of us who support a federal minimum wage of $15/hr just want a pony, don't ya know?

[vadermike]

7. ugh

I support her but am now worried we have thrown the whole 2016 election.. ugh... talk me down.. and am afraid no Dems can now win in 16.. we are screwd....ugh

[RufusTFirefly]

12. Don't fret. It's not all bad news for President-elect Clinton

She's still ahead of Dick Cheney and Walter J. Palmer.

Also, if the whole presidential thing doesn't work out, she can always fall back on a lucrative career in network security. There are a lot of companies that would really like to know her secret for setting up an un-hackable system.

Forbes: Chinese Hackers Undetected Inside United For A Year.

[L0oniX]

54. "Walter J. Palmer" OMG LMFAO NEEDANEWKEYBOARDNOWTHANKSALOT.

[ericson00]

10. When several real organizations have polls

that show this, I'll bother to take a look. A third tier university (and first-tier dumb rich kid country club) known for nothing worth talking about and undersampling Democrats and non-whites is a waste of my time.

[oasis]

17. Voted "Most Admired Woman" numerous times. Somebody likes her.

Try as they may, rightie and leftie zealots are not going to topple her

[RufusTFirefly]

18. Reggie Jackson made it on the All-Star team one year when he was hitting under .200

Name recognition and past performance are often at odds with present reality

[oasis]

24. Reggie's in the Hall of Fame. Hillary is the leading

Candidate of the Democratic Parrty. She is well on her way to becoming our next POTUS.

It's the sum of accomplishments.

[RufusTFirefly]

25. Nope. Hillary should be elected for what she'll do tomorrow. Not what she did yesterday

People who have been great in the past can sometimes take a troubling wrong turn.

Besides, I seriously question the criteria that determined Clinton's greatness in the first place.
There's perception. And then there's reality.

If she thinks she can just coast on her reputation right into the White House, she could be making a tragic mistake.

[oasis]

27. Next time you go for a job interview, just chuck your

references into the nearest dumpster before entering.

[RufusTFirefly]

29. Haha! Actually, if her past performance were truly scrutinized, I don't think you'd be so smug.

[oasis]

30. Which brings us back to post number 27.

I'll leave the "scrutiny" and distortion to those who have their own agendas.

I'm supporting Hill for president because she is the most qualified candidate.

[RufusTFirefly]

31. If you ask me, her Iraq War Resolution vote alone is enough to disqualify her

But there are a number of other reasons, including her support of the Defense of Marriage Act and her co-sponsorship of a bill to criminalize flag burning.

Then there's her iffy relationship with the Keystone folks, her coziness with Wall Street, and a host of other troubling concerns.

Oh, and by the way, John McCain was arguably the "most qualified candidate" in 2008, yet I seriously doubt that you voted for him (I certainly didn't). Why?

[oasis]

32. Long before the Iraq war vote was ancient history,

I voted for John Kerry, who voted for it. Bush/Cheney, Judith Miller and a host of others ,duped congress folk. Kerry, Biden and Hill all get passes on that one.

Hill's weighing her decision on Keystone, taking into consideration the concerns of the unions who support it.

As for being "cozy" with Wall Street, how high on the "issues" list do you think that will be in the general election?

[ericson00]

33. yea, Biden voted for the Iraq War too

which is why I'm amazed how many people, whose antipathy towards Hillary is based on Iraq, could then have some great excuse why it was fine for Biden but not Hillary. Because Hillary is "calculating?" Please, what politician isn't?

Another reason Biden getting in is dumb as well: O'Malley and Sanders might not spare Biden on that either, and then the party would see old divisions over things open up not just with primary candidates but also the current administration too.

[RufusTFirefly]

34. Who said anything about supporting Biden? I won't support him either

Most of the Democrats who voted for the IWR were either from conservative states or had presidential aspirations.

It was a cold-blooded calculation based on concerns that the war would go quickly and that a "No" vote would make election (or re-election) difficult.

It wasn't a case of "If I only knew then what we know now." That's bullshit revisionism. They simply concluded that gambling with people's lives was worth the risk.

[oasis]

37. The Iraq War won't be a subject of debate in the GE.

Some DUers are not ready to accept that it's ancient history. Those who dissaprove of Hillary should find another club to beat her over the head with, and drop that one.

[RufusTFirefly]

38. Oops! Sorry about all the dead people!

The mechanisms that led to the Iraq War are still very much with us. As are the costs -- in lives, in money, and in blowback.

We will be faced with similar situations in the future. Some of those situations may be direct descendants of the disastrous and illegal Iraq invasion.

It's not a stretch, for example, to draw a line from the U.S. enabled illegal overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran in 1953 to "Shock and Awe" in Iraq in 2003. (Stephen Kinzer's book All the Shah's Men makes a compelling case for this.)

We need a President who is capable of making tough decisions and isn't swayed by self-interest or intimidated by the military-industrial complex.

We also need a President if she's made mistakes in the past who can prove to us that she's truly learned from those mistakes. Clinton's explanation for why she voted for the IWR attempts to deflect her culpability in that devastating decision.

And, above all, we need a President who has a comprehension of context and an appreciation for history.

"The past is never dead. It's not even past." -- William Faulkner

[oasis]

39. Jeb's PNAC connection vs. Hillary's war vote

I doubt this will shape the 2016 race for the WH.

Who best addresses the concerns of the vast majority of voters will win.

[Divernan]

51. Keystone:3,900 jobs for 1 yr.; 35 permanent jobs. Big whoop!

So is this Hillary's "test balloon" to hide behind the unions should she openly endorse Keystone?
What a crock! Clearly, the unions would get far more & longer-lasting employment opportunities for their members by pushing for long overdue, nationwide, infrastructure repair, replacement and expansion. Plus the end result would be of widespread, long lasting benefits for Americans, instead of providing a pipeline to ship oil to be processed in Texas and shipped overseas to profit Canadian corporations.

Supporters of the Keystone XL Pipeline herald it as a job-creating machine, producing as many as 119,000 jobs.

But only 3,900 workers will actually be required to build the pipeline to carry oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, according to the U.S. State Department, and those jobs will only last for a year. There will be 35 permanent positions created.

TransCanada (TRP), the company seeking permission to build the pipeline, claims the effort will create 13,000 construction jobs.

But even TransCanada only expects that building the pipeline will take about 7 million hours of labor. That works out to about a year's worth of work for 3,400 workers. If the work were spread evenly across 13,000 workers, it would only mean three months of work for each
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/18/news/economy/keystone-jobs/index.html

[nichomachus]

41. "Qualifications" for the presidency are a threshold

You have to be a natural born citizen and over 35. You are either qualified or not. There is no more or less qualified.

[oasis]

43. Ah! Okay then, she's "overly" qualified.

How's that?

[nichomachus]

45. Well -- mayebe

She is approaching 70 -- so that would be twice the minimum age.

I'd like to see a llst of her accomplishments, other than being on the WalMart board and a failed health care plan.

[oasis]

47. See post 44 or go to the Emily's List website.

If ya really, really wanna know.

[oasis]

49. "Failed" is not an accomplishment. Check your post 41.

You seemed to take issue with my use of the word "qualified". If you're going to be professorial in respect to that usage, at least be consistent throughout.

[nichomachus]

40. Can you list her "accomplishments?"

I've been trying to think of them, but I really can't come up with any.

[oasis]

44. Get thee to the DU Hillary Group.

Leave all snarkiness at the door before entering. Best of luck in your well intentioned fact finding.

[nichomachus]

46. I've been banned from there

Because I didn't sing the Hillary Song loud enough and asked legitimate questions. Apparently all you're allowed to do is praise her -- no matter what she does. Sort of like a middle school fan club for a boy band.

[oasis]

48. How much info did you take in before being booted?

Emily's List has a website which might help you along with your conversion.

[Motown_Johnny]

23. Favorable/unfavorable gets polled more often

and if you look at those numbers she is upside down in every poll I have seen.



https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484


The trustworthy numbers might start getting polled more often, we shall see. I still think that ignoring this is a mistake.

[RufusTFirefly]

13. I'll bet this is one Trump story that doesn't automatically wind up in The Left Column n/t

[morningfog]

14. It is because she dodges, hides and lies.

[olddots]

15. Hillary is very popular in Hidden Hills California

thats all I will ad .

[RufusTFirefly]

16. Wow! Home of Ozzy Osbourne and the Kardashians! That clinches it for me.

I must admit as a non TV watcher, I had never even heard of the place. I had to look it up.

Also, whether intentional or not, I enjoyed the spelling of ad (sic).

[L0oniX]

19. Cleanup in aisle GD P.

[Motown_Johnny]

20. This is why the Email crap sticks....

and all the B.S. that is the Benghazi scandal. Plus the donations to the Clinton foundation. Add in that there are important policies that she refuses to take a stand on and her "evolution" on others. The cherry on top will be the old Snipergate videos and veterans who will use swiftboating tactics to accuse her of valor theft.

She really is a horrible candidate. Making her the nominee is one hell of a gamble. Winning two senate seats in New York isn't anywhere near enough experience to deal with what she is about to run up against.

[Cheese Sandwich]

57. Stolen Valor? Could sound bad in a GOP attack commercial.

That's for sure. Better not to go down that road.

[postatomic]

22. Another recycled "poll"

With 20 percent of Republican voters, Donald Trump is the clear leader in the crowded Republican presidential primary field, but he trails any of three leading Democratic contenders by wide margins in general election matchups, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

Trump's 20 percent is the largest tally for a Republican contender in any national poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. Behind Trump are Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker with 13 percent and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush with 10 percent. No other Republican tops 6 percent and 12 percent are undecided.

Trump also tops the "no way" list as 30 percent of Republican voters say they would definitely not support him. New Jersey Gov. Christopher Christie is next at 15 percent with Bush at 14 percent.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gets 55 percent of Democratic voters nationwide, with 17 percent for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and 13 percent for Vice President Joseph Biden. No other candidate tops 1 percent with 11 percent undecided.

Clinton tops the Democrats' "no way" list with 9 percent, followed by former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley and former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee at 8 percent each.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264

First time I've seen a "poll" that includes a "no way". So now they are measuring hate?

Again; I'll wait until they come for the piano.

[NCTraveler]

28. Extremely consistent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025022246

There is a word for relentlessly attacking democrats from the right.

I notice people claiming to support Sander have gone from "look at his skyrocketing poll numbers," to "Look at Hillarys favorable." The change in rhetoric is looking pretty desperate.

[fbc]

35. Trump seems much more honest than Clinton

He's an ass, and everything that comes out of his mouth disgusts me, but at least he's honest about his opinions.

[RufusTFirefly]

36. Sadly, you have a point. n/t

[nichomachus]

42. Bingo!

If history has taught us anything it's that the American people gravitate toward someone who gives them plain talk -- even when that talk is racist, meanspirited, and wrong.

Ronald Reagan is a good example. He said things simply and directly. People admired that. He was wrong about 100 percent of the time, but that doesn't matter.

Hillary comes across as too managed, too purposely vague, hedging too much. Her statements are polled, focus grouped, massaged, and crafted in such a way that you can read 10 different things into them, depending on whether you're a fanboy or fangal or what.

Listening to her speak about her passion is like listening to your insurance agent read your automobile policy to you.

[L0oniX]

52. You dirty Trump luv'r ...but oddly enough I totally agree.

[Cheese Sandwich]

56. Trump just says all manner of crazy stuff to get attention.

Which seems to be working though.