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Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:46 PM

 

absolutely brutal pro-Biden anti-Hillary article


After raising $1 million for Barack Obama during his two presidential runs, New York businessman Jon Cooper was exactly the kind of high-powered political “bundler” Hillary Clinton wanted on her team during this year’s run. But after agreeing to serve as a “Hillstarter” — as the Clinton campaign had dubbed its elite fundraisers — Cooper sat down at his computer a few months ago to write a fundraising pitch for the former secretary of state … and froze.

“I was trying to come up with a rationale for her candidacy — and I couldn’t do it,” Cooper tells Yahoo News. Clinton, he concluded, was “too calculating, too cautious, too controlled.”



https://www.yahoo.com/politics/some-democratic-bundlers-step-up-draft-biden-125613677451.html

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Reply absolutely brutal pro-Biden anti-Hillary article (Original post)
virtualobserver Aug 2015 OP
cantbeserious Aug 2015 #1
JaneyVee Aug 2015 #2
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #3
oasis Aug 2015 #4
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #8
oasis Aug 2015 #12
InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #13
oasis Aug 2015 #15
sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #39
Metric System Aug 2015 #5
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #6
InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #14
Maedhros Aug 2015 #16
InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #23
Maedhros Aug 2015 #30
InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #43
fadedrose Aug 2015 #17
fadedrose Aug 2015 #18
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #26
George II Aug 2015 #20
sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #40
Metric System Aug 2015 #7
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #9
Metric System Aug 2015 #10
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #11
stevenleser Aug 2015 #19
JaneyVee Aug 2015 #21
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #24
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #25
Metric System Aug 2015 #27
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #33
Maedhros Aug 2015 #31
m-lekktor Aug 2015 #41
sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #42
artislife Aug 2015 #22
Iliyah Aug 2015 #28
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #29
eridani Aug 2015 #32
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #34
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #37
tularetom Aug 2015 #35
DanTex Aug 2015 #36
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #38
ericson00 Aug 2015 #44
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #45
senz Aug 2015 #46

Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:08 PM

1. And There You Have It - Even The Corporate Fundraisers Don't Trust Her

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:15 PM

2. "too calculated, too cautious, too controlled"

 

Oh the horror! We should all be advocating for someone inarticulate, reckless, and out of control in 2016!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:20 PM

3. I'd like to see Hillary go wild.

 

She could be very powerful.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:24 PM

4. Donald Trump was made to order for Cooper's taste in politicians.

He kinda shoots from the hip.

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Response to oasis (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:53 PM

8. and from all orifices....n/t

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:08 PM

12. Yaaaaaaa

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Response to oasis (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:13 PM

13. More like shoots from the lip. One can only hope Donald Chump gets the Rethug nomination. Bernie will make mincemeat out of him. Go Bernie!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:23 PM

15. I'll settle for a Pay-for-View TV debate between the two before

Trump finally crashes and burns.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:42 AM

39. Bernie is already beating Trump by 20 points.

So yes, I hope Repubs are stupid enough to go for Trump. It would be the most entertaining GE ever to see Bernie wipe the floor with him.



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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:42 PM

5. Whoever is the front-runner will be under intense scrutiny and attacks. Hillary is still around

after more than 20 years of having crap flung at her.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:46 PM

6. True.....and this article is telling me that Biden is running.

 

This article is a pro-Biden shot over Hillary's bow.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:16 PM

14. Biden would be a serious contender deserving of serious consideration and spell doom for Hillary. Would prolly still end up supporting Bernie however.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:24 PM

16. Biden is too cozy with the credit card industry, and by extension with the big banks.

 

Wouldn't support him for President.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:56 PM

23. Was unaware of that; will hafta check that out.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:11 AM

30. Should have included this in the first post:

 

http://www.propublica.org/article/bidens-cozy-relations-with-bank-industry-825

With Sen. Joe Biden joining the Democratic ticket, there’s renewed scrutiny of Biden’s connections to the credit card industry. Biden has been particularly cozy with MBNA, a financial services company from Delaware, and now a subsidiary of Bank of America.

Over the past 20 years, MBNA has been Biden’s single largest contributor. And as the New York Times and Wall Street Journal note, Biden’s son Hunter was hired out of law school by MBNA and later worked as a lobbyist for the company.

The Times also details just how helpful Biden has been to MBNA and the credit card industry. The senator was a key supporter of an industry-favorite bill—the “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005”—that actually made it harder for consumers to get protection under bankruptcy.


Thank bankruptcy bill was straight-up heinous.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:11 PM

43. Thanks for the info - think I'll stick with Bernie.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:32 PM

17. Biden won't throw dirt

He's too nice a man . . .

Bernie doesn't throw dirt either, telling the truth is not throwing dirt.

Both are very decent men with very little baggage, maybe an overnighter here or there, but no freightcar full. Problems will come from differences in policies between Biden & Bernie and the DLC. The Republicans will go easy on Biden, not too easy, but there are a lot of friendships there in the Senate with Biden and Bernie. I think it might be more cordial than we expect.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:35 PM

18. Your avatar, you are going to have a problem

same as me, head tells us Bernie, heart tells us Biden..

What the hell are we supposed to do? Another nice guy is that guy, O'Malley, and they're all from the NE. The south won't tolerate more than one NEener.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:32 PM

26. my favorite Biden music video

 


Bernie has my head and heart, but I do like Biden....


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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:41 PM

20. But it doesn't have a single quote from Biden....just pure speculation.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:43 AM

40. And she lost the last time, so never had to face what will be vicious attacks

from the Right.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:52 PM

7. It will be telling to see if Sanders supporters flock to Biden after lambasting Hillary for being

too close to Wall Street and voting for the IWR, considering Biden's history on the subjects.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:56 PM

9. To whatever degree people flock to Biden, they will mostly be drawn from Hillary's ranks n/t

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:59 PM

10. Biden is already included in polling. His entering the race would likely bolster his numbers but

enough to topple Hillary? I'm not so sure.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:04 PM

11. I don't really have an opinion on that.

 

If this happens, it will be the 1st out of 37 different things
that are going to happen that fog up my crystal ball.

Actually, the 2nd.....Trump.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:40 PM

19. I disagree. I believe that 10-25% of Bernie supporters are anti-Hillary more than philosophy

 

He would take those voters from Bernie.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:45 PM

21. Easily. The polls would be Hillary 50, Biden 35, Bernie 12.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:22 PM

24. The one poll that I saw that polled it both ways.......

 

Bernie lost about 12% and Hillary lost about 20%.

If Biden announces, I would think that both of those numbers would go up a bit. Hillary will lose more than Bernie, though.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:26 PM

25. you're joking right?

Wow are you clueless.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:41 PM

27. Care to expand on your insult?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:45 AM

33. Yes I would

Biden is not going to pull any support from Sanders. You either have no clue as to why Sanders is appealing to people or you are pushing a narrative to try and fit someone's agenda.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:12 AM

31. See Post #30 [n/t]

 

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Response to Metric System (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:46 AM

41. ugh. not me, definitely not a fan of Biden. nt

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Response to Metric System (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:48 AM

42. Biden just recently backed Bernie's message on getting the money out of Politics, calling

it the # issue that has to be resolved due its corrosive effects on our political system. Until that happens, he stated, NOTHING ELSE can be done.

He more or less acknowledged that 'even you like me, trust me, know that the best people can be corrupted by money'.

I got the feeling he did some things he felt he had to do, such as some of the votes he case during his time in the Senate, and now believes this must be resolved in order to ensure that no one has to compromise their principles due to the money they take from Corporate entities.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 09:02 PM

22. Oh dear....nt

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:35 AM

28. VP Biden comes in Sanders is at a lost.

Fact.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:01 AM

29. more likely a much closer three way race

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:35 AM

32. Thinking it over, I'd probably pick Clinton over Biden n/t

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Response to eridani (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:50 AM

34. as would I

Stale porridge vs stale porridge and both with records I don't like. At least with Hillary we can excite some people with the prospect of our first female president.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:22 AM

37. would Obama have won Iowa in 2008 without Edwards in the race?

 

Three way races can be interesting.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:47 AM

35. Biden gave us Clarence Thomas so there is that...

But he isn't Hillary Clinton.

Let's see...Clarence Thomas...not Hillary Clinton...

Nah, I still don't know.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:40 AM

36. Brutal! One Obama fundraiser doesn't want to support Hillary! She should just quit!

On the other hand, she did manage to raise more money than anyone in either party even without Jon Cooper. Maybe the Jon Cooper endorsement isn't really the end-all-be-all that we thought it was.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:32 AM

38. “I was trying to come up with a rationale for her candidacy — and I couldn’t do it,”

 

It is the tone of that article that is brutal.....it undermines her.

The response by Jennifer Palmieri, the Clinton campaign’s communications director is even worse.

But questions about honesty and trustworthiness are beside the point, she argues. “That’s not the question voters have in their heads when they decide who to vote for,”

When your communications director concedes on the issues of "honesty and trustworthiness"
the Republican attack ads write themselves.

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:30 PM

44. Pushing Biden is like trying to make fetch happen.

 

it's not gonna happen.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #44)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:18 PM

45. no one is pushing

 

the inexorable march has begun

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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:12 AM

46. I like Biden. He's a good man, very likeable.

 

I could see him siphoning off middle-of-the-road votes from Hillary and from Democrats who don't know much about Bernie.

But if we want to begin the process of restoring an "of the people, by the people, for the people" democracy to America, Bernie is the only candidate.

Depends on what you want for America, for your children, for the future. The stakes are high.

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