Hillary Has Some Serious Explaining To Do

[Segami]

In one of the most spineless news dumps ever, Chuck Schumer announced his plans during the GOP debate to join the Republicans in undermining the President and pushing us towards war towards Iran. At the exact same time, an billionaire named Haim Saban also released a statement saying he opposed the deal and would fight it. What do these people have in common? They are top-tier Hillary Clinton surrogates. Chuck Schumer endorsed Hillary's 2008 run in 2006, and her 2016 run in 2013, the first senator to do so in both cases. Saban is a top donor to Clinton's Super PAC, having given $2m thus far.



Hillary was quite responsible for our first foray into the Middle East, duly joining George W. Bush and the neocons in a yes vote for an irresponsible and pointless war. Now, it appears she is sitting idly by as her highest level surrogates are ready to lock arms with Republicans and fight the President in favor of yet another war. She herself has given the most tepid possible backing to the deal, and has shown zero inclination toward fighting for votes to support the president. Here's the thing - Republicans really, really want a war with Iran. John McCain sang his cute little "bomb Iran" song 7 years ago, and nothing has really changed. Jeb Bush has surrounded himself with all the neocons who trumped up the circumstances for the Iraq war in 2003, and if you don't think they've already got the next war planned, you're delusional.



In 2003 we learned a lesson the hard way that if one party is really itching for war, and the other is split and/or muted in response, then we're getting war. Hillary herself claims to have learned her lesson from her disastrous vote to enable Bush's war. So why is it starting to look like the same story all over again? There is zero chance that Chuck Schumer, who is about to ascend to Democratic leadership of the Senate and is the Senate's most staunch Hillary supporter, did not consult with Clinton about what he was about to do. Same goes with one of her most prolific funding sources. So where is her leadership? How did she not learn from her previous mistake that giving the Republicans the Middle East war they crave is not going to end well?



There is no place for a Democratic presidential candidate who surrounds herself (or himself) at the highest levels with warmongers who look to undermine a Democratic president, as well as 5 other countries, in keeping peace while denying Iran nuclear weapons. Hillary Clinton needs to forcefully declare that she supports the President and the Democratic party in preserving peace. Inaction and/or more muddled statements while her surrogates beat the war drums will serve to show that she has learned absolutely nothing since 2003.


The ball is in your court, Hillary. It's time to see if you have really changed.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409589/-Hillary-has-some-serious-explaining-to-do

[stonecutter357]

1. .

[liberal N proud]

2. They are starting to shuffle the blame for everything from Obama to Hillary

This must be a very good sign. I will take it a sign that Hillary will be the next US President.

[monmouth4]

3. Dear lord I pray you are wrong...n/t

[A Simple Game]

42. You think we should blame President Obama instead of Hillary for wanting a war with Iran?

That makes no sense at all.

[rhett o rick]

50. It's a good sign for the neocons. They love Clinton.

Are Neocons Getting Ready to Ally With Hillary Clinton?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opinion/sunday/are-neocons-getting-ready-to-ally-with-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

It's a good sign if you relish war in the Middle East.

[HFRN]

4. the Iran deal, is in my opinion, the justification of Obama's presidency nt

[AtheistCrusader]

15. ACA, Cuba, Iran...

Wilderness regions. I have a lot to be grateful for.

(Some could be better, like Single Payer instead of ACA, but compared to the previous 8 years... a godsend)

[HFRN]

5. Hillary is a great uniter - both neoliberal and neocon nt

[Fuddnik]

25. Talk about hitting the nail squarely on the head!

[Agnosticsherbet]

6. Hillary Clinton threw her support behind the deal the White House reached with Iran

Last edited Fri Aug 7, 2015, 03:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary Clinton on Iran Deal: 'This Is an Important Step'

Clinton supports the Iran treaty. I don't see how she needs to explain supporting that.

Sanders also supports the deal. Does he need to explain?

[George II]

11. Excellent points...they're both in favor of it, but it's a negative for Clinton and a positive...

...for Sanders.

And of the two, only Sanders can cast a vote for it.

The way I see it, the OP is the one who has some serious explaining to do.

[Agnosticsherbet]

17. Pretty much the way I see it.

[MADem]

36. Really!

This is a rather spurious connection to "GD-P" on a good day. Gripe about Schumer, blame it on Clinton.

Tsk.

[Agnosticsherbet]

45. It's guilt by association, as if she can control what Schumer does.

[MADem]

47. Seems a bit arbitrary to leave it up here, especially since a thread about Trump and HRC was locked.

Last I checked Schumer wasn't running for anything save minority leader! There's no "primary" for that job.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251499201

[Agnosticsherbet]

48. Yes, yes it does.

[fbc]

23. Your Hillary link goes to the front page of nationaljournal.com

[Agnosticsherbet]

27. Fixed the link, and included the link and others below to the story.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-iran-nuclear-deal-congress-20150714

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/14/hillary-clinton-calls-iran-deal-important-step/?page=all

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/07/14/iran-deal-hillary-clinton-reaction-sot-nr.cnn/video/playlists/hillary-clinton/

[A Simple Game]

44. This is not even a tepid endorsement.

From your first link:

"I think we have to look at this seriously, evaluate it carefully, but I believe based on what I know now, this is an important step," she said. "There will be a number of issues that have to be addressed. I want to just mention, too, the first is enforcement. This agreement will have to be enforced vigorously, relentlessly."

"Look at this seriously."
"Evaluate it carefully."
"This is an important step."
"There will be a number of issues that have to be addressed."

This is an endorsement? You're not fooling me and neither is Hillary. At best this is just another non-commitment.

[Agnosticsherbet]

46. She endoresed the decision, so as long as you condemn Sanders for endorsing the decision

that would be fair.

I you don't, then it isn't the decision that bothers you.

She has no control over Schumer.
It is his wrong headed decision that should be condemned.

[Metric System]

7. I would say the majority of the comments on DailyKos are mocking the poster's assertions. Example:

"Reading all the reasoned comments, eric, (20+ / 0-) to show what crap this diary and its argument amount to."

[jalan48]

8. "Tepid" definitely describes Hillary.

She has zero passion about almost everything except becoming POTUS. It's as if becoming POTUS is the end in itself.

[George II]

9. "Spineless"?

[99th_Monkey]

10. Hillary's foreign policy: Now you see it, now you don't.

Yes Hillary is straining hard to sound reasonably 'liberal' on foreign policy NOW while
she's on the campaign trail,

We would see a whole different Hillary sitting in the WH, likely saying "we tried that
negotiating stuff, and it didn't work" <-- thanks to her buddy Sen Schumer killing
Obama's brilliantly negotiated arms deal with Iran.

I have no faith whatsoever that Hill's 'support' for Obama's Iran deal would be something
she'd fight tooth & nail to revive and push through Congress. none.

[Godhumor]

12. Glad to see Hillary Derangement Syndrome in the media is still going strong

Sheesh.

[George II]

14. Yeah, they're really getting desperate now - she's in favor of the deal........

........but apparently that's not good enough!

[sufrommich]

18. It's not even the media,it's some guy's OP from Kos.

My guess is a DUer too.

[George II]

13. "Saban is a top donor to Clinton's Super PAC"

Clinton doesn't have a Super PAC....do we have to go over Federal Campaign Finance laws again?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

16. Is Schumer running for office in Tel Aviv?

It seems that's where his priorities lay.

[Persondem]

19. Oh, I get it ... it's "Guilt by Association"!!

What a crock. HRC has declared her support for the Iran nuclear deal, and she cannot be held responsible for what other people do with their time and energy.

[fbc]

24. That link is three weeks old

Where does she stand on it today?

[Persondem]

26. How about you Google it yourself and let me know if she has changed her mind. nt.

[fbc]

32. Let's give her a few days to talk it over with Schumer and Wasserman Schultz

[still_one]

37. No they won't do that because it would destroy their talking point. If they think they are helping

Bernie with this garbage they are sorely misguided

[MyNameGoesHere]

20. I often wonder what makes a person

reduce themselves to crawl in the skum of baseless rumor mongering an innuendo hawking. When I see it come from long time members I have to think something tragic has caused them to disrobe and expose their true selves.

[fbc]

33. Maybe it is the tragic republicanization of their party?

[blackspade]

21. Yep. I guess we'll see if she shanks the President again.

It looks more and more likely every day.

[Laser102]

22. She backs Obama's Iran deal.

Nothing to explain. Seriously, What are you looking for???? Why she backs the deal?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

28. That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Hillary supports the Iran deal. She has no obligation to explain the actions of someone who donates or endorses her. What Fucking plebeian mouth breather wrote this shitty DKos journal?

[EEO]

29. Hillary is a weak candidate, and vulnerable on so many fronts.

[GitRDun]

30. Bull cookies!

I realize the Hillary / Bernie food fight is big fun for you all, but this OP is a big swing and a miss!

That's like saying Bernie is responsible for the views of officials at Liberty University.

Back to the drawing board...

[cascadiance]

31. Both Hillary and Schumer have been heavy shills for H-1B program abusers...

... and have pushed for expansion of this program... Hillary makes no bones about it in this video interview...

Schumer over the years is the one that always works with Republicans like Orrin Hatch to push in a "compromise" to add H-1B program expansion to so many bills like the Immigration bill that failed (and I wanted it to fail unless it got that CRAP out of what could have been a great bill otherwise!)

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/301209-unions-rip-schumers-deal-on-visas

Even Breitbart gets it more right than Schumer does here on this program:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/18/senate-committee-warned-h-1b-visas-could-eliminate-stem-jobs-for-americans/

Note this story on how Schumer pushed back on the ban compromise that both Bernie Sanders and even Republican Charles Grassley pushed that would have banned TARP money recipients (Wall Street jerks that Schumer seems to be in bed with) from using H-1B program that would have allowed them to hire cheap oveseas labor instead of Americans that needed jobs!

http://www.businessinsider.com/schumer-vows-to-overturn-ban-on-tarp-takers-hiring-h-1b-workers-2009-2

And thank you Schumer and Clinton for pushing this CRAP!!! NOT! It's this kind of crap that has me out of work next week again in my contract work polluted job environment I have to work in now.

[yurbud]

34. although Orwellian in the extreme, the Iran deal is one of the best things Obama has done

AND it sets him apart from the GOP as taking a progressive stand.

[still_one]

35. Hillary came out earlier supporting the deal, and sorry to ruffle KOS panties, but

that hasn't changed, she still supports the deal

Perhaps Daily KOS should friend Maureen Dowd along with the NY Times along with the RNC and throw bullshit on innuendos and garbage

[jtuck004]

38. "why is it starting to look like the same story all over again"<Mostly, people don't change. n/t

[el scorcho]

39. Too much baggage

She is Jeb Bush in a pants suit.

Just say no.

[Godhumor]

49. "Jeb Bush in a pants suit"? Seriously?

Well, I can't wait to see how you will react when she is the nominee.

[el scorcho]

55. If she is the nominee

then we lose the White House

it's really that simple.

[NCTraveler]

40. I thought you were mocking people who do stuff like this to Hillary in your....

other wonderful anti-Clinton op today. Now I see that isn't the case. This is getting absurd how low some will go. I'm glad you and others are being educated with respect to the glowing falsehood you are spreading in order to hurt progressives.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. Bernie supporter here, but HRC has come out in favor of the deal.

Maybe she will come out more strongly later and appear to swing some crucial votes in the 11th hour.


She really has a chance to look like a hero here and she may well be planning on doing exactly that.

[HassleCat]

43. Maybe war would be good

Look how well it turned out in Vietnam and Iraq. Oh, well. With Clinton, we stand a 50/50 chance of avoiding another useless war. With any Republican, we'll be invading something January 21.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. Hillary is likely to change her mind on Iran

right now she supports it because everyone else is but down the road who knows what she will decide?

[Doctor_J]

53. This one is tough for Clinton

She is an AIPAC servant, yet needs to appear to not be pro-war to get through the primary. She might come out against the agreement after being nominated, when it won't matter since the Republican nominee will also be pro-war.

[ismnotwasm]

54. Yawn.

[DrBulldog]

56. But remember that if you ask Hillary to seriously explain something ...

... you will get banned from the Hillary thread.

[BlueMTexpat]

57. Oh, for dog's sake!

Hillary supports the Iran Deal. Schumer doesn't. It is traitor DINO Schumer and his neocon buddies who have have the explaining to do.

Yes, Hillary voted for the IWR. She shouldn't have and she has since recognized that as a mistake.

But Hillary was the Junior Senator from New York in 2002 and was most likely guided by Schumer et al., as well as by a lot of New Yorkers who were still understandably traumatized by 9-11 and who still weren't thinking straight. She's certainly learned not to be so trusting. Ever again.

Stop this crap about her "surrogates" - which is a lot of hysterical twiddle-twaddle. Such posts diminish your creds, IMO.