2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDear Marissa and other members of Seattle BLM:
I am a white progressive and I am an ally. I may be an imperfect ally, but I try and learn. I try to really listen and move beyond my privilege.
I am not a "white supremacist liberal".
I will remain an ally, despite disagreeing completely with your actions today. Threatening, screaming and demanding that we hold Sanders accountable for unspecified actions, is not a tactic that I see as a good one. I remain an ally because I want to see real change in the deep systemic racism that infects this country. I remain an ally despite your actions. But I'll hazard a guess that you folks turned off quite a few people today, not from opposing racism but from the vehicle that is BLM.
Sincerely,
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)I ask that in a totally neutral state of mind. It just seems that the enemy of progress is not anyone on the left, but rather those on the right. I haven't read the threads yet about what happened today.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)
The empressof all
(29,106 posts)I'm tuning out and hooking up with my Korean Dramas on Drama Fever...... Wonder if I can get the SO to get some black bean noodles and soju
jeff47
(26,549 posts)
peacebird
(14,195 posts)us from the stage in Seattle.
CrispyQ
(40,937 posts)Said most of us are racists & not doing our candidate any favors. 
bvar22
(39,909 posts)*
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)on Civil Rights we've had in a long time. I think these tactics are becoming 'questionable' not just to Bernie supporters but to AAs who are not in this for political reasons, but because the ISSUE itself has NOT BEEN addressed by ANY Political Party for DECADES.
Thankfully it backfired and those who sincerely want to see some action to protect AAs from our so-called Civilian Police will continue their efforts to get that protection, despite nothing happening from the DOJ so far.
AllyCat
(18,813 posts)Have you seen Cali's post today? While I am an imperfect ally trying to learn, as she states, I will not be driven away from the goal of trying to make this country better for those living with injustice.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)will spend billions to see that he doesn't make it. It will get worse, a lot worse. Sen Sanders knew that if he dared challenge the Oligarchs choice he and his family would be in danger. In spite of that, he took the risk. It's up to us to try to protect him.
This is a class war and Sen Sanders is on one side and Clinton and Goldman-Sachs are on the other.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)
merrily
(45,251 posts)I can't say for certain, but I think I would have more rage in their shoes--and I don't mean against Obama, just against everyone in power.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hillary has money and is part of the in-crowd and as we are constantly reminded is doing well in the polls, so why Bernie? Makes no sense. What is more other candidates and the Obama administration get more press coverage. The BLM actions make no sense. They are not aimed to change things. What is their. Real purpose? I cannot believe that Hillary is behind this. That also would be too great a risk for no gain.
The BLM leaders need to explain why they don't want to let Bernie speak. There actions are not very productive in terms of the result h ey claim they want. That is poor organizing.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)because that is where the biggest war is. I'm sure the oligarchy is quite pleased with BLM since Bernie is the only last real threat to the oligarch backed candidates.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)African Americans nearby told them to hush up. Lol
840high
(17,196 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I ask because my rep is Stephen Lynch (D).
jeff47
(26,549 posts)the republican crowd would just beat the shit out of them.
But they pick on Bernie.
What the fucks up with that?
840high
(17,196 posts)the shit out of them, too.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They were paid.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The question is, by whom. Presumably by someone who has much to lose as Bernie's message gets to more people. Hmmmm, wonder who that might be?
7962
(11,841 posts)by becoming the word used for ANYTHING
japple
(10,459 posts)Wonder what he's up to these days?
yardwork
(69,307 posts)I'm not suggesting that you are racist. However, you may not realize how racist it sounds to suggest that black people can't be protesting on their own, no matter how misguided, without their being paid.
That's an old racist stereotype: the black person who can't think for themselves but has to be paid for their vote. Obama phone, anyone?
Getting back to the protesters, the reason they were able to disrupt Sander's event is because of security at the event. Of course they attacked the "nicest" candidate. He was the easiest to attack.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)all Black people won't let themselves be manipulated for money. It works both ways, and in this case your assertion makes less sense due to their choice of target.
Here's how I see these protesters, if they aren't bought they are at least stupid, there is no good point I can associate with them. They protest their best ally and the candidate that gets the least air time on the news, what is so smart about that? And for the movement they claim to advocate, they only hurt it.
Here's a clue, black people are human too. Not all humans are honorable and honest no matter what color, ethnicity, or religion, etc. Most are good, some are bad and some are stupid, some are smart, some are saints, etc., etc., no exceptions for any reason.
Most people have a price at which they will become selfish. Some are expensive to be bought and some are cheap. I don't know the back story on these protesters and I doubt you do either. Maybe they aren't above taking donations and subtle hints at the direction their protests should take that could allow them to quit their day jobs.
It just seems funny they haven't done their homework and are protesting the one candidate that was fighting for their cause certainly before they were born and probably before their parents were even born.
If they could think for themselves they would be supporting him!
yardwork
(69,307 posts)The old "people who don't support my candidate must be idiots" meme.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...is as old as American Politics.
To even suggest that every single Black Person in America can NOT be bought is unrealistic.
I imagine the sellouts are about equal with the sellouts inside the Democratic Party Leadership.
Bernie would like to change that Status Quo.
Those disrupting his campaign events really haven't thought it through.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)but I'd suggest it would be far more likely the right would be paying them. The far right in the US are the ones that benefit if the word "racist" is diluted to the point this argument is watering it down to. After all, who cares if a candidate is racist if literally everyone is racist? And to claim that it's racist to think these women were paid to do this is heading in that general direction. Ratfucking is as old as the hills, even if it wasn't always called that, and people of all races have taken part in it.
I don't personally think they're being paid. I think they just want attention for themselves and don't much care about anything beyond that, including any damage they might to do whatever movement they attach themselves to to get that attention. And they're not really attacking Bernie because he's Bernie. They're doing it because he's probably the only politician making a bid for president that won't have them tazed and beaten.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)It really doesn't make much sense to me what they are attempting to accomplish unless it is really designed to disrupt Sanders campaign. Why attack Sanders who has been an early and ardent supporter of Black issues?
sammythecat
(3,597 posts)and, while I also agree with BLM's agenda, I don't like their tactics at all. Their actions imply that Bernie Sanders is somehow racist or, at best, just doesn't care. That's just flat out wrong and beyond insulting to the intelligence of anyone who's been paying attention.
That shit yesterday really pissed me off. If they destroy his candidacy will they have succeeded? Is that their short term goal right now? They have a very serious and very legitimate complaint, buy they're dealing with it in a very seriously stupid and self-defeating way in my opinion.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)But one well heeled democrat specifically.
tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)What does this mean? Thanks in advance.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)
Ron Green
(9,870 posts)
SunSeeker
(58,245 posts)"Bernie, you were confronted at NetRoots at by black women," Johnson said. "You have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like O’Malley did."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55c68f14e4b0923c12bd197e
mnhtnbb
(33,333 posts)on any subject just because a particular group wants one NOW. They're acting
like a bunch of little kids throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting
what they want when they want it.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)America, and a few folks jumped up on stage, and demanded the microphone to talk about an unrelated issue, I wonder what the reaction would be?
840high
(17,196 posts)
tblue
(16,350 posts)The same issue, only warped and divisive.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Why are they treating Bernie and his supporters like an enemy?
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)they have allowed themselves to be manipulated and used and in this way, someone is "killing two birds with one stone."
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)is not the best target by a long shot.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)That another black kid was shot today in Texas (Color my white ass Surprised) And once again I find and feel the total injustice of these systemic murders going on across the country, On this level my heart is with the BLM movement, What went down in Seattle earlier today was not a positive action, Alienating ones allies especially does not help but hurts a bold and righteous protest of injustices,
My sincere condolences to all the young black men who have lost their lives.
cali
(114,904 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)necessary to your point of view. I don't think that the two women on stage give a damn about linking black and white together to fix things. Some of their remarks were pissy and pissed and they didn't give a damn. They lumped all whites together and frankly, I think they're tripping on going up and messing things up.
Twitter is mauling them. They did SERIOUS damage today with this continuous harassment of the one candidate who will help them. I don't think they care for a lot of reasons including deep rage and flaming egotism. Categorical condemnations of whites in general sorta rang that bell for me. I also think that they won't got to repug rallies because they could get shot. Twitter is blazing about this and they blame this on hillary because they are only disrupting Bernie. This was a very bad tactical move for their position.
Too bad. This is too important an issue to be left in the hands of jackasses.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)I was even considering going to Ferguson to protest I felt so deeply about this issue.
BLM (It was more than the 2 girls) really pissed me off today.
If they want to fix the problem of cops killing unarmed black/any people, this isn't the way to do it.
I am ashamed of them.
No I will figure out how to go on that twitter thing and trash them....
After we waited 5 minutes in silence to remember Brown, they didn't leave. Really pissed off a lot of
people who drove a long way to see Bernie.
Like they don't care about anything else.
840high
(17,196 posts)Bohunk68
(1,455 posts)That is just about the way that I am seeing it too. As a gay man, I saw decades ago, that the struggle for POC's, GLBT's, and wimmin's equal rights have all been the same struggle. BLM's actions do not support the same struggle for all.
sammythecat
(3,597 posts)Definitely a lot of that displayed on that stage yesterday. Good bit of stupidity as well.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Real lives are being lost right now. There's a very real problem going on in this countries at this moment. So why would a movement trying to work to better this issue focus so much of their angst towards a single candidate on their side who may or may not become president in 1.5 years, when there are more direct routes to enact change for the better now, including a sitting president who can absolutely understand blm's point of view.
None of this makes a bit of logic. Either the movement is being co-opted or it's being driven by pure emotion and Bernie has become their outlet.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It's a very decentralized movement. I highly doubt they had more than a handful of activists in which ever group planned this and decided to do this action.
The #BowDownBernie protest doesn't represent all the activists in Seatltle.
Let's embrace the movement as a whole, while perhaps disapproving of these particular organizers of #BowDownBernie.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It could have been but there is no way to know that for sure, so we have to assume it's local.
My guess is that national activists were caught by surprise today just like we were. They're probably still figuring out how to respond, if at all.
The best attitude for Sanders supporters should be to support the movement in general while disapproving of targeting of Senator Sanders in particular. Making an enemy out of entire hashtag like #BlackLives would be a bad move. You can't fight a hashtag. It's like fighting a ghost.
Some activists are going to repeatedly disrupt. We know that now. Getting angry and going into an internet rage isn't going to help. How Sanders supporters react will make a big difference.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)if they were held to the same standard for an immediate and completely acceptable response that their group held Bernie Sanders to?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)A documentary could be made over what has occurred in the past month (including online posts) and it would paint a very clear picture of what has transpired.
R. P. McMurphy
(863 posts)we should proceed. I don't know if this was or was not centrally-coordinated. My points are that:
1) I, as an old, white, male liberal cannot allow my feelings to to be hurt and therefore blind/deter from the true goal - that we on the left - all races, genders, orientations, social/economic classes; work together to gain power and institute real reform of our woefully broken system.
2) Black lives do appear to be in especial peril. I cannot begin to feel the justifiable outrage or hopelessness that must be a daily fact of life for our black brothers and sisters. They have waited far too long for justice and fair treatment. All of us must band together to demand that it happen now.
3) We Bernie supporters have been called out as an insensitive lot and told that we are a big obstacle to his broader support. We must turn the other cheek, accept it as how we are perceived, and continue to work on Bernie's behalf with a smile and a good heart. Truth, compassion and perseverance are our allies.
This is just my two-cents worth but it is what I believe and what I will do. Please, all of us, be wary of the trap the powers-that-be would love to see us walk into. We must be patient with and watch out for each other. Together, we are formidable and unstoppable. Only together will we be able to change the bullshit-that-is.
Scruffy1
(3,533 posts)Call me cynical, but I've been around long enough to see some strange things from the 60's on. I am always wary of pop up organizations because they are easily manipulated or at the worst merely "front" groups. Their focus on Bernie is very suspicious to me. All volunteer organizations are easy to take over, and i doubt if they have much organization. This allows almost anything to go on under the banner.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)I predate the '60's and these organizations are wide open for manipulation. There are any number of nasties that could be behind this one. If anyone as solidly behind the BLM message as myself could be turned off, it's bad news.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)it seems obvious to me.
Nay
(12,051 posts)manipulation and dirty tricks could easily explain what happened at that rally. The fact that it happened to Bernie's rally is telling. Why Bernie? Supposedly he's some cranky unknown senator from a tiny state who'll get a tiny fraction of votes and disappear back to where he came from.
That was the squeal of a diddled rodent: Divide, conquer, divert the focus, get 'em to form up the circular firing squad, hide behind a label "you can't say that about me, I'm a ...", catapult the stuff at the windmill, vague name calling. Business as usual.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,411 posts)I hope this may awaken some of those on DU who seem to be going after BLM more than Trump or Bush.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410399/-One-of-yesterday-s-BLM-protestors-is-was-a-SARAH-PALIN-SUPPORTER-WTF
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)You don't have a clue what you are talking about. And it is getting sickening listening to people making excuses for this group of loudmouth ego trippers.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)But an ally of BLM? Fuck no. I have no respect for people who punch down, and threaten, someone who is already on their side. Let me know when they bump Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton or anyone not named Bernie off the stage. Until then, fuck 'em.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)BLM is hurting the cause they claim to support. They are no ally of progressives.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Dems are a coalition of many groups, including black people who have been central to pushing for much progressive legislation over the past century. How divisive can you get? Who do you think will go to the polls for candidates on the left? The Teabaggers are learning the limits of exclusionary politics. How does your statement reflect progressive thinking? I don't see it.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)This is what you don't see.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The BLM people who hijacked the event in Seattle are the divisive ones. They are the ones who accused progressives of being white supremacists. HOW CAN I BE MORE DIVISIVE THAN THAT?!!!!!!!!
WOW indeed.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Because that is what you are asking us to do here.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Your post makes no sense whatsoever.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)the base of the party and arriving at common cause? Not a thing.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I'll continue supporting the NC NAACP and Moral Mondays everywhere...
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)
sammythecat
(3,597 posts)Especially the "fuck 'em" part.
FuzzyRabbit
(2,214 posts)From her Facebook page:
"PRESS RELEASE: "MEDIA CONTACTS: Marissa Johnson (360) 840-6234 blacklivesmatterseattle@gmail.com"
https://www.facebook.com/BLMSeattle/posts/716844418437393
Her phone number is in area code 360. Seattle's area code is 206.
From wikipedia: "Area code 360 is the area code for western Washington state outside of the greater Seattle metropolitan area. It began service on January 15, 1995. The area, which encompasses all of western Washington outside of urban King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties and Bainbridge Island, was previously part of area code 206.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_area_codes
pugetres
(507 posts)but my number is from the Bay Area. Mobile phones are sort of mobile.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Well, those disruptive asses don't have my son's permission to do so. They don't "get it."
My son is half Palestinian. Yes. I was married to a Palestinian.
How DARE they accuse me - the mother of a son with a Muslim name - of not "getting it." Fuck. He has it as bad if not worse. My son commits a traffic violation and he'll be accused of terrorism after he's killed.
The empressof all
(29,106 posts)The Seattle area for many people extends down to Tacoma and up to Everett and the Eastside to Issaquah. Cell phones now have a number of different area codes depending where you purchase it or if you belong to a family group. I know many people like myself who live in the burbs who just say I'm from Seattle....It's easier and gives folks outside the state a point of reference.
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bobclark86
(1,415 posts)You should probably rethink your use of the word "thug."
You know, the word the GOP uses to describe that same group of people.
Just sayin'...
Old Crow
(2,268 posts)I'm not really up on the dog-whistles employed by the GOP. For what it's worth, to my mind, thuggery has always been the best word to describe those who use force and initimidation to get their way, nothing more or less.
snort
(2,334 posts)And another word changes its meaning at the drop of a hat. Yes, 'thug' is apparently the new 'n' word.
Best new word to describe those who use force and intimidation to get their way: Inforcidators!
Really, just make shit up.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)wanted to be seen and heard. It was more about their individual egos and not about the protest itself. They loved to shout others down and control the meeting. I get the feeling Marissa falls into this category of "protester".
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)such people.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)With the FOI act we found out that Hover had a program to do just that.
And I don't believe it stopped just because we found out about it...so I am suspicious always when people do things like that.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)(Yeah, I get the reference).
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)I'm so depressed and angry tonight. I guess that's what BLM wants.
cali
(114,904 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)than in getting results. They figured they could get away with this and that it would make them look "activist", but it was about the most ham-handed and poorly directed "protest" that they could have possibly come up with. Hopefully wiser heads will prevail in that movement, because they certainly aren't going to get many white joiners if today's performance is going to be business as usual for them.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)Is like arming the enemy.Having said that, I personaly would ask BLM activists before I spoke to have a represenitive of the movement speak,If not I would ask that they do not disrupt(Think Bernie Sanders).That would be a win _win .
cali
(114,904 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)Trump is a major racist, why do they pick on Bernie?
Why not Hillary?
Why not Walker?
swilton
(5,069 posts)Today was evidence that no one is in charge.....
On top of that to apologize after doing something they deliberately set out to do - very poor messaging....
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The 'apology' came from a teenager unaffiliated with BLM.
romanic
(2,841 posts)I only have two words for them (for any avid WWE/F fans, you know which words I'm talking about lol).
Those women don't speak for this POC and I'm sure they don't speak for the majority of POC within BLM either. They're attention-seeking immature loons.
cali
(114,904 posts)LoisB
(12,972 posts)in the wrong direction. I don't mind protest, but protest ALL of the candidates. Why aren't they protesting Hillary? Better yet, why aren't they protesting Trump, Bush, Walker, and that group of "candidates" who really don't give a rat's behind about them. Is this being orchestrated by the Clinton campaign?
yardwork
(69,307 posts)Next we'll hear oft the return of the all powerful Clenis.
Personally, I think that the protesters disrupted Bernie's event because his security is a little lax, but mostly because it's always easier to pick on the nicest kid.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)1 year after the Murder of Michael Brown...so I think emotions anger are very high.RIP MICHAEL BROWN
cali
(114,904 posts)And it was hugely counterproductive.
TNProfessor
(83 posts)I give two shits about offending Bernie, Hillary or anyone else when these young men and women are dying and nothing is happening. #blacklivesmatter
cali
(114,904 posts)And they just lost thousands. It's not about offending Bernie. They went well beyond that today.
If they stop caring about black lives getting killed over those three people then those people were never allies to begin with. Systematic murder is way more important than one politician's campaign stop. We are talking about a murderous police force not a delayed campaign speech. People are dying.
cali
(114,904 posts)And not support blm, right? That's what I'm seeing all over the liberal net- including poc.
Oh,and this was far more than just interrupting a speech. Have you even watched the video?
I think steering the conversation away from the realities faced by POC because we are upset over Bernie or Hillary or anyone is the problem. We have like ten threads over this. How many over Christian Taylor? That is the problem. I am more attached to the victims than any politician.
cali
(114,904 posts)speakers scheduled at the rally identified himself as a member of BLM, right. They threw a tantrum. They threatened both verbally and.physically. And the event they disrupted was about social security and the social safety net. It was.not a campaign rally.
Losing allies is will.not help the Christian Taylors. And no,dear, I don't have.ten threads on this.
It's not rocket science but it does seem to elude.you
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)I damn sure missed you.
cali
(114,904 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)Exactly!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Nice to "meet" you.
That said - this action was beyond the pale. It wasn't about protesting to get a candidate to hear you. It was about disrupting and pissing people off.
Yes, what is happening to our brothers and sisters of color is inexcusable, but why alienate the one candidate who gives a shit?
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...when BLM disrupts one of Hillary's events. Thanks.
TNProfessor
(83 posts)My first concern is not worrying that when my husband is ten minutes late from a basketball shoot around that he is pulled over by the police or that my son will, from toddlerhood, be viewed as a threar. That is paramount in my world. I do not support Hillary or Bernie or the guy in my avatar. I have not decided and I am not anti-Bernie.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and agree: this issue is an urgent one and no one needs to apologize for bringing it front and center. But when one candidate is singled out in this way, it does not actually advance the cause IMO.
Yes both Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley were disrupted at Netroots Nation. Since then, it has been only Bernie. And that does not strike me as either fair or constructive. Instead of advancing the message on a broad front, BLM has made it into a focused attack on a single candidate, thus diluting the message greatly.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)
That makes no sense Professor....then why make him your avatar?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)If elected.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)It makes no sense, but I am white so some will probably say I am part of the problem.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I'm critical of what they did and I'm quite clear about that.
backscatter712
(26,357 posts)Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised to hear that those that disrupted Bernie's speech today weren't actually real #BLM members, but were stooges hired by some shadowy right-wing group? Such an operation would both discredit #BLM and attack Bernie Sanders, turning his strength, his civil-rights record, into a weakness...
Ratfucking is a very old tradition in the U.S...
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Didn't go down very well. 
mudstump
(353 posts)who is speaking truth about the most powerful, drawing huge crowds, connecting with the voting public has made him enemy number one with the billionaire class. There are some very powerful people who are foaming at the mouth to get him out of this race. It stinks to high heaven that Bernie is the only candidate being targeted. He needs major security pronto and I'll be sending him another donation to help with the cost.
Like others here I support ending police abuse and the problem needs to be addressed immediately, however BLM lost me as a supporter for good. I am pissed at what they did.
backscatter712
(26,357 posts)If what I heard is correct, the group that disrupted Bernie today only set up their Facebook page the day before.
mountain grammy
(29,005 posts)I wouldn't be surprised
Baadger
(56 posts)The have done Bernie a favor. All he has to say now is:
1. I marched with MLK
2. I was arrested at a civil rights demonstration
The people that disrupted Bernie's speech may even have been arranged by Bernie's campaign manager!
George II
(67,782 posts)backscatter712
(26,357 posts)I'm smelling a ratfuck more than ever now.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)If any of our candidates understands what it is like to be hated by white supremacists it is Bernie. Do these kids not know who he is? Or what his family faced? All they know is he is a white man running for President.
Bernie Sanders was born in 1941. His grandparents still lived in Poland then. Nazi Germany ruled the area. They were Jewish. They died in the concentration camps because of who they were.
White supremacist? These kids could not be more wrong.
cali
(114,904 posts)
ananda
(35,079 posts)It really doesn't make sense.
It moves into the realm of the bizarre and the surreal for me.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Either that, or they have a longstanding grievance with the locals who organized the event and they wanted to embarrass them.
ananda
(35,079 posts)... the irrationality might be understandable in light of what Black people
have been put through over the last 15 years.
I don't think that many people in this country are thinking rationally or
clearly, including most politicians and officials.
I see Bernie Sanders as a kind of exception here. So attacking him is
a sign of extreme upset and a totally irrational response on the part
of Black people. That in itself might be a sign of the deep and extreme
fear that has resulted from the oppression that has taken a stark and
violent turn coming from the very institutions that are supposedly
designed to protect members of the society. That has to be really
crazymaking.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The leadership and protest actions of BLM against Sanders? Not so much.
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pnwmom
(110,254 posts)Things went downhill from there.
cali
(114,904 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)These ego maniacs don't give a rats ass about anything but being seen as all pissed off.
Calling me a racist because I wanted them off the stage so Bernie could talk?
Really?
Racist?
This is blowing up in their dumbass faces.
Good.
840high
(17,196 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(10,411 posts)It gives Democrats time to get our acts together. BLM has every right to target the potential leader of the party. It would be a waste of their time and resources not to. I suspect once next summer rolls around and there are two candidates standing, they will protest the Republican as well. That is IF they can get close enough to do so.
cali
(114,904 posts)After this, Bernie will employ security.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,411 posts)But he may put a few of them on his payroll. This is potentially a grenade that could undermine decades of work by all involved. And he needs to broaden his tent.
cali
(114,904 posts)It only takes one.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,411 posts)
kacekwl
(9,132 posts)Shoving aside one of the few people that could help is really bad form and counterproductive.
flamingdem
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Chemisse
(31,338 posts)This is very poor strategy on their part - if indeed it was any kind of strategy, rather than the actions of a couple of rogues.
Many white people are deeply upset about the police killing of unarmed blacks. This past year has seen a huge increase in awareness. Liberals of all colors are ready to support major changes in police training and practices, and will hopefully elect politicians who will do so. We need to work together on this. Alienating people who care about this is really not a good idea.
And they are too stupid to understand this Chem.
Calling me a racist?
Really?
How is that gonna help their cause?
The empressof all
(29,106 posts)This was attention seeking behavior by two impulsive people under the guise of promoting their cause. It was an easy venue to take over and they rightly gambled that they would be permitted to have their little public snit fit. I will now probably question Black Life Matters activities in the future in Seattle. They have lost me.....But I don't really think these two give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and their indignation. I don't really think they care about a bigger picture nor do they care about extending their message outside of their core. It was all about the moment...They think they won. No way to win a battle....No way to win a war.
I am interested to hear what the pundits will say about this.....I honestly don't see how they can be defended...or will it just be ignored by black media and leaders.
mnhtnbb
(33,333 posts)I will repeat what I said up thread in # 139
It's ludicrous to think a candidate is going to put out a policy paper
on any subject just because a particular group wants one NOW. They're acting
like a bunch of little kids throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting
what they want when they want it.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)concern about Bernie but the methods will kill the message. And I don't mind holding any candidate's feet to the fire.
sellitman
(11,745 posts)They got attention to their cause which should be our cause too. You think if they did that at a GOP event ANYONE there would of cared?
They were spot on in their choice and I wish others understood how important their message.
cali
(114,904 posts)demanding he bow down to them, is not only despicable, it's counterproductive.
,
sellitman
(11,745 posts)With a perfect chance to elevate their cause or lose the black vote. To me that is what we should take out of that meeting.
The ball is now in our court.
progressoid
(53,136 posts)Tearing down an ally is probably the worst thing for the cause.
sammythecat
(3,597 posts)let me know when they disrupt the campaign of someone who's not an ally. Until then, fuck 'em.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)here they come..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=503492
Funny that this guy felt that kind of shit belonged here.
Fuck this.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Agreed.
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)on thus one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=502910
Second time I've seen this reference in the last several weeks.
Class act, the lot of them. Full stop.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Great post.....
cali
(114,904 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Who has publicly stated that in order to implement their agenda they will employ any means necessary. I will not condone or advocate violence and employing a any means necessary attitude includes advocating violence. These young women are angry and think lashing out at people they apparently have no political knowledge of, is the appropriate thing to do. It displays their immaturity and lack of political sophistication. The official BLM movement should immediately dis-avow Marissa Johnson and her "Outside Agitator 206" organization or face discrediting their entire organization.
beam me up scottie
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Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Cali speaks for me too.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Not if you want to be taken seriously.
Nay
(12,051 posts)nothing to apologize for and does not owe those two a damn thing.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)I'm right there with them in spirit. I just realize the root of the problem. The hate, the racism, is all corporate trickle down. In fact, I think it may be the only thing that ever has trickled down from the Wall St Reagan lovers.
Now and then you catch a glimpse behind the curtain of a Donald Sterling and you get a small taste of how they view others. Just like major corporations like Walmart and Aetna who help get far right republicans into office. Far right republicans who use that money to back hate filled plans and start hate filled websites that drive their hate filled white wacko drones into killing sprees.
Behind all the pain, all the loss, is a grateful shareholder who while publicly may disdain the practice, in private they sup on the finest meals, wines they can afford and live in the luxury they feel they are entitled to by their deeds.
McKim
(2,426 posts)Meanwhile back at the ranch, many Sanders supporters are being kept busy with this one time event and are not out there working to promote his issues. This was a brilliant agent provacateur event. They accomplished their goals of disrupting and discrediting Sander's campaign, they divided the progressive left, they got Sanders and the campaign off topic so that the issues were not highlighted and they discredited Black Lives Matter at the same time. This is a lot of damage done by very few people.
I suggest that Duers get back to work on supporting their presidential candidates and get back to the real work of bringing economic justice and civil rights and climate change and all we care about front and center.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)I am a white woman so I have no idea how it feels to live in darker skin here in the US. I can only imagine. But I know that Bernie is different. I think he really cares. Meet with Bernie, BLM. Don't criticize until he screws up. I'm sure he will listen and act. Give Bernie a chance.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)McKim
(2,426 posts)This was a brilliant move by agent provacavteurs or their dupes who accomplished a lot. They discredited and disrupted the Sanders campgain. They got Sanders and his supporters off the important work of getting the issues out there in front of the public. They got negative publicity for the Sanders campaign and Black Lives Matter all in one event. They divided the progressive left and got them
fighting among themselves so that they were made to look like fools and they could not promote their agenda to the general public.
Get back to work, Duers and stop giving this one time event so much power and concern.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)BeanMusical
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lark
(26,068 posts)One of them worse a Sarah Palin button during the last election, why should I listen to a thing she has to say? BLM are not protesting the Repugs, the ones that hate them and think it's OK to kill them. Some people saying they are BLM are trashing the person who has done the most for POC over the years. Does this make any sense at all? NO! I really doubt these provocateurs truly care or why aren't they attacking the real problem?
The BLM people protesting in Baltimore and Ferguson don't seem to have anything at all to do with the disruptors.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)Can't say as I blame them, they fell for a sham protest in their hurry to dis Bernie. Sad.
MisterP
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of being the bullies and worst racists EVAR one time too many
and of COURSE argued that criticism of Obama is only because Whites have the privilege of being disappointed in policy (while Blacks are content just because he's Black--yeah, that's antiracist)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)defending this fraudulent nitwit will climb down from their high horses and give the rest of DU the apology it deserves?
I'm not gonna hold my breath.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)My belief is that many are offended by the Progressive's criticisms of Obama. Obama is the first black President and is seen as almost a mythic figure by some. I don't blame them for their love of Obama but I think they are taking criticisms of him personally. If you notice Hillary has criticized Obama very little which would draw many black voters to her.
Catherina
(35,568 posts) old friend!cali
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