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[Zorra]

1. I love #BLM. They are going to convince so many voters to vote for Bernie that they are going

to put Bernie over the top, and win the nomination for us.

[BillZBubb]

31. ?

[betterdemsonly]

2. I think they are a legit movement that is too loosely organized and they are being coopted

by Obama/Hillary supporters. What bugs me is the strawmaning that he believes all racism is economic. He has never ever said that, but that is a Hillary strawman. It is obvious. They are losing credibility now.

[betterdemsonly]

7. Many black greens view him as a threat to whom ever the green nominee will be

and they are also apart of black lives matter. Read BLack Agenda Report. I like them but they are partisan greens. I have been a green voter on some issues so I have been affiliated with these people, but I am always a progressive first and partisan second and Bernie has the best shot of making a real difference in our country.

I think some of the anti-bernie angst could be coming from partisan greens as well.

[Ken Burch]

18. Never mind that the Greens have never pulled any significant share of the AA vote.

Even when they nominated Cynthia McKinney(a person whose passion and principles I still deeply admire).

I mean...Bernie can't be trusted but Jill Stein CAN? On what planet does that make sense?

[betterdemsonly]

20. It doesn't but I am a regular reader of Black Agenda Report and most they time the make good

points. Most of the time they are worth reading, but they do take a kneejerk progreen position, and yes a pro-McKinney position. They do spread the myth that Bernie thinks white supremacism is just an economic problem. Evidently the leader of this Seattle BLM group quoted an article from BAR on their facebook page. That would indicate that she is motivated by 3rd party loyalties.

[jfern]

9. So they only shutdown their allies?

Umm, very unusual tactics there.

[LuvNewcastle]

19. If all they wanted to do was to get Bernie

to listen to them, I'm sure he would give them time, and he would probably do just about anything that was reasonable to help them.

They don't have to get on stage and tell him he's a hypocrite or a white supremacist in order to get his attention. I believe their main agenda is to take Bernie off-message, or even better for them, keep Bernie from talking at all.

It's his message that's so dangerous to those in charge, and they will do anything to keep him quiet. These idiots who are disrupting are nothing but pawns. I wonder how much they're being paid.

[daybranch]

23. paid or not they are certainly pawns

they know little about the cause of racism and are at this point pawns. Hopefully they will wake up soon and endorse the candidate who would do most against systemic racism, and that is Bernie Sanders or do they just want to keep getting platitudes and crumbs from more establishment candidates. I would ask their leaders to read black leader W.E. B. Dubois "Black Reconstruction" rather than just rant in ignorance of the oligarchy's need to keep poor whites and people of color separated.
Bernie does not really go off message because his message is that it is all connected and he has a great knowledge of how the system has always worked to divide the races in order to perpetuate the oligarchy.

[FlatBaroque]

22. Spot on, I think

I can think of quite a few PoC who support Hillary that would jump at the chance of feeling involved through an operation like this. But Bernie has been around the block a few times....

[starroute]

24. All I see is that they are very young, very frustrated, and somewhat naive

The BLM people know what is happening to their brothers and sisters. They know the strategies of the last 50 years haven't worked. They see the black establishment as corrupt and sold out. And they are determined to do things differently and act in a way that can't be ignored.

What they don't seem to realize is that they're repeating the mistakes of the past in a slightly different form. They're taking "being annoying" as their primary tactic. And that doesn't get people's attention. It just gets them annoyed.

I wish there was an easy alternative. And I can see hints of a few in the long run -- but none that is viable right in the present moment. And that means things are only going to get angrier and more confrontational.

[Shrike47]

28. They are certainly attracting my attention, and I am having a strong, visceral negative reaction.

[starroute]

32. Read this and you may feel more positively

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17551/the_women_behind_blacklivesmatter

What few realize, however, is that a movement often described as “‘leaderless,” and largely framed by the bodies of slain black men and boys, is being propelled by the efforts of women of color.

The Nov. 24, 2014 decision that Darren Wilson would not be indicted in the shooting death of Michael Brown prompted Synead Nichols, 23, and her friend Umaara Elliott, 19, to organize what would become Millions March NYC. It began as a Facebook event. “We maxed out everyone on our friends list,” says Umaara, “and they started RSVPing and resharing.” The website www. millionsmarchnyc.org debuted about a week later, and a Twitter handle, Instagram account and even a Tumblr page soon followed. . . .

Look into the roots of other #BlackLivesMatter protests, and you’ll often find women like Nichols, Elliott and Perez. Ferguson’s Millennial Activists United, founded in the wake of Brown’s death, was created by three young women of color, Ashley Yates, Alexis Templeton and Brittany Ferrell (after meeting in Ferguson, Templeton and Ferrell married in January).

The hashtag that has become the movement’s signature, #BlackLivesMatter, was itself coined by three black queer women, in response to George Zimmerman’s acquittal in the killing of Trayvon Martin.

[juxtaposed]

3. blm is making some change with bernie which I feel is positive

Taken from portland blm FB page

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-campaign-adds-young-black-woman-as-new-public#.miV1BeE

[stranger81]

12. So if he doesn't do what they ask, he's a white supremacist, and if he does do what they ask,

he is pandering.

I see how this works.

[juxtaposed]

14. yes in the comments of one of your links

I don't think sanders is a panderer. I would like to see sanders bring local blm leaders into his rallies as pre sanders speakers.

[LWolf]

25. That's not a bad idea,

if they would say their piece and then hand over the mike peaceably.

[artislife]

6. Just watch this video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=504123

Thank you NCTraveler for posting.

Take Bernie and your love for Bernie out of the equation and listen. Put in the Vietnam War in if you need to replace BLM because of the emotion you may be feeling.

Now really listen and you will see why aggitation is the tool. This is not Hillary. This is not the RW. This is a people who are tired of asking for liberation, for the killing to stop.

Just watch.

[Ed Suspicious]

17. I'm afraid it will kill our candidate's chance to do anything about it.

[notadmblnd]

8. I'm not seeing this whole hearted support you speak of on BLM Portlands FB page

[notadmblnd]

13. I saw a couple posts mentioning it but offering no opinion other than responders

I saw several comments condemning their actions. Again, I'm not seeing whole hearted support. I also looked at BLM Detroit and there is not one single word about it there. https://www.facebook.com/events/1515048288709573/

And here's BLM's official FB page and guess what? There is nothing there. https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter So this whole hearted support you ARE SO GLEEFULLY REPORTING isn't actually whole hearted support.

[notadmblnd]

33. How you feeling about your right wing fundie extremist sarah palin supporting young woman today?

[Betty Karlson]

16. I understand the frustration. When drowning, you don't want to be told to calm down.

That being said, this is making a farce of a legitimate expression of concern. This takes the BLM movement out of the realm of constructive criticism and into the realm of partisan sabotage.

[dreamnightwind]

21. Thanks for the report - eom

[jberryhill]

26. Well they won't let Seattle outdo them, will they?

[romanic]

27. They don't care what POC who disagree have to say.

Sad but true and that will be thier downfall.

[MisterP]

29. this could actually become a project, checking all the FB and Twitter pages to see WHEN

verbiage like "colorblind economism" or "old white man" or "phony platitudes" started appearing and how quickly they spread--did these all crop up overnight or do they have a "genealogy"?

and, even more important, we want to look at the countervailing tendencies: are the people typing X or Y at the top or at the bottom (of an un-hierarchical movement)?

[David__77]

30. Liberalism has been the main target for segments of the left for decades.

For nearly a century, in fact. This is nothing new. The point, I think, is at least sometimes to create an ideological polarization between the right and the left.

[olddots]

34. stir it up