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murielm99

(32,988 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:57 AM Aug 2015

What is more important: Bernie Sanders or black lives?

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by TexasTowelie (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I have seen many threads here over the last couple of days asking us to marginalize, vilify and smear anything having to do with the BLM movement because they picked on poor Bernie...twice.

After BLM disrupted Netroots Nation, Bernie should have been better prepared. Before agreeing to speak at the smaller event celebrating Social Security and Medicare, he should have asked about security. Bernie should have learned from his very recent experience, especially when speaking in a city like Seattle, which is no stranger to protest. His failure to do so, and his very poor response to the BLM activists shows me that Bernie is not ready for the national stage. If he thinks this is as bad as it can get, he needs to take a look at what the Clintons have experienced for the last twenty years. He is nothing more than a fringe candidate. He is not Presidential material.

Of course, there has to be thread after thread here, shooting the messenger, smearing the protesters and the entire movement. They did not treat Bernie with kid gloves, they did not act like he is a demigod. The Bernie supporters here act entirely too much like Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, who hurry in to smear critics and victims alike. They try to dig up dirt on Michael Brown, Sandra Bland, or anyone dead or alive who mounts effective criticism.

I come here to discuss, to get the news, and to learn. I come here to support my candidate, Hillary Clinton. At least that is what I used to do. I have offered some criticisms of Bernie, but I have not vilified him the way Bernie supporters have vilified Hillary. Now, I see threads that have nothing to do with Clinton, where snark is thrown in at any opportunity. It reminds me of going to Amazon to find a book review, or to a movie website, and finding reader comments tearing down liberals, instead of providing information about books and movies. Not long ago, I found nasty comments about liberals on a cooking site. I was looking for new ways to prepare pork tenderloin, people!

I had hoped that this would have died down after a couple of days. Today, of all days, the Bernie supporters should have given it a rest. Today was the anniversary of Michael Brown's shooting in Ferguson. Could you have shown a little respect, just a little?

Some of the most squirelly and paranoid comments are blaming both Sander's disruptions on Hillary Clinton. Somehow, she and her campaign have a plot to disrupt his appearances. Why would they bother, when Clinton is so far ahead in the polls? And they seem to forget that the BLM disrupters are angry, angry people. Why would they allow white Hillary Clinton, or any of her supporters, to tell them what to think, how to act, what do do? They are fighting for their lives! They can think and act for themselves. It is doubly disrespectful to say that they need Hillary to guide them.

I repeat: what is more important, Bernie Sanders or black lives? That is how much you people seem to have simplified things.

Again, it is not Bernie Sanders. It is his supporters, whose behavior grows more incredible by the day. Grow the hell up, Sanders supporters. Get your priorities in order.

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What is more important: Bernie Sanders or black lives? (Original Post) murielm99 Aug 2015 OP
The disrupters are fundy republican Palin supporters. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #1
What is more stupid: this post, or the claim "I come here to discuss"? arcane1 Aug 2015 #2
Exactly. kath Aug 2015 #15
Why would you be defending someone who 840high Aug 2015 #3
If you support Hillary, then you should appreciate this thread wherein Bernie Sanders defends her. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #4
Gee, I don't know murielm99 ? What's more important: one person or... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #5
Acting like "white trash"? delete_bush Aug 2015 #6
You mean the people that shot into the crowd? Ah..Murderers?? BlueJazz Aug 2015 #9
I just find it amusing that if black folks "act up" delete_bush Aug 2015 #18
stupid question n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2015 #7
I support Bernie Sanders. Aerows Aug 2015 #8
Agree, Haven't read this much patronizing dribble since reading the last Hillary supporter's Katashi_itto Aug 2015 #33
It's disgusting Aerows Aug 2015 #35
Reports via twitter that St. Louis cops just shot a protester in Ferguson tonight. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #10
This should be the OP instead. artislife Aug 2015 #11
LBN thread on it here: Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #13
Jesus H. Christ. stranger81 Aug 2015 #31
According to latest report from CNN, dgibby Aug 2015 #38
Thank you. You are brave. riversedge Aug 2015 #12
You rec'd an op that called Bernie a racist Jew and used the Yiddish word for ni**er. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #14
I was about the post the same thing but i figured she would undo her REC m-lekktor Aug 2015 #16
I don't have a screen shot but I copied the thread info: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #19
You are not responding to the OP, murielm99 Aug 2015 #21
It doesn't matter that it was hidden. You rec'd a racist op. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #23
Respond to the OP I posted, murielm99 Aug 2015 #26
I did respond: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #28
I was responding to the fact that the OP mentioned murielm99 Aug 2015 #24
Oh I LOVE your post and your rec, it shows what some HC supporters think is more important than BLM. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #25
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #20
I certainly do have the nerve. murielm99 Aug 2015 #17
People recced that POS post? winter is coming Aug 2015 #39
SMARM! WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2015 #22
Magnanimity Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #27
Nice false dichotomy you've got there. stranger81 Aug 2015 #29
Jury results for OP saying Bernie Supporters are turning this site into garbage. RiffRandell Aug 2015 #30
false choice fallcy here nt msongs Aug 2015 #32
It isn't either/or. Bernie and his supporters have always backed blm and its goals. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #36
I don't care what you think of us. Maedhros Aug 2015 #37
Locking thread. TexasTowelie Aug 2015 #40
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. The disrupters are fundy republican Palin supporters.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:01 AM
Aug 2015

If you want to hitch yourself to that wagon, go ahead. Says more about your agenda than Bernie supporter's.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. What is more stupid: this post, or the claim "I come here to discuss"?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:04 AM
Aug 2015

You aren't fooling anyone.

kath

(10,565 posts)
15. Exactly.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:44 AM
Aug 2015
 

840high

(17,196 posts)
3. Why would you be defending someone who
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:04 AM
Aug 2015

admits to being groomed by republicans and supported Palin?

Uncle Joe

(65,137 posts)
4. If you support Hillary, then you should appreciate this thread wherein Bernie Sanders defends her.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:09 AM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141171609

Black Lives Matter is of critical importance but that doesn't mean its leadership can't make mistakes, shutting down Sanders ability to speak to his supporters is most definitely a mistake.

Doing so has only served to garner criticism from and alienate people that would otherwise support their organization.

Thanks for the thread, murielm.
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
5. Gee, I don't know murielm99 ? What's more important: one person or...
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:10 AM
Aug 2015

...20 percent of the US population? That's a tuffy!
Here one; What's more important?: Being nice to a large crowd of seniors or having 3 dumb fucks act like white trash and screwing it up for everybody??
One thing is true. Don't give those Women a gun. They'll blow their feet off. (shoot yourself in the..)

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
6. Acting like "white trash"?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:14 AM
Aug 2015

Really?

How would you classify THESE folks....

FERGUSON, Mo. — Multiple gunshots rang out as hundreds gathered Sunday at the spot where Michael Brown was killed by a white police officer to mark the first anniversary of the shooting that rocked the nation and shined a spotlight on race relations in America.

Dozens of police moved into the area where the gunshots were heard. Officers in riot gear and armored vehicles quickly filled the streets.

At least one victim was taken Barnes Jewish Hospital, KSDK-TV in St. Louis reports.

Moments after the shots were fired, a young woman screamed, "The killed my brother. They shot my brother."

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
9. You mean the people that shot into the crowd? Ah..Murderers??
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:19 AM
Aug 2015

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
18. I just find it amusing that if black folks "act up"
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:47 AM
Aug 2015

you peg their behavior as being akin to that of "white trash".

Which begs the question, if white folks act up in a similar manner, they're ALSO referred to as white trash?

I'm just trying to get the definitions straight, that's all.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
7. stupid question n/t
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:15 AM
Aug 2015
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. I support Bernie Sanders.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:16 AM
Aug 2015

I'd appreciate it if you would not patronize me.

Thanks.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
33. Agree, Haven't read this much patronizing dribble since reading the last Hillary supporter's
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:04 AM
Aug 2015

latest patronizing dribble a few mins ago.

Seems to be a patronizing pattern here.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. It's disgusting
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:17 AM
Aug 2015

I think they are mad because he drew a crowd of 12,000.

He had at least 4000 at the Social Security and Medicare rally that he was the last speaker of until the two buttheads rushed the stage and started screaming.

Right after that, he spoke before 12,000 people at the stadium in Washington.

In Portland, his next stop -

28,000 is a good number of folks, particularly when they are in several different venues. The man got 12000 in Dallas, TX for God's sake, and 6000 at the Lakefront Arena.

The gleeful #BowDownBernie they used in a bunch of tweets and the spite behind it is beyond appalling.

Starry Messenger

(32,381 posts)
10. Reports via twitter that St. Louis cops just shot a protester in Ferguson tonight.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:20 AM
Aug 2015

At the Mike Brown memorial anniversary.

https://twitter.com/harrybelafonte/status/630608626307063808

Harry Belafonte Verified account
‏@harrybelafonte

They let him die. #ferguson

https://twitter.com/SOULSISTACOURT/status/630608963063676928

Vine of cops standing over the dying man.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
11. This should be the OP instead.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:26 AM
Aug 2015

Damn, this is a crisis and we need to get serious about it. All of us.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. LBN thread on it here:
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:41 AM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141172009

The cops are tweeting that two undercover cars were hit by gunfire and that they shot one guy.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
31. Jesus H. Christ.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:26 AM
Aug 2015

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
38. According to latest report from CNN,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:02 AM
Aug 2015

the person who was shot is in the hospital in surgery in critical, unstable condition. Report was about 15-20 minutes ago. They're updating the report as I type.

riversedge

(80,811 posts)
12. Thank you. You are brave.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:37 AM
Aug 2015

In solidarity

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. You rec'd an op that called Bernie a racist Jew and used the Yiddish word for ni**er.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:42 AM
Aug 2015
Many Black people are aware of the words Schwartza and/or Shvatsa, and they are aware of what race of people are most likely to use these words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506547


Again, it is not Bernie Sanders. It is his supporters, whose behavior grows more incredible by the day. Grow the hell up, Sanders supporters. Get your priorities in order.


And you have the nerve to criticize his supporters?

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
16. I was about the post the same thing but i figured she would undo her REC
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:44 AM
Aug 2015

on that thread after i posted a link to it. I wouldn't put it past somebody who posts garbage like this thread and who RECS garbage like that hidden thread.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. I don't have a screen shot but I copied the thread info:
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:47 AM
Aug 2015
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murielm99


Thankfully only one person rec'd it.

Can you imagine what they would say if a Bernie supporter used that word?



murielm99

(32,988 posts)
21. You are not responding to the OP,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:49 AM
Aug 2015

and your post is a red herring.

As I said, I did not realize that thread was hidden.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. It doesn't matter that it was hidden. You rec'd a racist op.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:52 AM
Aug 2015

If a Bernie supporter called Hillary a racist and used the N-word you guys would be screeching like banshees.

Instead you rec it?

I hope I leave DU before I ever become that hypocritical.

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
26. Respond to the OP I posted,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:58 AM
Aug 2015

or don't respond at all. It does matter that it was hidden.

You have no answer to the things I asked in the OP, and you know perfectly well that I am not racist.

Stop posting red herrings.

Do black lives matter more than hurting Bernie's feelings, or those of his supporters? Do they?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. I did respond:
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:00 AM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=506657

You just didn't like what you saw when you looked in the mirror I held up.

Pointing out your staggering hypocrisy is not a red herring.

If you cared about black lives more than accusing Bernie supporters of NOT caring about them you'd realize how this makes you look.


murielm99

(32,988 posts)
24. I was responding to the fact that the OP mentioned
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:53 AM
Aug 2015

the Ferguson anniversary, something Bernie supporters seem to be ignoring.

Speaking of ignore, if you don't like my post, put me on ignore.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. Oh I LOVE your post and your rec, it shows what some HC supporters think is more important than BLM.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:56 AM
Aug 2015

Bashing Bernie and his supporters.



Response to m-lekktor (Reply #16)

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
17. I certainly do have the nerve.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:46 AM
Aug 2015

And I will continue to do so.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
39. People recced that POS post?
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:09 AM
Aug 2015

Yeesh. That was blatant bigotry. I couldn't hit the alert button fast enough. I hope the DUer who saw fit to post that is shown the door.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
22. SMARM!
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:51 AM
Aug 2015

Never enough smarm on this site.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
27. Magnanimity
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:59 AM
Aug 2015

On Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

What is more important: Bernie Sanders or black lives?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506547

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Grow the hell up, Sanders supporters. Get your priorities in order." is rude and disruptive

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:57 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LOL. I just finished reading the post when the jury noticed appeared. This is tame for GD-P discourse.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not a TOS violation. Feel free to respond to the post with reasoned arguments.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I disagree with the OP mightily. I am a staunch Sanders supporter, but I do not find this hide-worthy. We can duke it out in thread.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I could not disagree more with the OP. But s/he has a right to their opinion, and I will not hide people's sincere opinions, no matter how much I disagree with them. Censorship of opinion is not what I believe Bernie would do.

I understand the OP's frustration, but as a I said, disagree completely especially now that the truth about the disrupter has been exposed.

And yes, today is Michael Brown's anniversary. There were some beautiful memorial demonstrations around the country to remind us of that terrible murder and of the injustice that followed.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
29. Nice false dichotomy you've got there.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:23 AM
Aug 2015

The way you've framed this question is, as you know, complete bullshit.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
30. Jury results for OP saying Bernie Supporters are turning this site into garbage.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:24 AM
Aug 2015

On Mon Aug 10, 2015, 01:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I was not aware that thread was hidden.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=506670

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Divisive personal attack.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:18 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I wouldn't call the statement "divisive". I call it truth.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: So, if we're not automatically for her preferred candidate, we're "filling the site with garbage"? I thought that the purpose of du is so we can discuss democratic candidates and causes. She thinks that's "garbage"? Seems divisive to me.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disgusting post. As a Bernie supporter I haven't said one negative thing towards Hillary supporters and have been very vocal saying I will happily vote for her if she is the nominee. Stop making shit up, and look in the mirror. With your OP you are turning this site into garbage. HIDE!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

msongs

(73,754 posts)
32. false choice fallcy here nt
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:02 AM
Aug 2015
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
34. It isn't either/or. Bernie and his supporters have always backed blm and its goals.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:07 AM
Aug 2015

We join you in the fight for your lives.

Response to murielm99 (Original post)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
37. I don't care what you think of us.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:41 AM
Aug 2015

/bye.

TexasTowelie

(127,350 posts)
40. Locking thread.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:14 AM
Aug 2015

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