2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt looks like Hillary is losing her shine with the DNC.
Her campaign can spin all day long but they understand trajectory as well as anyone else. That's why the DNC is floating Biden and Gore trial balloons. So, her support is and has always been: 1) Yellow Dog Democrats, 2) the DNC Party Machine, and 3) Wall Street. Yellow Dogs and Wall Street will continue to back her but when 1/3 of your support is sniffing elsewhere AND your trajectory continues in a sharp, downward motion, you're in serious trouble.
RussBLib
(9,606 posts)it seems to get worse by the day/week
ladjf
(17,320 posts)And, IMO , she is very boring.
fbc
(1,668 posts)I think someone told Hillary that if you get to a billion there's no voting and you just win.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)As such, her campaign is all about the people reaching out to her and if you don't than there's something wrong with you.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Talk about not reaching out to people.
I thought people in Iowa and New Hampshire got pissed when presidential politicians don't participate in their joie de faire.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)LOL! I like that!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)One in middle school, two in high school and two in college.
That saying, literally means, "what's fun" or "what gets your jollies."
AverageGuy
(80 posts)She is not playing to win, but rather not to lose (as football announcers would say)
As any football fan knows, this is the quickest way to lose
Her lost to Obama really spooked her
This is the view of a person who supports her because she was the most likely to beat a Republican, but now is having second thoughts
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Actually, she's more likely to mobilize Republican turnout.
They'll show up in droves just to vote against her.
George II
(67,782 posts)...and will be there all weekend, and is appearing at the State Fair on Sunday.
jfern
(5,204 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)works with the public. When she speaks , she rarely says anything interesting or creative. (Just my opinion.)
oasis
(51,483 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's not about how smart you are or nice or able...it's a popularity contest. Being boring is about as bad for electability as being rabid. (Droolers don't get elected.)
If Hillary can't help but be boring and unlikeable and cold...she's already lost. Hard truths being what they are. You can't win the Presidency and be Hillary...you've got to be Bill or Barack or...cripes I hate saying this...Dubya. People have to like you; find you warm and caring and fun; and be interested in you.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)are interested in that issue. I don't think it's a factor in the primaries. If she were to get the nomination; however, it's all anyone would talk about. I think that's part of the reason the DNC is looking elsewhere. She's not looking quite so "inevitable" anymore.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Fixed it for you.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)will thank you for making DU the equivalent in importance with MSM & Republicans but, we're really not. We're a message board where mostly political junkies hang out and that's how far out our influence goes.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and I still think all kinds of people in and out of power lurk here. But in 2001, there wasn't that much competition for political junkies. Now there's lots of alternatives.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)about the candidate's elect-ably?
Did I not get the memo?
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)That's been the common wisdom on DU for quite a while now.
The DNC and Hillary are one and the same.
The depths of the conspiracy can get confusing I guess.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Several people control the DNC and they decide who/how much support they're going to give to what candidates. DWS is the face they put on it and Hillary is their candidate, well, at least for the moment. Neither Biden nor Gore seems to have garnered too much excitement so far so I think she's safe for now.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)You've seen the polls here?
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Oh, wait, she's trailing in one outlier poll in homogeneous New Hampshire.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Yeah--that's just so dispositive!!!!! But hey--who are we to bring these things up? That sketchy Herald poll is the ticket! Argument done right there--pack it up, Hill--The Dee Yew has spoken!
When ya have to hop in bed with the right wing to score a win, that's a problem!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Set the lose meme. Just watch
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hitch your wagon to the Boston Herald all you'd like!
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Maybe it should read "The Posse out to bag the Wild Hair or the Wild Bore" They both work.
I never said that. But enjoy putting words into my mouth. She who laughs last laughs best. Have a good day and peace, Madem.
Only time will tell.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But, we don't.
We elect them state-by-state.
And, it's early, yet.
I like Bernie's trajectory.
Hillary's is going the wrong way.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)And, it's early, yet.
I like Bernie's trajectory.
Hillary's is going the wrong way.
The results from the outlier New Hampshire poll would be "purty" if the rest of the nation was as homogeneous as New Hampshire but alas it isn't. I just got back from seeing "Straight Outta Compton" in suburban Los Angeles. There were more non majority people in the theater than in the entire state of New Hampshire.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)BabyGirl 1SBM comes in tomorrow morning ... the family is going to see it tomorrow night.
I saw an interview with the cast ... What moved me was them recounting how there were shooting a seen about the L.A. riots and came home to watch Ferguson on TV ... it dawned on them that they were watching the same thing, for the same issue, a generation later.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Dre is a musical genius. He developed Tupac, Eminem, and Snoop... What a resume...
Cube is another genius...
Both Jerry Heller and Suge Knight came off poorly...Both exploited the talent they managed.
The party scenes were crazy...
As Chuck D said, "rap is the CNN of the urban center."
____________
I told Liberal Stalwart this story. My gf and I rented a room from a woman who had a home in Van Nuys. Her daughter was a friend of O'Shea Jackson, Ice's son and the man who played him in the movie, when they were in high school together. She went to a Lakers game with him and said the security was massive. She also met Ice Cube and asked him if she could call him Cube. He said "call me Mr. Jackson."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I would love for someone to do a biopic on Public Enemy! BabyGirl was raised on his science ... If you ever get a chance to meet her, ask her "How do you treat the people around you?"
I buy you dinner if her response isn't: "If you can't change the people around you/change the people around you" and she will tell you exactly the layers of what that means.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Interesting crowd: a lot of seemingly suburban and middle and upper middle class white and black young people, probably living a bit vicariously.
ismnotwasm
(42,411 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....behind everywhere else.
He's even getting creamed in Florida, a state that has a very large demographic similar to his own - Senior Jewish people from New York City.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)FL's demographics is decidedly heterogeneous.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that is very similar to Sanders' background, and state-wide he's not getting the support that one would expect.
But for some bizarre reason, many of the NYC retirees who migrate to Florida are conservative republicans.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Most Jewish retirees retire to Fl's east coast and most are Democrats. Most WASP retirees retire to FL's west coast and most are Republicans.
Also, FL is only 3.3% Jewish so it isn't as if they are a large voting bloc.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)And I see the trend lines on that chart.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)If it did we would be in Hillary's second term already.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)in that Obama was just as corporate friendly, got the youth and minority votes and had less baggage.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Obama was a SHOE-IN over Hillary.
Except the FACTS clearly show Obama had the organizations in the right states which had NOTHING to do with the DNC.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Because I'm pretty sure I remember people voting on that.
It wasn't some silly conspiracy.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)You guys just pretty much pull this stuff up outta your ass, don't you?
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Hillary Clinton is just Machiavelli all up in this shit.
She managed to rig the debate schedule to stop Bernie Sanders from getting his message to the people.
She sent those fake BLM activists to his event to crowd Bernie Sanders off the stage.
She keeps calling his house and asking if "Lou Zer" is there.
I think I even heard a Bernie supporter accuse her of throwing a flaming poop bag through his window.
Seriously, I like Bernie Sanders--he's everything a liberal should be and I think that if he's President, it would really suck to watch him realize that Congress will never, ever work with him to accomplish anything important.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I don't think anyone claimed that Hillary "rigged the debate schedule." What happened was the DNC scheduled the debates WAY later than in previous presidential years. The late scheduling was a device the DNC is using to give voters less time to consider lesser-known candidates over the better-known candidate. It wasn't Hillary interfering but the DNC interfering on her behalf.
The rest of your post has a bit of spittle on it so I don't think I'll touch it.
still_one
(95,621 posts)debates to give Hillary the advantage.
This is on DU I am talking about
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)"She [Hillary Clinton] managed to rig the debate schedule to stop Bernie Sanders from getting his message to the people."
I pointed out it that the accusations have not been that Hillary rigged the debate schedule but that the DNC scheduled the debate late to benefit their candidate.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)It had a nice ending.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)They're not willing to go down with the ship because there is no next time for Clinton.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Tom Harkin, Barney Frank, Al Franken, Tammy Baldwin, Richard Blumenthal, Barbara Boxer, Cory Booker, Dick Durbin, Kirsten Gillibrand to name but a few, are also Yellow Dog Democrats? Thanks for the info, nice to know political maturity is not your forte', but that rhetoric and hyperbole are.
FSogol
(46,249 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)He's campaigning for her so maybe he'll let her hitch a ride in the tour bus.
Oh, wait. She'll be inside the bus, not under it. Okay, you find the bus.
BainsBane
(54,465 posts)I'm waiting for Keith Ellison to endorse Hillary, and the rest of the Progressive Caucus. That will really blow some stacks off.
FSogol
(46,249 posts)BainsBane
(54,465 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)
Ah, glorious schadenfreuden.
(edit, I thought you said Clinton, but either works for me).
George II
(67,782 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)My super-liberal anti-war congressman endorsed her, so it's TEOTWAWKI.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Remember, this is the guy who said that the attacks on Wall Street jerkoffs were "nauseating".
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Please tell me which, if either, or all three, apply to Senator Booker:
Someone (generally from the South) who would vote for a yellow dog if it was a Democrat. Alternately, someone who would rather vote for a yellow dog than a Republican. The term probably dates back to the 19th century and gained national recognition in the 1928 Presidential election. Today, used most often as a term of approval or self-identification.
My daddy was a yellow dog Democrat and my granddaddy was a yellow dog Democrat Ill never vote Republican.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yellow+Dog+Democrat
or
Yellow Dog Democrats was a political term applied to voters in the Southern United States who voted solely for candidates who represented the Democratic Party. The term originated in the late 19th century. These voters would allegedly "vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican".[1][2] The term is now more generally applied to refer to any Democrat who will vote a straight party ticket under any circumstances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat
or, maybe:
Yellow Dog Democrats
After Republican President Abraham Lincoln defeated the Confederacy, many Southern Democrats said they would rather vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican.
Today, the term refers to loyal Democratic voters who vote the straight party line.
http://politicaldictionary.com/words/yellow-dog-democrats/
Stellar
(5,644 posts)It still makes me angry.
and there are other reasons...
Christie says he will lobby Booker to oppose Iran deal
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/christie_says_hell_lobby_booker_on_iran.html
N.J.'s Cory Booker caught between Obama and Israel backers on Iran deal
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/njs_booker_caught_between_obama_and_backers_on_iran.html
still_one
(95,621 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Sen. Tammy Baldwin (Wis.)
Sen. Michael Bennet (Colo.)
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (Conn.)
Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.)
Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (Wash.)
Sen. Ben Cardin (Md.)
Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.)
Sen. Al Franken (Minn.)
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.)
Sen. Martin Heinrich (N.M.)
Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.)
Sen. Mazie Hirono (Hawaii)
Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.)
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (Vt.)
Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.)
Sen. Claire McCaskill (Mo.)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (Md.)
Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.)
Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.)
Sen. Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.)
Sen. Brian Schatz (Hawaii)
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.)
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Sen. Mark Warner (Va.)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.)
Rep. Karen Bass (Calif.)
Rep. Joyce Beatty (Ohio)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (Calif.)
Rep. Ami Bera (Calif.)
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (Texas)
Rep. Julia Brownley (Calif.)
Rep. André Carson (Ind.)
Rep. Kathy Castor (Fla.)
Rep. Joaquín Castro (Texas)
Rep. Judy Chu (Calif.)
Rep. David Cicilline (R.I.)
Rep. Lacy Clay (Mo.)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (Mo.)
Rep. Gerry Connolly (Va.)
Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.)
Rep. Joseph Crowley (N.Y.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Rep. Danny Davis (Ill.)
Rep. John Delaney (Md.)
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (Conn.)
Rep. Ted Deutch (Fla.)
Rep. Debbie Dingell (Mich.)
Rep. Tammy Duckworth (Ill.)
Rep. Elizabeth Esty (Conn.)
Rep. Bill Foster (Ill.)
Rep. Lois Frankel (Fla.)
Rep. Marcia Fudge (Ohio)
Rep. Gene Green (Texas)
Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (Ill.)
Rep. Janice Hahn (Calif.)
Rep. Alcee Hastings (Fla.)
Rep. Brian Higgins (N.Y.)
Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (Texas)
Rep. Mike Honda (Calif.)
Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.)
Rep. Steve Israel (N.Y.)
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas)
Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)
Rep. Robin Kelly (Ill.)
Rep. Joe Kennedy III (Mass.)
Rep. Dan Kildee (Mich.)
Rep. Derek Kilmer (Wash.)
Rep. Jim Langevin (R.I.)
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)
Rep. John B. Larson (Conn.)
Rep. Sandy Levin (Mich.)
Rep. John Lewis (Ga.)
Rep. Ted Lieu (Calif.)
Rep. Nita Lowey (N.Y.)
Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (N.M.)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (Mass.)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (N.Y.)
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (N.Y.)
Rep. Doris Matsui (Calif.)
Rep. Jim McDermott (Wash.)
Rep. Gregory Meeks (N.Y.)
Rep. Grace Meng (N.Y.)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (Fla.)
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (Calif.)
Rep. Richard Neal (Mass.)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (Colo.)
Rep. Chellie Pingree (Maine)
Rep. Jared Polis (Colo.)
Rep. Charles Rangel (N.Y.)
Rep. Kathleen Rice (N.Y.)
Rep. Cedric Richmond (La.)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (Calif.)
Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio)
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (Ill.)
Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (Ore.)
Rep. David Scott (Ga.)
Rep. José Serrano (N.Y.)
Rep. Terri Sewell (Ala.)
Rep. Brad Sherman (Calif.)
Rep. Louise Slaughter (N.Y.)
Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.)
Rep. Mark Takai (Hawaii)
Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)
Rep. Mike Thompson (Calif.)
Rep. Dina Titus (Nev.)
Rep. Niki Tsongas (Mass.)
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.)
Rep. Marc Veasey (Texas)
Rep. Filemon Vela (Texas)
Rep. Nydia Velázquez (N.Y.)
Rep. Frederica Wilson (Fla.)
118 so far, and it's early days yet: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/239559-2016-lawmaker-endorsements-for-president
George II
(67,782 posts)- Elizabeth Warren has signed a letter urging Clinton to run and another Senator (forget who it is, but I'll find it!) just announced that he's endorsing Clinton.
So, of 44 Democratic Senators 32 of them have endorsed Hillary Clinton, including your highlighted Patrick Leahy, Sanders' fellow Vermont Senator.
You can also add the current Governor of Vermont AND the current mayor of Burlington along with former Vermont Governor, Howard Dean.
Yeah, the DNC is abandoning Hillary Clinton!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Which is something the acolytes are just not appreciating. I don't see a path without endorsements or enthusiasm in the minority communities--and that's just not happening.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...Hillary Clinton are "Yellow Dog Democrats"?
Metric System
(6,048 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...at most, some friends and associates of Biden and Gore seem to be looking into the possibility.
...and Hillary isn't in a " sharp, downward motion"
She's still in the mid-fifties (while Bernie is still in the teens). And she still beats the Republicans in almost every poll taken.
But feel free to throw out some more over the top analyses...
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)without the DNC's prior knowledge and approval.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)The only thing worse than a conspiracy theory is a lazy one...
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Not even they can come out publically for a candidate this early, but they can work behind the scenes on her behalf. The Democratic Party was taken over by the Third Way Corporate "Democrats" during the Bill Clinton Administration and they haven't let go. Hillary is their candidate. Hillary will do the bidding for Big Business just as she did their bidding when she was SOS. The DNC let Bernie run on the Democratic Party ticket thinking he wouldn't have a chance. They badly misjudged Bernie's candidacy as they've badly misjudged so many other things and now they're trying to figure out if there is another more palatable candidate they can back.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)how about backing up those allegations with links to articles supporting your viewpoint or, is Creative speculation your forte', along with hyperbole and rhetoric?
okasha
(11,573 posts)I'd swear to it
swilton
(5,069 posts)I also would add that while Hillary's poll numbers are significant they are a barometer for 'likely' voters and fail to reconcile with the thousands of typically non-voting electorate that Sanders has ignited and will bring in to the GE if not the primaries.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)that no one is talking about -- Sanders' ability to win crossover votes vs. Hillary's complete lack of ability to do the same. The good news for her is she's well known, the bad news for her is she's well known.
George II
(67,782 posts)CentralMass
(15,447 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)The DNC laid out a calendar, in advance, that said only IA, NH, SC and NV could vote in the first month, and that other States who had votes in the period would be penalized. FL and MI decided to jump the gun.
CentralMass
(15,447 posts)I have no confidence in the organization.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Everyone had the right to vote...a month later.
CentralMass
(15,447 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)she falters. I would be happy with any of Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Biden, or Gore as president. But the key words are "as president."
Right now, the only declared candidate with any real chance of becoming president is Clinton. Sanders would get crushed in the GE, and O'Malley is polling within zero of the margin of error. I actually agree that the DNC is probably floating trial balloons, and that's probably a smart thing to do. Either Biden or Gore would make for a strong backup in case Hillary falters somewhere down the road.
Personally, I think Gore would be better than Biden. I like Biden but don't think he would make for a great top of the ticket. But Gore could win.
modestybl
(458 posts)...where, apart from the chattering punditry, are you getting the notion that Sanders isn't electable?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Beyond that, he's a self-described socialist, he can't raise much money, and has never been exposed to the GOP attack machine. And besides his personal vulnerability, his platform is too far left to win over many moderates. Bernie winning the GE is a pipe dream. I wish it weren't that way, but it is.
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)for example
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
vs.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Do you have current polls that show otherwise, supporting your assertion?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Here's a site that has general election matchups. You have to select Sanders and Clinton yourself, I can't link to them directly.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/
The most recent Sanders matchups are from Quinnipiac, which has Sanders behind Walker 37-42 and Bush 39-44. That same poll has Clinton 41-42 behind Bush and 44-43 ahead of Walker. The most recent Clinton matchups come from Morning Consult, where she is ahead of the whole GOP, including 44-41 over Bush and 48-35 over Walker.
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)That site also shows polls with Sanders beating Walker (CNN 7/26), and within margin of error against Bush and Rubio. Hardly getting "crushed" as you put it. And this is a year out when there are still tons of people who have not even heard of Sanders, or heard enough to form an opinion of him. (Something that could be said about many of the Republican candidates as well, I admit.)
All that said, those national polls are meaningless, because it's all about the electoral college, and many states are going to go one way or the other no matter what. What will really matter are how they match up in key states. Unfortunately there are few, if any polls showing how Sanders matches up against the Republican lineup in, say, Florida or Ohio.
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)Following up on my previous reply, this thread seems to indicate that Sanders may do as well or better than HRC in at least some of the states that matter...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251522986
George II
(67,782 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)People actually like their candidate to not be fake. And, his positions are all very popular. And, every clown on the right running for president is nuts.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Play variations of that in commercials over and over again. From the end of August 2016 to November 2016.
Talk about the failures of North Korea, the USSR, how China and Vietnam are becoming Capitalist, etc.
50% of America won't vote for a Socialist. Sanders is thus 50% down as a high watermark after all of that.
That would be one of the easiest campaigns for a Republican candidate in history. They wouldn't even have to work for that one.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Only morons think socialists are communists.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)still_one
(95,621 posts)Maybe the NY Times can give us another story on the "criminal" probe of Hillary's email.
Gore is NOT running, and all indications are that Biden isn't either
ismnotwasm
(42,411 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)For months they've all been complaining that Clinton CONTROLS the DNC, now all of a sudden she's lost her "shine" with the DNC?
Unbelievable. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)And really, have Sanders supporters been big on saying that Clinton controls the DNC? I've seen a lot about Clinton being DNC's preferred candidate, but not that she controls them.
Laser102
(816 posts)No matter what crap is thrown, no matter how breathlessly enthusiastic the MSM is about all of her foibles, no matter how much they try to gin up the so called scandals, I will vote for her. And every time I see things like this posted it reminds me how much I want her for president. She will walk through fire and come out stronger. GO HILLARY!!!!!
artislife
(9,497 posts)jalan48
(14,266 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)she is trying to hide something or cover it up with some vagueness. And, that is going to linger. And to the information limited they will likely not change that perception. It's the old psychological primacy principle at work. What goes into ones mind first often leaves last.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And I don't think that the 118 legislators who have endorsed her thus far (and they are "super delegates" --make no mistake) are all yellow dogs, either.
In fact, most are not.
George II
(67,782 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)If your ship is sinking, "Stay the course." Could it be any more typical?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Flat out tin foil. All the way around. Link to the DNC floating Gore?
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)I believe that that is conjecture on the part of the OP... that if things about alternative mainstream Dems start appearing in the press, the DNC must be behind it.
As for what is being said about Gore, it is summed up here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/14/the-many-ways-to-say-al-gore-might-maybe-possibly-consider-running-for-president/
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If she wins the nomination, the GOP wins their only chance at the White House. If she wins the general election, the GOP wins.
She is damaged goods, represents the highest bidder, and has never provided leadership on any progressive issue.
If the DNC is floating trial balloons for alternatives who will promote their corporate agenda, that's good. It means their great white hope ain't, and their iron grip over the message is loosening.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)possibilities of entering the race says to me that they are not overjoyed with Bernie, so as I have stated several times, if Hillary drops out of the race there is several more possible candidates who can jump in, Bernie will not be the DNC nominee.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Bernie was never going to be the DNC pick. They let him in thinking he didn't have a chance and to give the appearance of competition. As has often been the case, they underestimated him and never even factored in the festering anger of the 99%. Apparently, none of them have ever actually cracked a history book.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)who have endorsed Hillary. I think the festering anger of the 99% is over estimating.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)populist rhetoric in an effort to convince gullible people that they actually care about their concerns.
They couldn't care less, Third Way centrists don't give a rat's ass about the problems of the 99%, unless addressing the concerns of the 99% will in some way benefit the global Military Industrial Financial Complex.
The DNC has been exposed, and whichever Third Way corporate puppet they choose to run against Democrats will be scrutinized thoroughly, and their lies will not be able to stand in the light of day.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)they've been long used to being able to fudge primaries and torpedoeing even the challenger who's ahead of the Republican
they really don't know how to campaign anymore, least not in the primaries: they have "listening sessions" then jet off to meet with the big doners; then they're supposed to just promise the moon and stars, with the important caveat that any details will be hammered out January 2017
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)isn't there a forum especially for this sort of silly?
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)She has the lead, but its slowly starting to sink.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)It was truly awesome. She even did the hand and neck roll. She was definiteky on FIYAH!
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Bernie said he decided to run "as a Democrat" because he needed the Democrat primary and caucus system, even thoughhe has described both the GOP and the Dems as corrupt. Bernie doesn't have a Dem coalition and it is impossible to get anything within building consensus and coalitions. So in all of Bernie's realness and truthfulness, he decided to run as a Democrat because he needed the infrastructure of the Dem party to make a realistic presidential bid. I hope I will not have to hold my nose and vote for Bernie. I'm working hard to make sure he is NOT the Dem nominee for 2016.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)If I knew how to post pictures I would post one that tells independents how to register as Democrats so they can vote for Bernie. I would say more but Bernie fans are everywhere and I keep getting my comments removed because the jury is stacked with his supporters.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Since juries are anonymous, how would you know a jury is "stacked with his supporters?" Sounds a little paranoid to me.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)I have never had a problem until I reply to Bernie fans. It's like you guys are on the constant watch for anything to rate down and since this and other sites are overwhelmingly pro Bernie it seems to makes sense that the jury would be loaded with Bernie fans.
Now there you make another interesting comment. I called a Bernie fan delusional and had my comment hidden. Then on another I called Bernie fans "Berniebots" and it was hidden. You just called me paranoid. How is that different? Oh, and just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean you are wrong.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)because you got posts hidden? And you theink DU's Sanders supporters have formed a band of people who have nothing else to do but roam DU conspiring to ban Hillary supporters? But you're not paranoid.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)So take it somewhere else.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Bye
quickesst
(6,300 posts)...but I don't think there are enough of these to go around. But there seems to be plenty of this....💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)She has the support of the majority of Democrats.
But despite this undisputed position, the DNC has allegedly decided to press Biden and Gore into the race, in order to "save" the Party from the embarrassment of already having a candidate that polls higher than any other Dem in the race, and any Klown Kar occupant.
Yes, of course - this makes SO MUCH SENSE. I'm so glad you figured it out.
Now can you provide the evidence that the DNC is "floating Gore/Biden trial balloons"?
I know you must have said evidence. Surely you wouldn't think of posting something this ridiculous if you didn't have the facts to back it up.
I await the links that will undoubtedly support your assertions.
nolabear
(42,972 posts)As usual.