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[HooptieWagon]

1. Then why are you so worried?

[Cali_Democrat]

2. I'm just providing my analysis on what I'm seeing.

Feel free to agree or disagree.

I really don't care.

[arcane1]

18. Where is your evidence of him "moving to the center"?

Do you have a transcript of his speech?

[nashville_brook]

23. that doesn't quite rise to level to the analysis.

[OKNancy]

3. If Hillary tried to appeal to conservatives OMG

the uproar here. She can't even have a picture taken with old man Kissinger without the crap being flung at her.
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I think Sanders does want to be President. But I also think going to Liberty is just a dumb move.

[AllFieldsRequired]

7. Agree with that, didnt think of that till now...jesus, when you think of it that way

[PoliticAverse]

20. It was actually Hillary's praise for Kissinger that was the issue...

"Hillary Clinton Calls Henry Kissinger a Friend, Praises His Commitment to Democracy"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/05/hillary_clinton_henry_kissinger_pals.html

[Thinkingabout]

34. RW and TP thinking, the same analogy when Christie hugged Obama.

[aikoaiko]

4. Maybe, maybe not. Sanders doesn't pander.

[AllFieldsRequired]

5. It is an interesting critique, and I do wonder if it is relatively unprecedented to go to

this audience at this point of the campaign.

There could be a different way to look at this.

Senator Sanders really truly believes his message and knows that the unbalanced conditions effect everyone and everyone needs to hear his message, whether he wins or not.

[PoliticAverse]

6. Perhaps, but the current candidate leading in the polls gave us all such a lesson in 2008. n/t

[djean111]

8. FFS, he was INVITED to speak, he did not seek out the opportunity.

He won't pander to them, he is not taking money from them, he is not going to assure them that we are all too harsh on them.

And Bernie would not invite Rick Fucking Warren to speak at his inauguration.

Your concern/analysis is noted. I will be voting for Bernie and talking him up to family and friends.

[LibDemAlways]

9. Bernie has a consistent message no matter

which group he's addressing. He was invited to speak, and he accepted the invitation. Perhaps he'll find some open minds in the crowd who'll be receptive. Why some Hillary supporters here have a problem with that is baffling.

[sufrommich]

10. Yep,you aren't going to survive the Dem. primary

by trying to appeal to the bigots at L.U.

[Ron Green]

16. "Appeal" to them? I believe they appealed to him to show up.

What he's doing is telling the truth about a bought political system.

Seems your understanding of public discourse allows only for successful bedfellows management.

[Thinkingabout]

38. Maybe Bernie is going to join up with the liberty University groups.

[BainsBane]

11. Unless he is planning on a third party run

I've never considered that a real possibility until I learned of this appearance.

[PoliticAverse]

22. Sanders will not be running as a third party candidate. n/t

[BainsBane]

24. I certainly hope you are right.

[Armstead]

36. Sometimes I wish he would....Just to piss some peope off

I don't really hope he does....But my visceral reaction to some who have a problem with someone with "the nerve" to run against Hillary, or challenge the Third Way stranglehold of the "consrvatCentrists" makes it viscerally tempting.

[PoliticAverse]

45. He's not Ralph Nader, he'll be supporting the Democratic nominee when the primaries are over. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Well ...

there is that concern about wooing back the working class (read in the context of the discussion: "white&quot vote back to the Democratic Party. http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters

[Armstead]

37. How awful...Working class Democrats

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Barack Obama held a string of 'Faith and Family' rallies in the South, featuring anti gay preachers

and famous trash talking gospel gay haters. He featured as his surrogate at one event one Donnie McCurkin, who had gone on 700 Club to call for war on gay people because he said gay people were trying to kill Christian children. I don't really want to drag all of that up again, but it is factual history of the last person to win the Democratic nomination.
According to Obama, President Obama, that was necessary to win the electoral votes at stake.

So this theory that speaking to religious people is anathema to Democrats seems pretty fucking odd. Do you think Obama did those rather lurid events just for shits and giggles? I do not. I think he did those events to win votes he had to have.

[whatchamacallit]

14. I just posted about Saddleback in another thread. n/t

[arcane1]

19. Facts and rationality have no place in this bullshit thread

[PoliticAverse]

28. Heck he invited Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration even. n/t

[AllFieldsRequired]

29. Wasn't this after he won the nomination?

[QC]

32. SHHHHHH! We're not supposed to remember that!

Or the business about "hard working white people."

Or the stuff about Hillary being "morally depraved" and "an inveterate liar."

Lots of stuff.

[CentralMass]

15. Well he has my viote and support.

[arcane1]

17. Yet you waste a lot of time posting about him. Wasted time you will never get back.

Don't you think your life is worth more than to waste posting about a candidate who will never win anyway.

Think about it: the outcome is (allegedly) the same even if you do nothing. So why bother?

[nashville_brook]

21. oh, purity! loyalty!

i see.

carry on.

[Adrahil]

25. Well, I don't think it's a great way to Democratic votes in the primaries....

But I can't see how it can hurt really. If Bernie thinks he can reach some of those young minds, I say go for it.

[Motown_Johnny]

26. Preaching to the choir is easy.

He is out to convert others to our/his cause.

Lets see what he says at Liberty before we judge him, shall we?

[Kelvin Mace]

33. Also, I believe it is called

"bearding the lion in his den".

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. Bernie

Hillary is starting to turn people off and Bernie is turning them on.

[ghostsinthemachine]

30. WRONG here....

I get the most headway with Conservatives when I talk about Bernie. Which is many times daily. They cannot stand the Republican choices and do not like Hillary, but once you explain Bernie's positions are not dissimilar than theirs they are very receptive.

NICE TRY THOUGH.

[Kelvin Mace]

31. I am sure Liberty invited him in the hopes of sowing

discord and discrediting him.

The students are likely to be in for a shock if they actually listen to what he says, and the University powers may not like the result.

[jberryhill]

40. They probably just invite everybody who is running

I don't see why anyone thinks that is somehow odd.

[Paka]

35. You are right that he didn't really want to be President.

He just saw that there was a need for him to step up to the plate and do the honorable thing. He has a moral compass that many cannot understand. Those of us who respect his honesty support the fact that he reaches out to all Americans, not just those who have gobs of money to throw his way. He is fighting for the heart and soul of the country.

GO BERNIE!

[jberryhill]

39. "moving to the center and appealing to more conservative voters"

I don't think that's what he's doing.

It seems more like he took up the invitation of a conservative Christian college, which probably extends the same invitation to all candidates, to come and speak.

So, he's going to go and speak.

Whoop-def-ucking-doo.

[Agnosticsherbet]

41. Edward Kennedy spoke at Liberty University - October 3, 1969

Liberty Baptist College Speech A Call for Tolerance in Religious and Political Beliefs October 3, 1969 | Liberty College, Lynchburg, Virginia

I don't support Sanders, but cut him some slack.

[DinahMoeHum]

42. Your concern, though noted, is unfounded.

Methinks Sanders is taking his cues from Howard Dean's supporters in that he will not write off any constituency, district, or state for votes just because people there are scared of him because he looks and talks different.

In fact, I think his economic message will resonate better out there than most people think.

Now, OTOH, I see HRC's camp making the same mistakes they did in 2008, namely that they are taking her nomination for granted. Somebody please get it to their heads that she will have to earn it, it's not gonna be handed to her on a silver platter.

[Doctor_J]

43. Correct. He is refusing to schmooze big media and the billionaires

One candidate wants to win and is appealing to loyal Democratic voters.

I didn't realize that wall street and Big Oil and the coal moguls and the outsourcers and insurance billionaires are considered "loyal Democratic voters". No wonder the party's almost dead.

[peacebird]

44. Thanks for your 'concern'. Bernie will present the same message as always. Hillary tailors

Her views to match her audience, Bernie does not.