St. Hillary, The Annoited in Iowa. A mother with a dying daughter approached Hillary.

[Hoppy]

Last edited Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:44 PM - Edit history (3)

The mother asked that Hillary support medical marijuana.

Hillary's response: It needs more research.

That is about as cold as Dukakis' response to the hypothetical question of what would he do if someone killed his wife.


ADDENDUM: After linking to the C-span of her walk at the Iowa State Fair, I am less unhappy about Hillary's response to the mom. While she offered nothing more specific in response to the mother, she did offer support. Still, what does that mean? Does it mean putting research money into the benefits and improved treatment that uses medical marijuana? Does it mean asking her attorney general to lay off prosecuting its use?

The link is about 12 posts down.

Her response begins at 8:40 in the link.

[cantbeserious]

1. Cold And Calculating

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[LuvLoogie]

29. Perhaps, if the OP weren't wrong and deceitful.

But you jumped all over that hook, didn't you...

[King_Klonopin]

82. I'm happy that it turned out to be inaccurate.

That type of response would be eerily similar to the climate-change deniers response
of "it needs more research" (i.e. lets study it ad infinitum before we take any action)

Right now, it is mostly a States Rights issue. I suppose it could be taken up as a Federal
issue if some politician at that level has the chudspah to push it. Obama didn't. It has
the potential to become another divisive moral issue that never gets resolved, like abortion,
which the right will use to paint the Dems as pro-drug, soft-on-crime, blah blah blah.

Just an aside: why do "Libertarians" caucus with Republicans ? Republicans hate
the notion of personal freedom (except in the case of profiteering, pollution, segregation ....)

[Grown2Hate]

108. I asked myself that same question...

"Just an aside: why do "Libertarians" caucus with Republicans ? Republicans hate
the notion of personal freedom." I think the answer is guns. Seems to be the Right's one real "freedom" cause.

[TheBlackAdder]

194. Libertarianism is based on self-serving interest sociopathy.

.


While Libertarians enjoy plugging themselves into the public largesse, they deride money going to others.


This is why you see so many government socialists, such as military, police, teachers, and firefighters, etc. complain about others in the public sector getting money. They enjoy the benefits that they receive, but look at others as a loss to their household wealth. I have several Tea Partiers in my neighborhood who are perfect examples of this. One is retired Navy, collecting his pension and working for a government defense contractor, taking his property tax deduction, hitting the commissary, the exchanges, etc. Another is a state trooper, who was given the opportunity to escape from Camden and now turned his back on them. Another is a Army guy, still in the National Guard, who is plugged into every program possible. What do they have in common, they want to cut all other public and social services because it impacts the local, state, and federal taxes they have to pay. One Tea Partier was a staunch supporter of our public schools, until her last child graduated high school, months later she was fighting to cut school funding because it no longer benefited her family.


The Kochs and other billionaires appear to be caught up in a world where the wealthy have to outdo each other. It's not about accumulating wealth, it's about being the wealthiest. Additionally, it is normal for the bourgeoisie to try and convert their wealth into political power. Most do not do it for the betterment of society, but to bolster their own personal portfolio and new found social class. This is contrary to most democrat positions, especially in the areas of labor, social services, environment, etc..


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[cantbeserious]

116. Responded To The OP

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[George II]

153. And this is what REALLY happened....

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-drops-her-guard-in-iowa-121394.html

Sanders, however, did not take questions from the public as candidates on the box usually do — and his day at the fair was brief as he rushed passed Iowans in a hurried brisk walk, cameramen pushing and jabbing annoyed bystanders out of the way.

Clinton, by contrast, took her time, spending about an hour and a half at the fair as she inched along and people approached. A 30-something Iowan mother named April Stumpf asked her to support legalizing medicinal marijuana nationally. Stumpf’s three-year-old daughter, Quinn, has a severe case of epilepsy and is about to die, she explained to Clinton. Her doctors recommend medical marijuana to ease the pain, but it’s hard to get because it’s illegal to sell in Iowa. The state allows residents to get medical marijuana cards and purchase the drug out of state — but often states that sell it require patients to be present for purchase, and Quinn is too sick to travel.

“She’s not expected to live past … ” her voice trailed off. “I mean, she can go at any time.”

Clinton agreed that there should be more research on the subject. And when Stumpf walked away, she dispatched her aides to get her contact information as the crowd continued onward.

[Fawke Em]

169. He answered questions and talked to supporters before his speech.

Maybe that reporter overslept and didn't see him before the soap box event.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251521602

?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=759aad56f3716282c83906a1a5e38e5c

http://www.gettyimages.de/detail/nachrichtenfoto/democratic-presidential-candidate-u-s-sen-bernie-nachrichtenfoto/484141678

But, you're the guy who said there was only 9,000 people at his Portland rally.

[George II]

173. Stalk much?

[cherokeeprogressive]

203. It's not stalking when someone points out bullshit.

[tazkcmo]

205. Bullsh*t much? n/t

[questionseverything]

206. so your version is no different than the headline except the invisible

degree of concern

the failed war on drugs keeps the for profit prison system full

[seabeyond]

218. no. there is no evidence she was saying, we do nothing until research.

correct, all of it was not included, like every indication she could communicate that she was agreeing with the woman. shaking head yes and verbally saying yes.

and the research part in know way would indicate she was denying medical marijuana, but again, agree with what the woman was saying... actually following the womans statement, agreeing with the woman that yes, they need to do research on this stuff.....

[Control-Z]

33. This is what she actually said:

HILLARY CLINTON
HILLARY CLINTON: I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT. AND I WANT TO GET THE RESEARCH GOING ON.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

ETA: Please note, I've provided a link to a reputable site where you can actually listen to the conversation. The OP is wishful thinking at best.

[BooScout]

102. Thank you for this!

Loved it all. She had a great time and she just get's it. She get's it all! Her memory and her knowledge just amazes me!

[daybranch]

137. Yep we know

Hillary is human. Even a Bernie zealot like me knows that. I suspect the original article was planted by a Hillary supporter wishing to further Hillary's announced image of downtrodden female with a kind heart and a saintly mother unfairly attacked. I ain't buying it.
What I think the public deserves is discussion of issues on which Hillary and the other democratic candidates disagree.
But Hillary prefers to attack the republican clown car rather than discuss the issues. If you just want an attack dog, get Biden, he is even more viscous, as witnessed in the vice presidential debates.
Hillary does not get it. This election is about the people not her chances of winning over the bozo republican candidates..

[sufrommich]

143. " I suspect the original article was planted by a Hillary supporter"

Oh. My. God.

[okasha]

234. I was wondering who called Thom Hartmann about #BLM.

[Control-Z]

147. Please, just stop the conspiracy theories

and attacks on Hillary. There's a forum for your kind of posts. Take them over there.

[Agschmid]

166. Yup.

[Starry Messenger]

294. Oh dear. (nt.)

[True Blue American]

251. Thank you

Editing can really make a difference. My first instinct was to be able to listen to the whole thing.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

260. Correct

[Luminous Animal]

36. I am a Bernie supporter and volunteer and the OP is a lie.

[Control-Z]

41. Thank you.

Sincerely. I really appreciate your honesty. A lot.

[Luminous Animal]

49. She is warm and engaging through out and is every thing BUt cold and calculating.

The OP is counting on people to not watch the entire video. I did. The OP is a disgrace.

[TBF]

265. Happy Birthday to your mom

Control-Z.

[Control-Z]

271. Thank you, TBF

That was very sweet of you!

[MADem]

67. Thank you for weighing in--it is genuinely appreciated. nt

[George II]

157. Bravo. Thanks.

[Agschmid]

167. Yup.

[Hoppy]

208. I have added to the o.p..

If you believe the addition is not sufficient, please advise and explain and I will further add to it.

[MADem]

262. Your addendum is STILL inaccurate.

ADDENDUM: After linking to the C-span of her walk at the Iowa State Fair, I am less unhappy about Hillary's response to the mom. While she offered nothing more specific in response to the mother, she did offer support. Still, what does that mean? Does it mean putting research money into the benefits and improved treatment that uses medical marijuana? Does it mean asking her attorney general to lay off prosecuting its use?

She expressed two distinct thoughts.

That she would support the mother, specifically....

AND

More research is needed, as well.

With more research, the mother wouldn't have to endure the grief she's having to deal with to get the meds for her child.

Your context is out of line. And your "anointed" headline is straight out of right wing media. Since you purported to not know anything about that, here's the source:

[George II]

152. Sure is, as long as it's portrayed incorrectly by the OP! But that's not what happened.

[cantbeserious]

154. I Responded To The OP - However, HRC Does Appear To Have A Cold And Calculating Persona

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[George II]

156. You should watch the video I posted a few minutes ago (and here), starts at about 9:00

FAR from "cold and calculating"

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2

[cantbeserious]

158. Yeah - Like The Fake Southern Accent HRC Used In A Carolina Stump Speech - Not Buying It

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[George II]

160. She lived in Arkansas for 10+ years and she's married to a native of Arkansas....

..you don't think she'd pick up a little bit of a southern accent from that?

I'm from Brooklyn NY but when I visit Atlanta within an hour or two I have a slight drawl.

[cantbeserious]

165. Not The Point - She Clearly Played To The Crowd - Hence Nothing From Her Can Be Considered Genuine

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[George II]

171. Are you concerned about Sanders' "phony Brooklyn accent"? He's been out of Brooklyn...

...for about 50 years and he still has it. I was born in Brooklyn and have been out of NYC for about 20 years, not a trace of a Brooklyn or NY accent.

Pretty sad that people have to start berating people for their accents to make a political point.

[cantbeserious]

177. The Difference Is That Bernie Is Not Cold And Calculating - HRC Is To These Eyes

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[Agschmid]

179. So as it turns out this OP was a total fabrication...

And yet you still use it to judge her?

[cantbeserious]

181. Absolutely - Despite The OP Error - HRC Is Still Cold And Calculating - To These Eyes And Ears

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[Agschmid]

185. Whooosh...

That was your credibility out the window.

Have a great Sunday.

[cantbeserious]

186. My Credibility Is Intact - Not Sure About Yours With That Last Comment

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[oasis]

252. watchout Hillary "The eyes of posters are upon you"

[seabeyond]

195. then you are stating reality and fact do not have to factor in. we can just say the moon is green.

[cantbeserious]

198. An Opinion Was Given - Opinions Are Not Facts - My Opinion Is That HRC Is Cold And Calculating

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[emulatorloo]

297. You Are Entitled To Your Opinion, But Not Entitled To Make Up "Facts"

As The OP Did.

[Agschmid]

170. If the the "canned" responses that make it appear that way...

Birds of a feather and all...

[cantbeserious]

174. We Each See What We See - I See Cold And Calculating - Not A Genuine Spark Of Life - Only Ambition

To be President and nothing else.

[Agschmid]

176. You've made my point, thank you.

[cantbeserious]

178. Thank You For Allowing Me To Make Mine - HRC Is Cold And Calculating - To These Eyes And Ears

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[azmom]

202. I share in your opinion. N/t

[okasha]

235. "Cold and calculating"

is what I would call someone who knows he's spreading a vicious lie, yet deliberately continues to disseminate it.

YMMV.

[cantbeserious]

236. Cold And Calculating Is My Opinion Of The Candidate Based On Her Public Persona Over Time

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[riversedge]

285. Fox uses that idea--If you repeat a lie often enough, people will start believing it.

Too bad you have to run down a Democrat with your 'opine".

[shenmue]

2. Get over yourself

[MADem]

3. I support legalization of weed but I don't really give a shit if any candidate straddles that issue.

No one wants to be tainted with the Hippie-Dippy Brush. And that's how the media will twist it.

And it's nothing like Dukakis. But hey, keep flailing.

[TM99]

4. Oh sweet lord, hippie-dippy?!

This was a mother asking about medical marijuana for her child. This wasn't some teen stoner wanting to get high and blow off his classes on Friday.

This shows yet again Clinton's incredible lack of genuine empathy and how hollow her fucking 'family biography' ads are.

So Clinton, you say you care about mothers and daughters in your ad. You tout Dorothy and all of the other Dorothy's like yours. But when a Dorothy comes to you and asks your stance on medical marijuana for her child, you dismiss her with 'it needs more research' so your optics don't look like you might be supporting those damned pot smoking hippies.

[TheFarS1de]

6. the problem is ...

humanity does not poll well so why waste time addressing real life issues . Time for them to work on some more FTA . That's what the common people need

[George II]

161. WATCH THE FREAKING VIDEO!!!!!

[MADem]

7. Just stop. Read what I wrote--or don't. Your faux outrage is tiresome.

Like the media has NEVER twisted what a candidate might say on an issue. And weed is an easy twist.

And like that's YOUR "drop dead" reason for not voting for her. Oh yeah, that's THE issue that grinds your gears!

You've already made your hatred for her so ... OBVIOUS. We get it. You don't like her. You never did. You never will. Pat yourself on the back.

Just spare me the drama and the 'fucking' and the "So Clinton' speechifying--it doesn't work anymore.

[TM99]

9. I read exactly what you said.

You are afraid of the media twisting things so you prefer your candidate to obfuscate, lie, deceive, focus on the optics, etc.

You bet, I dislike hypocrisy. You put out ads touting your desire to support mothers and daughters and then when given a chance you are more concerned with the optics in front of the media, you are incongruent at best and disingenuous at worse.

Sorry it is a message board, so get used to the criticisms. You don't like it? Well you can put me on Ignore. That way you won't have to read them. Or you know what? You could just not respond if you don't like it.

[MADem]

60. Afraid, my ass--I KNOW the media twists reality, and they do it twice as often to women.

If you "dislike hypocrisy" so much, why the hell don't you call out the OP for telling a massive, honking LIE? Hillary SUPPORTS medical MJ--the OP didn't tell the truth. There's video in this thread that proves it. Even Bernie suporters are calling the OP out.

So where in hell are YOU?

Too busy carping, I guess. I guess some "hypocrisy" is OK, so long as your boy comes out on top?

Yeah, whatever.

[MADem]

91. VAGUE words? You are a lousy listener. That's not an opinion--that's fact.

Yes. YES. I will certainly support it, and I want to get the research going as well...."

She could not have been more clear.

You might want to clear out your ears. And you certainly shouldn't be in any line of work where communication skills are required because if you came away confused, you have comprehension issues.

I'd say trying to make you understand, if you had trouble with that very direct exchange, would be like "talking to water"--to quote YOU.

smh.

[TM99]

99. She supports the mother.

She did not clearly say I support medical marijuana. She clearly stated she wants to get research going. It has been going and a lot is done.

She was not clear. She was typical Clinton. You bias is showing and it was apparent when you slammed cannabis as a hippie-dippy issue.

Go away.

[MADem]

101. Yes. She DID. "It" is medical MJ for the woman's kid. LISTEN. You're not doing that. She was

ENTIRELY clear.

Could it be that your ire is clouding your hearing as well as your vision?

My hearing is not biased--nor is the hearing of all the SANDERS supporters on this thread who heard the very same thing I heard.

You're just annoyed that your premise has been disproven, and you're taking it out on me. Sorry you are so upset, but that's not going to change the fact that Clinton agreed with the mother and reached out to HELP her. Darn the bad luck for you, I guess.

"Go away?" Golly, how MATURE of you!



smh.

[TM99]

105. I am so done with you.

Welcome to my Ignore list.

[MADem]

107. Isn't that nice!

A little travelling music, then...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

139. Go away

Go away

How do you enforce that on the 'internets'?

[George II]

180. You obviously didn't watch the video of the encounter.

[CountAllVotes]

196. Talking to water

Is that Holy Water by chance?

You'll need some for the coronation!

[SunSeeker]

255. FYI

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[MADem]

256. I would like to thank that jury from the bottom of my heart. nt

[SunSeeker]

257. ...

[MADem]

261. ..............

[cstanleytech]

266. All we did was what we agreed to do as part of the DU community and

while your post "might" have been a wee bit over the top I just honestly didnt believe it deserved to be hidden and clearly the others agreed but you are welcome.

[MADem]

267. I appreciate your comments and your vote. nt

[artislife]

17. Merkel....and Hillary

See, just because they're women it doesn't mean they're soft.

[LuvLoogie]

32. And I suppose snark sort of rhymes with smart...

[still_one]

95. You do realize that it was pointed out that the OP is not being truthful don't you? That is not

what happened.

See post 33 for what actually transpired

[TM99]

100. See my other replies.

She was not at all direct. Watch again. And besides my complaint is more about another Democrat on this forums hippie punching and making shit up about medical cannabis for those who could and do need it.

But carry on.....

[Hoppy]

209. Please see my edit of the o.p.

Let me know if and why you may believe it needs further clarification.

[mercuryblues]

118. except the OP is a LIE

Hillary did not say that, not even close.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

Which makes me wonder why someone would LIE about something that is so easily disproved. My guess is for people like you. Who will jump on anything that paints HRC in a negative light. Who won't click on the links provided by others about the actual exchange.

Fair Goer: I also wanted to let you know I am a mother of a severely disabled child. She's on 14 different medications right now. Methadone, morphine and uhm....

HRC: Tell me how old she is?

FG: She is only 3

HRC: What's her....

FG: Her name is Quinn

HRC: What's Quinn's

FG: She is undiagnosed. She has severe epilepsy. Heart seizures they can't stop. She arches severely, she's on a feeding tube'

HRC: Oh, wow.

FG: She is not expected to live very long, but you know I have been advocating for the medical cannabis.

HRC: Yes, yes (shaking head yes)

FG: on a nationwide level. We would love your support for medical purpose

HRC: (shaking head yes) Yes and to do the research to know exactly

FG: Her meds that she is on now will kill her faster than her disease. So just wanted to introduce myself and thank you for coming out to the State Fair

HRC: I will certainly support it. I have and I will continue to support it

FG: Thank you

HRC: and I want to get the research going on it

FG: Yes, she's part of a clinical trial right now

HRC: good. good
(cross chatting)

FG: I am looking for alternatives because the FDA approved meds are

HRC: Because they are so strong, especially for a little kid

FG: she's only 3, she gorgeous, she deserves so much. Thank you so much, thank you.

HRC: Let me see. Will you give my spokesman your name address and stuff, ok.

FG:Yeah, yeah.

All this OP has proven is that they are a big liar. They should delete the OP. They should be ashamed of themselves for trying to smear a DEMOCRATIC candidate on Democratic Underground. If the OP refuses, the Hosts should lock it.

[Hoppy]

210. I refuse to withdraw but have offered an addedum.

[okasha]

241. Your addendum is still a lie.

Hillary said of medical marijuana,

"I will certainly support it. I have and will continue to support it."

There is nothing vague or equivocal about that statement. Your false paraphrase seems to have (to be kind) duped exactly three people. The majority of Sanders supporters on this thread have called you out on the lie and refused to jump on the chance to make the Senator look good via a falsehood. They reflect Bernie's own honesty.

You don't.

[Sancho]

121. There is no "lack of genuine empathy"

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/on-the-road-with-hillary-clinton-as-she-surprisingly-connects-with-voters/2241358

"She brought me to tears. I am a tough, cranky, hard-a-- New Englander, and she touched my heart today," businesswoman Denise Andrews said after attending a town hall meeting in Exeter, N.H.

News coverage of Clinton's Exeter appearance focused on her reaction to "offensive, outrageous" Trump, rather than her interaction with the mother of a 5-year-old girl battling cancer or the young man drowning in college loans and unable to find a job. ("You're a good-looking young man. You ought to be out in the world making your way," Clinton said, sounding like a grandma.)

"She has so much compassion, and it shows," said middle school teacher Sarah Harris, the mother of that girl close to beating Stage 4 liver cancer. "She's a person, she's a grandmother, she's somebody's mother."

"She is so knowledgeable in so many areas, and she connects really well with folks. The longer the campaign goes, the better for her, I think, because more people will see her and get past all that noise."

[George II]

159. The complete C-span VIDEO (not edited two-sentence biased summary) has been posted...

...several times in this thread. Take a few moments and watch it (starts around 9:00 into the video), then come back and tell us what you think, okay?

Here:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2

[Agschmid]

172. So...

Did you watch the video?

Or just get angry and pile on?

[sabrina 1]

8. Wow, 'hippy-dippy'! Now that is a revealing use of a slam against Democrats.

Explains a lot I must say.

Bernie btw, is not afraid of any labels, he simply tells the truth. And that is why he continues to surge among the people. Sick to death of calculating politicians who worry more about upsetting Republicans, who btw, were also among the 'hippy dippies' themselves, than about doing what is right for the people.

Afraid to stand up, doesn't make for a good leader.

Dems certainly don't view medical marijuana as a 'hippy dippie' issue. So what is Hillary worried about, most of THEM smoke pot, any I ever knew anyhow. So who is she worried about? Or this more of the 'tough on crime' stand she has always supported, the policies that have put more AAs in prison than other demographic?

Thank the gods we have a candidate who wants to BAN private prisons and isn't afraid to say so. Who is for medical marijuana and isn't afraid to say so.

But maybe she is just for keeping the drug war going. I can't say since it's hard to find where she stands on the issues.

[MADem]

28. What does it "explain" Sabrina? Hmmmm? Do tell, I'm all ears.

Sounds like you're saying I'm not a "Democrat," or something. How low can you go?

You're really obvious, not in a good way, either. You goad and bait, you snidely insult, and then you get hurt feelings when someone notices your conduct.

If "Bernie tells the truth" then why did he make a nasty deal with Lockheed Martin to put the worst military aircraft in history in Burlington? He sure didn't tell the truth there. And why does he have such a boneheaded stance on guns? What kind of truth is that? But this isn't about Bernie, anyway. You always want to fight about him--go do that with someone who cares what you think.

Way to not read what I wrote either--in your eagerness to slam me--as you always do, it's like a sport with you--you again failed to actually look at the words I wrote and translate them into thoughts. You just had to leap and attack. As. You. Do.

I said the MEDIA would TWIST what she had to say--as they do--a lot like what you're doing with me. Way to prove the point with your own example--"Look at MADem, slamming Democrats....EXPLAINS A LOT, I must SAY....."

That's some sick shit. All you got, I guess...?

SMH. You really might think about getting another hobby. Coming after me like you do, again and again, with childish "explains a lot" snark, reveals more about you than you realize.

You would benefit from a more mature approach to conversation--your petty name - calling and snide insinuations just don't work, and say PLENTY about you.

[Mnemosyne]

40. Sabrina simply disagreed with you and has facts to back it up. I see no goading and insults. nt

[MADem]

63. You aren't looking very hard. Would you like it if I snarked about your Democratic bona fides?

Said "That explains a lot?"

She didn't have "facts" either. The OP turns out to be a complete LIE. Straight outta Disinformation-Land.

Watch/learn--

[oasis]

112. Hillary could not been any clearer in her support of the issue.

Haters hear what they want to hear.

[MADem]

113. What's hilarious is that a scant few people continue to insist otherwise, when even staunch

Sanders supporters agree that this OP is not accurate, not fair, and has no place here. Some people can disagree without resorting to cheap shots, and those people are to be commended. The ones that can't deviate from a partisan mindset, even in the face of overwhelming proof...well, ya gotta wonder about that.

I think this OP is pure disruption, nothing more--it's also completely untrue, that's been demonstrated, and the 22 people who "rec'd" this piece of shit (the OP is included among them--what kind of person recs their own post? Ewww) have to live with their exercise of poor judgment--if they don't get the spirit and withdraw that shameful endorsement!

[oasis]

115. I thank you and others for providing the facts and exposing

shameless fraud.

[MADem]

117. The guy roped me in for a second, too--I just got riled when I realized I'd been gamed.

It's a crying shame that this kind of thing is allowed to happen here.

[George II]

197. OOOPs...the OP forgot to mentions Clinton's comment "I will certainly support it, I have and...

....I will continue to support it"!!

I fucking HATE crap like this OP's snapshot of the 2-minute discussion between Clinton and the woman.

[Hoppy]

212. Please read my addendum to the o.p.

[George II]

268. I'll look again, but if you didn't do a second addendum, the first only made your post worse.

[MADem]

264. The "addendum" is still inaccurate. It's reprehensible. nt

[Picking Dem]

175. *sigh* Show the Clinton supporters facts, and they think it's an attack.

That's why Clinton's polling is still dropping on a weekly basis and Bernie hasn't dipped from his polls.

Hillary supporters should at *least* look up "Charlotte's Web" strain.

[George II]

187. Except that the OP didn't really give the "facts" of the encounter....

....just a snarly biased WRONG version, and he/she has disappeared into the vapor

[Picking Dem]

189. I just finished reading it.

Yes, yes. I have to agree - the OP is a lie. But the key thing is that there is already 'plenty' of research and the popular strain especially made for medical purpose called "Charlotte's Web" which has very high CBD which provides relief from many medical ailments.

[George II]

191. True....but what was she going to do while strolling through the crowd, do a detailed policy speech?

She did get the woman's contact information. Now if she gets back to her or not we'll never know, but she showed much more concern than the phony OP tried to say she did(n't)

[Mnemosyne]

301. I have no issue with MADem, but Sabrina has always been fair and accurate since first posting here.

I read more than post these days due to the attacks that come so easily from some here nowadays.

Free the Weed, for the sick and the non-drinkers now! I lost a good friend to alcohol when his shop started hair testing. His hair was to his waist, cut it off and started drinking. He is not a good drunk, at all.

Why can't they just use the study Nixon ordered and suppressed in the '70s?! It showed it as safe and non-addictive; it showed the arrests cause more harm than the use of cannabis, iirc.

Welcome to DU, Picking Dem!

[sabrina 1]

72. So what if the media twists what she says? And what's wrong with being a 'hippy dippie'?

Why would she care about being called something associated with Democrats? Why not say 'thank you' and not worry about what the irrelevant Corporate media and Republicans 'think'? They DON'T think.

I am sure most Democrats consider that to be a compliment. 'The hippies were right' should be a campaign slogan and would probably GET votes. Then what would they say? Shove it in their faces. Stand up to them! Like Bernie does. That's what people want, no more of this catering to lunatics, reaching across the aisle nonsense.

The fact that she worries about what ignorant Republicans and a dying media might think, means she either doesn't understand how angry the people are or is out of touch with the PEOPLE who are in no way represented by Republicans, which is why so many don't even bother to vote, because Repubs are insane and Dems won't stand up to them.

[MADem]

79. Well, it turns out your little buddy twisted this story but good.

This thread is a huge lie.

"Yes. YES. I will certainly support it, and I want to get the research going as well...."


That's what Hillary said, but your pal who started this thing just made shit up.

Looks like the twisters are a little closer to home, Sabrina. Gee--why am I not surprised? It isn't just the media Hillary needs to look out for...it's people who call themselves Democrats.

I will say, the Sanders supporters who spoke up against this thread have my respect.

[DonViejo]

184. Are you freaking serious Sabrina?....

So what if the media twists what she says?

Bookmark this OP so you can get back to me when the media starts twisting what Senator Sanders has to say....oh, wait....they did that over his reaction in Seattle to the interruption by BLM.

[George II]

192. "So what if the media twists what she says?" That doesn't bother you? Whew!

[bettyellen]

200. "'The hippies were right' should be a campaign slogan and would probably GET votes. " Brilliant!!!

you should send that idea to Sanders' people right fugging now!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. Anybody that runs afoul of certain orthodoxies can expect to be attacked and degraded relentlessly

Anybody that runs afoul of certain orthodoxies and dares not to support the Chosen One can expect to be attacked and degraded relentlessly.

[cheapdate]

39. It seems to me it wasn't a "slam against Democrats";

it was a speculative guess about how an explicit pro-legalization position might be reported in the media circus.

I like Bernie Sanders and plan to vote for him in the primary, but he isn't the second coming of Christ. He's an outspoken champion for economic justice and for giving power to ordinary people.

Democrats began supporting tough on crime positions in 1980s after THEY GOT FUCKING KILLED ON THE ISSUE (see Dukakis) and entered a long period of political exile because of it.

[George II]

269. "Democrats began supporting tough on crime positions in 1980s"...

...Don't forget Senator Sanders voted for the 1994 Crime Bill.

[cheapdate]

270. Yes, lots to dislike in that bill,

and a few positive provisions, including Title IV, the Violence Against Women Act, a federal assault weapons ban, and the creation of new classes of federal hate crimes.

But overall a dismal and destructive piece of legislation that gave us juvenile offender "boot camps" and eliminated spending for federal inmate education programs, to name but a few terrible effects of the law.

It's an imperfect world.

[George II]

163. WATCH THE VIDEO! Starts at about 9:00......

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2

[PoliticAverse]

18. "As of April 2015, 23 states and Washington D.C. have legalized cannabis for medical use

with seven states pending legislation."

(From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis_in_the_United_States )

It's not the '60s.

[MADem]

20. And that's great--leave it to the states; a tipping point will be reached and the Supremes will let

it roll.

The liberals on the court will want to light one up, the conservatives will fall back on state's rights.

Win-win.

It's not the sixties, but media hatchet jobs on candidates have been happening since the third POTUS took office. If HRC didn't fire up a j up in Wellesley College in her youth, I'd be surprised. Could she admit it nowadays? The media would have her mainlining heroin in the combat zone by the time they got through.

But hey, keep flogging this issue like it's a deal breaker. It's not. You just explained why in your post. The states are going to carry this shit over the finish line--the federal government will bring up the rear.

And like I said, I support legalization. Not "medical mj." Not "decriminalization." I think anyone of legal age should be permitted to walk into the weed store and buy themselves some weed. I think it should be taxed, not robustly, but well enough, like most "sin" taxes on booze and cigarettes. I think the handy people with green thumbs should be allowed to grow themselves some weed. I think people should just back the hell off and away from people who want to smoke their weed.

Leave 'em be. Legalize it.

But I can see why HRC dances around the issue--not everyone realizes it's harmless. They'll learn, eventually, but they aren't there quite yet.

[PoliticAverse]

23. We elected someone as President that admitted using pot and cocaine and you think Clinton

should be afraid to admit she smoked pot?

[MADem]

35. Women don't get the same breaks men do. You know that. But try to pretend the playing field is

level--if that's all you got. Men sow their wild oats, women are sluts. Men are adventurous, women are reckless, intemperate, unhinged. Men are bold and assertive, women are whining and strident.

It's a sexist world out there--maybe you ought to study up, if you're unclear.


If you're a good liberal, a real liberal, a genuine liberal, you'll ally yourself with women trying to level that playing field and break those glass ceilings, not pretend that you have NO IDEA that they endure serious disadvantages and have to constantly guard against deliberate misinterpretations of their actions.

[PoliticAverse]

42. "Level that playing" field by telling women they have to act differently than men else someone

might think negatively of them, apparently.

[MADem]

48. Just stop it. You're way too obvious for words. The clueless act doesn't play. nt

[PoliticAverse]

53. I must be "clueless", it makes no difference to me whether it's a man or a woman that admits

they smoked pot, always good to be reminded there are people who think it does though.

[MADem]

56. Yes, there are lots of people--and they write stories in the media and twist them. And they hold

women to higher standards than men.

If you haven't figured this out yet--go back to school.

And while you're at it, check the video in this thread. Turns out the entire premise of this wingnut-quality piece of garbage thread is a great big honking lie.

[LuvLoogie]

44. The thing is, MADem

Hillary did'nt dance around the issue. The OP is a lie. A heinous smear. You gave it more credit than it was worth, because -really- who would sink so low as this OP.

Check out the videos down thread

[MADem]

47. I JUST saw the video--I think this OP is DISGUSTING, it is FALSE and the person who wrote it should

retract it.

If this were my website, I'd PPR. That kind of blatant prevarication has NO PLACE here.

[Hekate]

62. FYI-- I alerted on the OP. Let's see if the jury pool gives a rip tonight. nt

[MADem]

66. I think the admins need to look at this in a serious way.

There is NO fucking way that exchange between Clinton and that young mother could have been misinterpreted. NONE.

It wouldn't surprise me if a rightwing site tried to frame it that way, because that's what they do, they lie, they take phrases out of context, they hope that people will not check --but why would anyone bring rightwing framing to leftwing website?

I will never trust that poster again.

[Hekate]

78. I'm with you all the way. The only reason the OP isn't going on my Iggy list ....

....is I want to be aware if/when it gets pizza for this behavior.

[MADem]

81. I don't IGGY either. Sticks and stones--and they come right out with the name-calling frequently.

This thread, though, is the worst I've seen in awhile. I must say that I think the long term DUers here, Sanders supporters included, who have objected to this false narrative have my respect.

Maybe one day we can get back to a civil discourse.

[Hekate]

85. You might approach the Admins about this one, because my Alert failed (post 84)

My my my

[questionseverything]

246. at least you admit she is dancing around the issue

she has been a dc insider for over 30 years, the dems tough on crime stance has led to half a million users to be incarcerated, to for profit prisons, to the militarization of police to public rape along the road by cops of "suspected hippy dippys"

[MADem]

249. Turns out, I was wrong--she's NOT dancing around the issue, though I wouldn't blame her if she did.

Of course, if you watched the video where she says the exact opposite of this mendacious thread's premise, you'd know that--but I guess playing goad-and-bait is more your style...?

There are Sanders supporters in this thread who do not endorse what this prevarication of a thread is trying to sell--but I guess you're not standing with them.

I'm not surprised.

[MoveIt]

233. Flailing is using the term "Hippy-Dippy" as a pejorative on DU

Oh wait, that's your schtick, punching hippies.... now it makes sense.

[MADem]

237. Yeah, whatever!

Flailing is telling an utter falsehood about what a candidate said, and making an OP about it, and then having people who are so invested in "winning" perpetuate the falsehood AND attack people in the thread for bullshit reasons, to boot!

I got some bad news for you, buddy--I was one of those hippy-dippys, back in the day, and I don't regret a moment of it. I'm not in favor of full legalization for shitz-n-giggles. But I'm not running for POTUS, either. Unlike you, I understand optics.

Try another childish, pulled-out-of-thin-air, lame thesis, why don't you? Or why don't you simply do the right thing, and join the people who are saying that what the OP did here was dead wrong? That would take a bit of character--are you up to it?

[MoveIt]

238. um, do try and keep up.

edited to point out the post times, I think the OP is incorrect in its titling and is overly combative.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=521962

Reflexively running from republican frames is a sore point for me, and I missed that you were doing just that, and not invoking them but its a slippery slope, IMO.

[Warren DeMontague]

305. I like you, MA-- but I really think you need to get out of yr. East Coast conventional wisdom bubble

Pot Legalization (and certainly, medical marijuana) is by no means and in no way, shape, or form, just "hippie-dippy" shit, anymore. In fact, a majority of voters support it, not just in unpopulated jerkwater nowhere states like California, (with its meager 34 million residents) but also in states like Ohio- either of which may very well be the next to legalize.

Oh, I also hear tell that Ohio is a sort of important swing state. As is Colorado. Maybe a Candidate standing up for legalization could motivate Ohio voters to come to the polls who otherwise might stay home or are undecided...

So it's possible, is it not, that getting out in front of this thing - clearly, unequivocally- could actually be GOOD politics, for Hillary Clinton?

That said, I do think the OP misrepresented what happened. However, she did seem to be in a bit of a hurry to shut the conversation down, lest she be forced to take a more concrete stand or give a clear quote. If she's not following Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's playbook on medical marijuana- namely, arrest as many pot smoking cancer patients as possible- well, I suppose that's something.

But again, the thinking seems to be that this is somehow an issue to be avoided, is old-school thinking and doesn't recognize the fact that Millennials, in particular, are supportive of legalization just as they're supportive of marriage equality.

[MADem]

306. If you can't recognize a measure of snark when you see it, I can't help you. Come on. Good grief.

I realize there's no sound effects available to illustrate posts, but I got beat down with the faux outrage stick here --no need for you to pile on. You know better. Surely you've seen Laugh In??? George Carlin's Weatherman routines?

Since I have spent half my life outside USA, and much of it away from east coast, as well, I think your characterization is a bit off. Yes, I have family and roots here, but New England is not my only home base and the conventions of this region do not rule my thought process.

And if you don't think there isn't a subset of people who still think MJ is the DEVIL WEED, I have a bridge to sell you. Sanjay Gupta's special was groundbreaking BECAUSE of those people...many of whom still are not convinced. As I have said, repeatedly on this site, we are at a TIPPING POINT re: this issue. We are not quite there yet, but we're moving in that direction. This election cycle will help, but it may take as much as five years, maybe ten, to go coast-to-coast on this issue.

Look, this thread was a piece of shit from the get-go. It was a gross misrepresentation, it was shameful, and I guess someone alerted on it and it wasn't hidden, even though we used to prize accuracy and truth here no matter what the topic--but that's gone by the wayside.

I'm not going to be returning to this hot mess, because the premise is garbage and I don't want to be involved in kicking it further, but I thought you were owed the decency of a response.

[emulatorloo]

5. She had her aides get the mother's contact information

If she was 'cold' she would not have done that. If she were 'cold' she would have let the mother disappear into the crowd.


More than likely she will try to get some help for the mother and child.

[RichVRichV]

37. That's a very nice gesture.

I'm always proud when a politician takes the time to help an individual.


Though it doesn't help other mothers and children in the very same spot. Legalizing medical marijuana possibly can. The purpose of government is to make improvements on a macro scale, not a micro one.

[George II]

164. And the encounter was more than 10 or 15 seconds, and she showed genuine concern.

[riversedge]

242. thank you for saying that

[joshcryer]

289. That surprised me a lot.

It could show a policy shift or advocacy point because we all know politicians like to litter their speeches telling stories about people they meet on the campaign trail.

I feel like a fool for believing OP.

[Historic NY]

10. Didn't you leave out something about the interaction......

A 30-something Iowan mother named April Stumpf asked her to support legalizing medicinal marijuana nationally. Stumpf’s three-year-old daughter, Quinn, has a severe case of epilepsy and is about to die, she explained to Clinton. Her doctors recommend medical marijuana to ease the pain, but it’s hard to get because it’s illegal to sell in Iowa. The state allows residents to get medical marijuana cards and purchase the drug out of state — but often states that sell it require patients to be present for purchase, and Quinn is too sick to travel.

“She’s not expected to live past … ” her voice trailed off. “I mean, she can go at any time.”

Clinton agreed that there should be more research on the subject. And when Stumpf walked away, she dispatched her aides to get her contact information as the crowd continued onward.


I'd say she'd be making a effort. Apparently there is a need to lie, its becoming a standard here.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-drops-her-guard-in-iowa-121394.html#ixzz3iw70v3H9

[TM99]

55. It is still a 'safe answer' and then a double message.

The research is done actually. And sending your aides is one thing but having the courage to do it face to face even with the camera rolling is quite another.

Is Clinton evil? Oh, good lord no. But she does come across so often as calculating how she will look or might be perceived. Drop the damned "I have been and continue to be always running for president' persona and be real with people. If she can't even do so with those who support her, then that is an optics problem far worse than looking like a fucking hippie.

[Hekate]

65. Apparently the cameras were rolling and it was caught on film. But the lie is so much more juicy.

[TM99]

83. I watched the video.

No lie. Just my valid criticism.

[emulatorloo]

299. Spreading half-truths and fabricating lies as OP did is not

"Valid Criticism." Nor is promoting the OP's intellectual dishonesty as you have been doing.

Clinton is too conservative for me, but I have zero tolerance for Rove-style propaganda against Democrats.

[seabeyond]

71. If you actually listen to the exchange about research it was the

Suggestion for further research on result of use with various symptoms.. Not whether it is or is not useful or harmful. The way people are using the research comment is just wrong. Clinton was in total agreement with the mom

[LuvLoogie]

75. Nope! OP is a blatant lie and a heinous smear.

And neither was the exchange as you characterize. Do not become encrusted with your anti-Clinton tendancies.

[joshcryer]

292. I'm sorry I have to disagree.

Clinton has always said "more research" and called marijuana a "gateway drug" and said it needs to be "enforced." This was the first time she has ever said "I support it and will continue to support it" to my knowledge.

There is obviously going to be calculation on this issue because 1) the majority of Americans support it 2) it will likely be a party plank and 3) it will get a lot of votes from white males who would normally vote Republican (we saw this in the exit polls in 2012, Obama won in Colorado by 51.5%, marijuana legalization won by 55.32%).

The Democratic nominee will have to address it.

[joshcryer]

290. "I support it and will continue to support it."

That was the first strong statement from Clinton on this subject matter that I am aware of (yes she has said stuff to that ends before but conditioned on research).

The thing is marijuana legalization will be a party plank, so it cannot hurt to be for legalization.

[quickesst]

11. I notice...

.... there are no quotation marks in "Hillary's response". So, is that all she said? Four words? Or is it something you heard, read, made up, or cherry picked from a longer response for your own purposes? And if you know what she said, then you should know what the woman's response was. So, what was the woman's reaction to Hillary's statement?

[MADem]

50. Watch the video. The OP is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth--to put it politely.

Hillary said she SUPPORTS medical MJ--she said YES YES .... AND she also wants more research.

The OP is just not at all accurate. It is completely and utterly untrue.

The OP has smeared his or her OWN reputation with this stinker.

[quickesst]

133. When I replied...

...last night, I had to write my post twice. The second one was what I posted. The first was what I really wanted to say. Probably not a good idea. There are some good people here that support other candidates, especially Bernie Sanders. One has to wonder what they think about others who post disingenuous crap like this OP, and how it reflects upon them and their candidate.

[LuvLoogie]

12. Nice Newsmaxian OP.

and really heinous given the actual article up-thread. You need a sabbatical. A time of self reflection.

[dreamnightwind]

13. We don't need more research on it

We need to legalize it. For one thing, it's part of the incarceration explosion. For another, the "we need more research" is what we;ve been told by prohibitionists for generations, all the while working to make sure that research is never done.

And this was about medical, not recreational, denying medical is even harder to defend.

It doesn't matter much to me that she got the person's contact #, this is a campaign, she is taking stands on issues, and her stand on mmj is apparently "we need more research".

[TheFarS1de]

14. the issue is ...

Dupont .

[dreamnightwind]

15. Please elaborate

I don't doubt it but if you have something to share on Dupont re this issue, a little more info could be helpful, especially as it does or doesn't relate to Hillary's position.

[TheFarS1de]

30. A quick backstory

Dupont invented nylon but they had to compete with the hemp industry . Through political connections they pushed for criminalisation . And here we are today still arguing about hemp when other countries make a fortune in it's production .

http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm

There are a lot of sites that deal with the information so if you want to look further into it have a dig . The only issue I have is that this archaic political stance still has resonance today . Just based of what Hillary stated shows that the establishment are still locked in the last century .

Change and progress is needed . I would hope that Hillary would be for legilisation as the net community and taxation benefits combined with the law enforcement cost savings are a win/win for everyone concerned .

[dreamnightwind]

59. OK

I am aware of a lot of the history on its legalization, sorry, I thought perhaps you were saying Dupont is behind Hillary's response, what you are referring to is real but happened a long time ago. You're correct that we're still dealing with it today in some ways, many forces against legalization, including police unions, prison guard unions, pharmaceuticals that market more harmful but legal prescription painkillers, etc.

I am certainly on your side of this issue.

I just watched the actual video footage of the woman talking to Hillary, Hillary did say she supports it but twice spoke of the need to do more research, not good enough although it sounds better than the OP implied, no way to tell if it is in fact better than the OP implied or if she is just saying she supports it while she obstructs it hiding behind "research". We've seen that movie for a long long time.

[TheFarS1de]

92. A fair point ...

But my inference was not on Hillary but on the political stance ALL politicians for a long time have advocated . I just hope that one day a progressive leader will be able to sell the taxation and enforcement savings component .

It is a viper's nest of issues I'm sure but I could go on and on with the net societal and financial benefits this would generate .

And it is good to know Hillary supports it but the "need's more research" component is what worries me . The FDA can get pharma drugs out in a timely manner however a natural known substance still requires investigation is a bit of a blow .

But it is early in the election so I am hoping she can better stipulate her stance on these issues .

Also you are right that right now everyone is on edge around here and some of the postings are rather "sharp" in their delivery . I just hope when the blood simmers back down everyone can try to work towards bettering the situation .

[LuvLoogie]

24. Here's the actual exchange at around 8:50

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

But please proceed to double down on your disdain and misconceptions.

[dreamnightwind]

52. OK I watched it

"we have to do the research"

...

"I will certainly support it, I do support it, we have to get the research going."

I think those are accurate quotes.

So her response was better than the article suggested. It still felt like a cop-out to me, a way to say she supports it but putting it off until more research is done. An important issue to a lot of people, IMO not a good response. YMMV of course.

[LuvLoogie]

61. Oh brother, just admit you got fished in by the OP.

Now it is you that are tap dancing. Hillary is talking about doing the research as it applies to treatment of the girl's specific case. Because the doctors don't actually know the cause of her daughter's ailment, and she is undergoing "medical trials" which include medical cannabis.

[Hoppy]

214. Please read my addendum to the o.p.

[BooScout]

224. Why don't you delete your OP

Since it was WRONG.

[LuvLoogie]

239. Sorry buddy. You crapped your pants.

I suggest you take a sabbatical. Really. Your OP is either purposefully heinous or woefully ignorant. This is not something that a sober, decent person posts. You lack maturity and self awareness.

That you would think your "addendum" mitigates on your behalf only confirms that you need a period of self-reflection.

Most of the people here are adults, many are well-educated, many have children. You are just wrong on so many levels, that self work and day to day living might not be possible for you.

[MADem]

77. "Yes. YES. I will certainly support it, and I want to get the research going as well...."

IT is "medical MJ." And that was an EXACT quote.

Thought number one--I will support it.


Thought number two--and I want more research. Not BUT. AND.

The response isn't "better than the article suggested"--the response is EXACTLY what this desperate mother was looking for.

Good grief--and you're still trying to pretend that was anything other than full support for this mother?

You are REACHING.

Shame. You got gamed by someone who played everyone coming into this thread. Sanders supporters are jumping on this dumbass thread and saying it's wrong--and that gives me hope for the concept of decency on DU. And speaking of that, anyone with decency--no matter who their candidate is-- should step up, and not defend anyone who behaves like this. No one should make shit up about any candidate.

You don't need people like that on your team. They just might not be real friends, if they can toss out a falsehood that can be refuted so easily.

[MADem]

54. Well, turns out the OP is bullshit--Clinton supports Medical MJ AND wants more research.

I think you might want to double check anything that poster has to say in future. I know I will. I will never trust that person to give me an accurate report ever again after this stinker of a thread.

There is a video in this thread. Watch it before you say anything more--and then put the OP on your "hold your nose" list.

I used to trust DUers as being reasonably factual, even if I didn't disagree with them on specifics. This thread--and the complete falsehood shopped in the OP-- has reminded me that I can't trust people on this website anymore. That's a shame.

[okasha]

253. Watch the video.

Hillary's stance on medical mj is that she "has and will continue to support it.'

[McCamy Taylor]

19. I'll believe it when I see the video. What? No Video?

[Historic NY]

21. CSpan starting at 8:39 since you asked.....

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

[LuvLoogie]

27. Yes the video exposes the OP as the bullshit that it is.

[Indepatriot]

22. Another heroic "Finger In The Wind" moment...

[LuvLoogie]

25. Another anti-Hillary fail...

and may I add that this one is truly epic.

[MADem]

38. Sounds more like a finger somewhere else. And it ain't Clinton's finger, either.

Another effort more worthy of the Daily Caller than DU. I wouldn't proudly affiliate myself with it. Shows more than you might want to reveal.

[BlueStateLib]

26. Watch the clip, this post is just another BS smear against hillary

You guys are something else

[MADem]

43. WOW....the accusation sounds like it is straight outta the bowels of free republic!!

The reality is the EXACT opposite!


"I will certainly support it, and I want to get the research going as well...."

No fucking shame, here. None at all.

[riversedge]

244. At the end the mom said Thank you for coming out to the state fair...

How could anyone smear this sincere interaction. Whow!

[Luminous Animal]

31. Bullshit. I am a Bernie supporter and she did no such thing. Shame on you.

[MADem]

45. Why did you not tell the truth? The woman asked for her support, and Clinton said YES, YES.

I will certainly support it, I have and I will continue to support it.

It's really disgusting, what you did with this OP. You should be ashamed.

[RichVRichV]

46. The op improperly tried to make this story about Hillary being cold hearted which she isn't.

The real story is she waffled on yet another stance. It's all triangulation all the time.

[seabeyond]

68. You are wrong to. Clinton was saying do the research to find how it helps

She was not waffling with the comment of research. She was talking to a mom listing symptoms with no diagnosis. When mom got to a certain statement about medical cannib Clinton was agreeing and do the research to see how it helps.

No waffling

It wasn't research to see if it will we need to legalize. But the role pit plays in these symptoms

[RichVRichV]

80. There in lies the catch 22.

It's difficult to do the research because marijuana is listed as a Schedule 1 drug by the federal government – the strictest level of regulation for a controlled substance.

Even though it may be legal in many states, it's still illegal to even run medical tests with it on the federal level. This has severely hampered clinical research into it's effects. In spite of that, limited testing on it has shown positive results on at least one of her listed symptoms, Epilepsy.

[seabeyond]

89. And there Clinton is stating she agrees with the woman

And the research needs to be done

Good for her

Clear and no he's titration or triangulation you accuse her of. And if we did not get a full statement from Clinton it is cause the supporter had a story to tell, things to say and Clinton was not stopping her to make a political point

[RichVRichV]

93. That's really the tact you want to take?

So if she wasn't waffling then she's ignorant of the current laws on medical marijuana that make research extremely difficult. Considering she's a career politician I consider ignorance of the law to be a much worse sin than taking a non-stance. Believe it or not I was giving her the benefit of the doubt when I went with triangulation.


There has to be some legalization of the drug done at the federal level, even if it's just changing the scheduling of the drug, before it can be legally researched. What part of this is hard to understand?

[seabeyond]

94. Ya, it is pretty damn clear Clinton was supportive and does not have an

Issue with medical marijuana

[RichVRichV]

97. Of course she was supportive of the person.

That's the one thing everyone in this thread but the OP agrees on. Hillary is a good hearted person that does care about people.

edit: Going to retract the second part. I went back and watched the video for a third time with the volume all the way up. And while she never said she agreed with legalizing marijuana, she was nodding her head along as the lady talked about legalizing it. I'll assume that is tacit approval for legalizing.

[seabeyond]

68. You are wrong to. Clinton was saying do the research to find how it helps

She aas not waffling with the comment of research. She was talking to a mom listing symptoms with no diagnosis. When mom got to a certain statement about medical canna is, Clinton was agreeing and do the research to see how it helps.

No waffling

It wasn't research to see if it will we need to legalize. But the role pit plays in these symptoms

[Hekate]

51. Big Fail. Your OP is in the category of Things That Make DU Suck.

Take the lie back.

[doxyluv13]

64. +100 And as anti-Clinton Propaganda it fails….

..if people watch the video. I'm an undecided voter and Hillary comes off rather well in the video. IMHO of course.

[seabeyond]

57. Why did you lie hoppy and why don't you have the guts to address

All the people calling you out?

[Lancero]

58. Lets play guess the jury results... (Here they are)

Should be a fun way to pass the time while the results come in.

I'm thinking 3-4 leave.

Called it


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[MADem]

70. I hope for a better result, but I am probably being too optimistic.

I think the admins need to look at this if it doesn't get the ax. It's just wrong. It's not a DU-type post at all. It would go over well at that 'other' place.

[Hekate]

84. Oh looky here, the jury pool doesn't give a rip tonight. It's 3-4 to Leave it Alone

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[MADem]

88. Holy shit.

Admins need to look at those results--especially five and six. We don't do lying in OPs here.

[Hekate]

90. We didn't USED TO do lying in OPs here.

Apparently there's a new standard.

[riversedge]

126. So sorry to see this. The OP is something right off of Fox news.

[sufrommich]

136. When is Skinner going to address the broken jury system? nt

[dsc]

223. I send an inquiry to ata on July 19

still no answer. I can't give you the exact words but it was about the jury system and the bad results we were getting then largely about black lives matter and related issues.

[bettyellen]

201. did you alert on the results? the admins will see it if you do.

[cheapdate]

73. "The Annointed One" or simply "The One" is what right-wingers

derisively call Barack Obama. Can't say I'm happy to see the same language used by Democrats against Democrats.

Also, the Dukakis story is an example of a Democrat who opposed the death penalty at a time when that position was even less popular than it is today. Exactly what point were you trying to make with that example? You said Dukakis was "cold" because he wouldn't change his position and say that he WAS in favor of state execution if the victim was his own family.

[Person 2713]

74. What does the Fox say?

[seabeyond]

76. 19 people recommends this blatant lie about our democratic candidate along with insults like

Anointed one that the rw uses all on our progressive board... Telling.

[Hekate]

86. Meantime the OP has run off after dropping a stink bomb in the room. Cute. nt

[still_one]

96. I noticed that too. If the OP had any decency for the truth, the OP would lock the thread, but that

won't happen

[seabeyond]

207. i am noticing with the diehards, there are even a few that refuse to actually accept what clinton

said in reality, the circumstance of her not really saying a lot because a mother was telling a heart wrenching story, her concern with medical marijuana and clinton was not doing a whole lot of interrupting, allowing the woman to speak. this was not her doing a little campaign speech on the use of medical or recreational marijuana, but a connection with a voter and her concerns and fears.

[still_one]

211. As Rachel Maddow said a few months ago on her show, if Hillary found the cure for cancer, the

Hillary haters would still complain about it

[Hoppy]

216. --- sorry sweetheart. I have a life and did not read the responses until 12;05 E.D.S.T.

When I linked to the video, I posted an addendum to the o.p.

I will be interested in your response.

[seabeyond]

219. an OP so far out there in wrong, that many sanders supporters calls you. sweetheart? wtf?

[Beaverhausen]

222. Then change to OP or delete it

We don't need this kind of bullshit lies here.

[Travis_0004]

227. Results of Jury service

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--- sorry sweetheart. I have a life and did not read the responses until 12;05 E.D.S.T.
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Hoppy has an OP that is a blatant lie. All sides are calling him out on the lie. He steps into this thread, calling a long time female member sweetheart. This would be the epitome of the 1950's mad max sexism men like to play, do put a woman in her place. Sexist.

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[Agschmid]

275. So blatant sexism is cool with you.

Noted.

[Travis_0004]

277. I think there are way to many alerts over stupid things these days.

[Agschmid]

278. Yah, well walk a mile in someone's shoes... then let me know.

[Cha]

295. Yeah, and "he gets accused of acting in bad faith.." No, he was busted acting in bad faith..

so, Poor thing needs to lash out with a "sweetheart".

[MADem]

110. Really--now that the OP has been proven false, people would do well to retract their endorsement, or

risk looking like they support smear politics.

[Agschmid]

276. Too late, but we knew that some of them were cool with it already.

[MADem]

291. Not only cool with it, they're proud to endorse a falsehood.

I'd be embarrassed!!

[Agschmid]

182. Hey you're back!

Last edited Sun Aug 16, 2015, 11:55 AM - Edit history (1)

And up late! Yikes!

[seabeyond]

199. ya. i am telling you

this summer? i haev had the hardest time sleeping. could be all the roaming of my two sons late at night. get to sleep for five minutes, htey wake me, and i am up another 5 hours, lol. well, cant say it is all them. i am working on getting better, now school is starting. wasnt so successful last night.

have enjoyed your posts the last couple months.

i am seeming to, or considering adjusting my view of the field and shift it around to enjoy the primary a bit more, than what i have been doing the last couple months. you are more balanced. i like balanced

[joshcryer]

288. I retracted my rec when I knew the truth.

The "more research" line is something she's said often on this subject. But she said "I support it and will continue to support it." That's different.

[seabeyond]

293. Ty josh, you consistently walk in balance, fairness. Nt

[Juicy_Bellows]

98. Sanders supporter here.

Disingenuous OP for sure. I would have liked her to answer differently but the OP bends the story way too far.

[JI7]

103. the Cold as Dukakis thing is what the Shit Media pushed while "there you go again" and other stupid

shit was pushed as something clever and funny.

dukakis opposed the death penalty which should be a liberal position and nothing cold about it.

[BooScout]

104. How disgusting....

And in case anyone missed it upthread....thanks to Control-Z

The truth in living color: http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

[Le Taz Hot]

106. This is inaccurate

and makes you lose credibility. You need to delete this post.

[Control-Z]

109. Your OP is a straight out lie.

Delete it or forever be seen for what you are. I will never forget. Your words will never mean anything involving truth.

[CBGLuthier]

111. Politician. Not exactly an admirable trait but that is the nature of the beast

They follow polls and have no real positions beyond those that will grant them power.

Some day the world may be able to do without them. They really are a blight on everything decent.

[oasis]

114. You might want to check out the video on Post #63

before passing judgement. The OP does Hillary AND DU members a disservice by distorting the facts.

[CBGLuthier]

128. One incident's veracity does not really matter

She is a terrible follower of polls and opinions. Not a fan of her or any like her.

[joshcryer]

120. OP fooled me.

see my edit for my original response, I believed the "more research" line but it was much more substantive than that, this appears to be close to actual advocacy.

[LuvLoogie]

254. The OP is a lie. See the video of the actual exchange

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

exchange starts around 8:50

[joshcryer]

286. Thanks I did not see the video.

I took the OP at face value.

The response is quite decent when you watch the actual video.

[ericson00]

122. St. Bernie hasn't come out for medical weed either yet

[TheFarS1de]

123. No he has ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/bernie-sanders-marijuana_n_7337454.html

http://www.thecannabist.co/2015/05/19/bernie-sanders-marijuana-legalization/35159/

He has stated that he is in favour and will announce more on it in the coming months according to his reddit .

[ibegurpard]

149. this isn't a Bernie vs Hillary thing

This OP is a straight up lie and should be discounted as such.

[magical thyme]

124. Unrec. what she said is she has supported it, continues to support it AND she

supports more research.

It's ~ 9 minutes into the linked video. in post 33.

[riversedge]

125. Even after the OP has been presented with facts--it lets the decietful post up. What has

DU become when lies can remain?

[JustAnotherGen]

127. I'm supporting O'Malley

Clinton is 3rd on my list.

The reasons for her being so far down on my list - have nothing to do with the statement in your OP.

The best wins are honest wins - not ones based on lies.

[Mike Nelson]

129. I saw much of the Fair...

...and Hillary Clinton was great! So were all the Dems!

[moobu2]

130. This OP is very dishonest.

If someone from the Hillary side had posted something like this there would have been hell to pay.

[Vattel]

131. Why haven't you self-deleted this nonsense?

[JohnnyLib2]

132. Hoped this would be gone this morning.

I saw it in the middle of the night here and thought, this one won't stand on DU.

Major disappointment.

[Metric System]

134. Judging by the jury result to leave this post it's safe to say some members are unable to put aside

their biases.

[sufrommich]

135. And another right wing generated lie makes its

appearance on DU. I wish I could say the recs are surprising,but they're not.

[Hoppy]

220. Right wing? Shit. I voted for Ralph. And Jimmy. And Gene. And, yes, L.B.J.

[CanonRay]

138. So the subject of Medical Marijuana is too risky for Hillary to touch?

Her lack of courage and blandness in this campaign is really pathetic. I sure hope she picks it up. Medical marijuana is barely controversial anymore.

[DanTex]

141. Actually the whole OP is a lie. Don't believe everything Hillary-bashers say.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251521122#post26

[BooScout]

142. The OP has been proved to be a lie.

May I respectfully request you have a look at these:

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/632594411277406208/photo/1

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2#

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251521122#post26

[mcar]

144. This has been shown to be a lie

Please show some class and delete this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

145. I would share my thoughts about this calumny but given the status of the jury system...

I would share my thoughts about this calumny but given the status of the jury system I might get a hide.


SIGH

[brooklynite]

146. The key to an OP like this is that the poster doesn't have the guts to respond to any of the comment

[MineralMan]

148. That was not Clinton's response at all.

I watched the video. Perhaps you did not. You are incorrect, and this OP is incorrect. I recommend that you self-delete it or edit it to include the entire exchange between the mother and Hillary Clinton.

That would be the correct thing to do.

[Historic NY]

150. Apparently HOPPY still hasn't retracted the OP....hit & run much

[Agschmid]

183. Yup.

[George II]

151. Too bad you didn't post the full story and follow-up. That's pretty pathetic:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-drops-her-guard-in-iowa-121394.html#ixzz3izHDGVOp

Sanders, however, did not take questions from the public as candidates on the box usually do — and his day at the fair was brief as he rushed passed Iowans in a hurried brisk walk, cameramen pushing and jabbing annoyed bystanders out of the way.

Clinton, by contrast, took her time, spending about an hour and a half at the fair as she inched along and people approached. A 30-something Iowan mother named April Stumpf asked her to support legalizing medicinal marijuana nationally. Stumpf’s three-year-old daughter, Quinn, has a severe case of epilepsy and is about to die, she explained to Clinton. Her doctors recommend medical marijuana to ease the pain, but it’s hard to get because it’s illegal to sell in Iowa. The state allows residents to get medical marijuana cards and purchase the drug out of state — but often states that sell it require patients to be present for purchase, and Quinn is too sick to travel.

“She’s not expected to live past … ” her voice trailed off. “I mean, she can go at any time.”

Clinton agreed that there should be more research on the subject. And when Stumpf walked away, she dispatched her aides to get her contact information as the crowd continued onward.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not including EVERYTHING that happened.

[George II]

155. The interplay between Clinton and the mother starts at about 9:00 into this video.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327525-9/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-meetandgreet-iowa-state-fair-part-2

Why couldn't you give an honest summary of the encounter? Did you mention that Clinton held her hands as the mother was speaking? Did you mention the concern that Clinton had during the discussion?

Now we see why Sanders isn't going to "attack" Hillary Clinton, he's got enough followers perfectly willing to attack for him.

[Agschmid]

168. Crap OP.

What an embarrassment.

[FarPoint]

188. I need more research myself.

Don't smoke it, never have......I have doubts but am open to critical data from both sides of the issue to make an informed decision. So, I understand if Hillary requested more information. It's just not a priority for me ...

I do know it's not magical weed....Marinol is an approved synthetic form....so, that may be enough to minimize symptoms of a chronic illness.

[Beaverhausen]

226. Here. Read about Charlottes Web

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte%27s_web_(cannabis)

Edit. I don't know why this link isn't working. Google Charlotte's oil

https://www.leafly.com/news/headlines/united-kingdom-allows-the-use-of-charlottes-web-cbd-oil

[FarPoint]

229. The link went nowhere....

I'm familiar with the children's story, Charlotte the spider, Wilbur the pig.....I see no connection with medical marijuana.

[Beaverhausen]

230. I added a link

https://www.leafly.com/news/headlines/united-kingdom-allows-the-use-of-charlottes-web-cbd-oil

[ismnotwasm]

190. Yawn

Not true--but carry on.

[aikoaiko]

193. Hoppy, I think you should self-delete this.

This is too far from what was actually said.

[Hoppy]

221. Please read my addendum to the o.p.

Let me know if you believe it needs further clarification.

[Beaverhausen]

225. Seriously? You should change the tread title or just

Delete the whole thing

[randr]

204. She could have said "I'm no scientist" and it would have conveyed the same intent.

I call bull shit on her. If she does not have a stand on this issue she is negligent.

[seabeyond]

213. though she was both shaking her head yes, and verbally telling the woman yes, showing every

indication she agreed with the woman, but wtf, right?

[MoveIt]

215. Bernie Supporter here, "St. Hillary" is needlessly combative

Watched the video and she does not come across as cold at all and if you notice she looks genuinely pleased to hear that the child is in a clinical trial of medical mj. Clinton is smart and she will evolve on this issue like everyone else is. (not meant snarkily at all)

Go Hillary!

[BooScout]

217. Up to 34 recs for a BALD FACED LIE....

Tells me all I need to know.

[lunamagica]

228. Yes, it is a dishonest and cowardly OP, and all of those recs aren't any better than the OP.

Shame on them all.

[lunamagica]

231. Using the grief of a mother and a dying child to make up a lie? How low can you go?

I bet if that mother saw how you used her tragedy for your dishonest and hateful purposes, she'd spit on your face.

Shame on you.

And that also goes for everyone who rec'd this disgusting thread. Don't go bragging how you love honesty, when you make up and/or support such blatant and revolting dishonesty. It's ridiculous

[riversedge]

245. Obviously if the OP had a conscious it would self -delete the OP

[lunamagica]

259. Obviously s/he doesn't

[George II]

232. You're "less unhappy"? She offered nothing more specific? Didn't you hear...

....her say this:

"I will certainly support it, I have and I will continue to support it"!!

Your addendum does little if anything to back away from the blatantly misleading and false OP.

[LuvLoogie]

240. Jesus, this site! Mercuryblues gets hidden for calling the OP a LIAR?!

It looks like the the anti-Hillary crowd can't stand to look in the mirror. Or be called out on it's toxicity.

Your swamp is evaporating.

[L0oniX]

248. I'm changing my support to Hillary just because of this.

[Hoppy]

272. Mercuryblues gets hidden? Now that tickles me.

--- sorry, I can't resist.

[LuvLoogie]

283. You remind me of Rick Scott.

In fact I'd say you're a dead ringer.

[Beaverhausen]

298. You are a piece of work

you post an OP that is clearly bullshit, then you post an 'addendum" and ask people if it's enough.

Which they tell you it's not.

Yet you leave it up as is and now you get kicks out of people getting hidden posts.

You are really such a credit to the candidate you are supporting. Keep it up.

[Hoppy]

300. Piece of work? Thanks. I take lessons.

[joshcryer]

287. Yeah, OP should self-delete.

It wasn't just "more research" it was "I support it and will continue to support it." That is frankly the first time I have heard her say that. She also asked for the person to give her contact information. That is what they do when they want to use you in future policy speeches. That way they can say "There was a person down in X that liked Y and I support that person and Y."

I feel like a fool for falling for the OP's dishonesty.

[MineralMan]

243. Posts like this one are why I switched my support to Hillary Clinton.

Truly. The edits do not change my opinion. I watched the video myself, and the title of the OP was simply incorrect. Why would someone do that to a Democratic candidate for the presidential nomination? That's my question? How does that benefit a different candidate in any way? It does not. It hurts the other candidate, by reference.

The original form of this post was not, in any way, correct about Clinton's response to that poor mother. Not at all. It was a clear mischaracterization of what she said.

When supporters of another candidate resort to false reporting of things, it harms the candidate they support. It's a very bad strategy.

[riversedge]

263. Nicely said. Thank you

[LuvLoogie]

282. While there are legitimate supporters of other candidates

here, some of them are merely pathological in their despite for Hillary. For them, "their candidate" is just a host to their soulless lies, a place to moor their encrusted brains.

[L0oniX]

247. So that's why Bill didn't inhale.

[LuvLoogie]

250. And the OP got another!

[BlueStateLib]

281. :)

One of clinton's oxford buddies was on c-span confirmed that clinton did not inhale but tried like hell. Clinton's oxford buddy that was on c-span also said they were smoking tobacco laced with hash, which wa popular with the kids at that time in the U.K. For non smokers, like clinton, to inhale tobacco, you be coughing up a lung too.


In an interview with Yahoo News' Katie Couric, Sanders said he tried marijuana but wasn't a fan.

"Because I coughed a lot, I don't know," he said. "I smoked marijuana twice, didn't quite work for me. ... It's not my thing, but it is the thing of a whole lot of people."

Pot And How To Smoke It (1970)

[okasha]

258. You even rec'ed your own thread.

Such a special little snowflake you are.

And that rec list is going to be useful in weighing the veracity of 34 other people's posts.

Good job, Hoppy. Quite unintentionally, you did something worthwhile.

[revmclaren]

273. The Rec list is par for the course

for the BS Rec-Ing crew.

[okasha]

274. True.

And we now have a list of 38 people who will support a lie even when they know it's a lie. Self-incrimination at its finest.

[revmclaren]

279. 90 % of who will be gone after Clinton wins the primary...

The TOS will take care of that.

[okasha]

280. I certainly hope so.

[OilemFirchen]

284. I've bookmarked this thread.

From time to time I'll kick it as the rec list slowly converts to a wall of of "Name Removed".

Now that tickles me.

--- sorry, I can't resist.

[revmclaren]

302. ...

[OilemFirchen]

303. Thanks for reminding me.

Retrospectively, I believe the software removes the rec if the reccer is removed. Accordingly, there probably won't be any "Name Removed" recs.

That said, when I posted yesterday, there were 37 recs. As of this writing there are 35. As I didn't (and won't) keep a record of who recced, I have no way of knowing where those two recs went - whether they were reversed or the poster(s) banished.

A running tally, then, will have to do.

See ya next bump!

[revmclaren]

304. Saving the list with a screen shot works.

Gives you a permanent record that does not disappear.

[Cha]

296. What else they got.. but, lies? nothing.. it really does show their desperation.. and in BS's name