Suppose that Hillary quits her campaign to focus on

[MannyGoldstein]

any legal troubles resulting from her (astonishing) email choices.

What do you think the ThirdWayDNC will do to try to stop Bernie? Implicitly support Chris Christie, like Obama and the DNC did in 2013? Run another Third Wayer, like Biden, Gore, or Kerry?

[still_one]

1. oh boy, another flame bait

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I remember when the seminal poster had more juice, when his threads grew exponentially...

Kind of sad to see the fall...

[lunamagica]

2. Thanks for the laugh!

[AgingAmerican]

3. Or quits to campaign for Bernie

nt

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

4. Gee Wizz

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I think I've read at least three different articles about that,one for each no doubt.Yep they floated Gore too. Astonishing ? Gee whizz it seems hackers are everywhere, what do you think ? Do you think there is a secret secret way about communications only used by key insiders on the inside of the inside of the inside ? And if so do you think Hillary was unaware of the secret government channels or simply disregarded all that and decided ,I'll just mix it up ? That way the bad guys won't have just one back door gain access to so's they can steal information which is of course power. .is that it, ? Keep um fooled or guessing ?
A no brainier way about globe hopping ?

Than there was that article about Hillary being old fashion and not at all tech. savy. Still uses the old yellow note pads.
You know and most likely makes little squiggles and short handy kind of stuff to remind her later of her train of thought at the time, so's if some peeker comes along and see what's there in those notes ,it don't matter anyway cuz it ain't all there and the juicy stuff or secret stuff is all compartmentalized !!!!
yep lock up in the old brain !

So it is expected that believers believe state secrets were fly'en about unprotected .

What may be astonishing is the fact that they all do it. You know, they mix it up.Even verbal exchanges in enclosed spaces is risky business on the count of them there bugs you know. That and them there walls has ears.
By the way do you recall when the President took office the first term -they, you know those they;\ s tried to get president Obama's phone away form him-? you know the phone right ? And do you recall that didn't happen ? What are your thoughts about just why that didn't happen and what it all means ? Isn' t that how they stayed connected ? Those phones right ?
And what about the old wire phones ,the white house land lines, those were down too ,isn't that so ?

Anywhoo I can't help but notice the protocols are not clearly defined so that people on the outside of the inside secret stuff can understand exactly how is the law was broken. So what,- we figure that what the law states is ignorance of the law is no excuse even though there is no clear definition of the the hell is what about it.
And the media blitz.


Sorry Manny but really, I just don't see Hillary leaving the race under a dark cloud.
Joe Biden will run if he wants to-,or not.
And to my knowledge it is those republicans that are those vultures.

As bad off as those republicans are right now, you have to realize that they are operating to the tune of anything goes, down and dirty all way. Didn't Newt repent or change his ways and than confess he done wrong !
And now he's friends with all those republicans again !

Don't you see where you are taking it ? Isn't it kind of, sort of like playing in to hand of those republican vultures ?

Nope, I don't believe that email scandal crap .
And I sure as hell don't believe that sensationalism horse shit what comes down through the media.
So Manny have ever seen a real live torpedo ? Wouldn't those republicans just love to torpedo the entire democratic party ?

Isn't that really what it's about ? I mean it's not going very well at all for those republicans ,don't you think they are out to inflict some serious wounds or damage ? Seventeen of them and they are all on crutch. Plenty of time to repair though right ?
Al Gore, John Kerry or Joe Biden in case Hillary Clinton has to leave under a dark cloud ?

!

[KMOD]

5. Ain't gonna happen.

and it's quite asinine to even suppose it.

[ismnotwasm]

6. Yawn

[aspirant]

7. Maybe

Debbie (DWS) will jump in to fill the void.

[Pastiche423]

8. Blasphemy!

I know where I would like her to jump.

[hrmjustin]

9. Never going to happen.

[ram2008]

10. If Hillary drops out; Warren runs and wins

She will be begged to by pretty much everyone in the party...

I suspect she would bridge the gap between Bernie's and Hillary's supporters and build a coalition big enough to win the nomination.

[bigdarryl]

27. If Hillary drops out the Democrats are TOAST in 2016

Because in my opinion (and it's just my gut Feeling) Bernie can't win the General election.

[DJ13]

28. As much as I would like that, aint gonna happen

The DNC would want another Turd Way'er to support the corporate interests.

Warren would NOT be on that list.

[SonderWoman]

11. She's an excellent multi-tasker.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-hillarys-got-this.html?smid=fb-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=2&referrer=

[MineralMan]

13. Suppose not.

Wishful thinking? It ain't happening, Manny. Not a chance.

But, you just keep on keeping' on.

[sabrina 1]

14. I will never forget that the DNC refused to back a good Progressive Democrat

who could have beaten Christie as he was so vulnerable at that point, and that over sixty Dems ENDORSED him, giving us the current Gov of NJ, a bully, a failed politician, vengeful, angry and corrupt.

But he does support a lot of the platform of the Third Way, so there is that.

[jfern]

49. Those 60 were cowards who didn't want

some "traffic studies" in their towns.

[MineralMan]

15. Suppose Dennis Kucinich jumps in to

save the day...

That seems more likely than your supposing'.

[brooklynite]

16. UNREC

"Implicitly support Chris Christie, like Obama and the DNC did in 2013..."

Funny thing -- want to know where I met Barbara Buono? A DNC event in 2013.

Now I'm aware that some NEW JERSEY DEMOCRATS endorsed Christie...maybe you should take it up with them.

In any event, no need to worry: Clinton won't be dropping out...or losing.

[demwing]

18. "dropping out...or losing"

Yeah Manny, Hillary would NEVER do that...

[MannyGoldstein]

20. Obama refused to endorse Buono.

But he endorsed other Democratic gubernatorial candidates.

[brooklynite]

24. Just a guess but, he guessed (correctly) that her campaign was hopeless

An endorsement of someone who had very little chance of winning (even with DNC support) wouldn't have made a difference in her votes, and would have made him look ineffectual. Welcome to politics.

[MannyGoldstein]

26. The opposite of Dean's 50-State Strategy?

Brilliance

By it's fruit, we do know it.

Welcome to Democrats getting clobbered en masse.

[brooklynite]

31. The 50-State strategy was about Party building...and NJ has a strong Democratic Party

The problem was that they picked a weak candidate.

[MannyGoldstein]

32. It was about supporting the Dem candidate in every state

No?

[brooklynite]

34. No...seriously

The DNC's role, and Dean's 50-State Strategy in particular, was to build up State Party structures. DNC did not and does not select or support candidates.

The entities that DO support candidates are DCCC (House), DSCC (Senate), DGA (Governors) and DLCC (State Legislators). In fact, one of the biggest fights in 2006 was between Dean and Emanuel over whether Party funds should go to House candidates or State Parties.

That said, since none of these groups have unlimited funds, they have to target races with the greatest prospects of winning. As o e of their contributors, I expect them to look at races with an dispassionate eye. Buono never showed signs of making the race competitive in 2013. Wendy Davis never showed signs of making the race competitive in politics.

[RiverLover]

17. REC

I think they'll go the 3rd Way route with Biden.

[840high]

39. I agree. Biden is

likable.

[okasha]

19. Wish in one hand,

slap your face with the other.

Say, "Thanks, I needed that."

[DCBob]

21. "Astonishing" only to those who want to take her down.

[WillyT]

22. REC

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. REC, Boss

[Zorra]

23. I don't see any "charisma candidates" on their horizon, and neither Biden, Gore,

nor Kerry could beat Bernie, and they know it.

They'd have to manufacture some new, pretty face, and work on selling her or him if hey want a contender.

[HFRN]

29. 'Run another Third Wayer, like Biden, Gore, or Kerry?'

[winter is coming]

30. Suppose she spontaneously combusts? It's about as likely. n/t

[dsc]

33. maybe Bernie will quit to spend some time with flatlanders.

[neverforget]

35. And the jury is in:

On Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Suppose that Hillary quits her campaign to focus on
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251526152

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Really? Come on. I know this guy gets a free pass, but give me a break! Right wing talking points.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:47 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: Insulting to a whole lot of good Dems. I didn't know that Gore was a "third wayer". I don't like this post but this is the kind of talk that often goes on in this forum, so whatever. It's to be expected, so I will reluctantly vote to leave it.
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[MaggieD]

37. The jury system here is a sham

I remember when you'd get MIRT'ed in a heartbeat for spouting right wing talking points here. Those were the good old days, I guess.

[840high]

41. Only when they don't agree with you.

[MaggieD]

42. Nah, I truly wouldn't like to see Bernie supporters purged

Like they do to HRC supporters. I think that's just wrong, and clearly an abuse of the jury system. I don't see HRC supporters doing that, do you?

[840high]

43. Actually I see most of the

purging in the AA group.

[MaggieD]

44. Who are HILLARY supporters

Right?

[840high]

45. Some are. They usually

get purged for non hillary/sanders posts.

[MaggieD]

47. From my view...

There has been the same attempt to purge black Hillary supporters here after BLM confronted Bernie as there was in 2005 when DU went nuts on LGBT people blaming them for Kerry's loss.

It was embarrassing for the progressive community then and it is now, IMO.

[hrmjustin]

48. I think most of the hides the members of AA got hides on were primary related.

[840high]

40. Someone alerted?

[MaggieD]

36. Silly premise

She doesn't have any legal troubles regarding her emails. She has a problem with right wing nut jobs trying to turn Benghazi into something as fake as whitewater.

But hey, jump on board the right wing smear machine if ya gotta. Not surprising.

[NYCButterfinger]

38. If Hillary drops out: Kaine, Vilsack, Gillibrand

would be good choices. They are center-left candidates. They can win a general election, and they can be good leaders if elected president in 2016.

[NCTraveler]

46. I love this.

Colbert is still much better at it.

[mylye2222]

50. Kerry isn' t that "Third Wayer". He has officially

Ssuscribed to "Senate New Democrats Coalition" but wasnt much implicated.

Plus, if othererwise DNC would have supported him on fraud allegation in 2004.That didnt happen.

Peace, Manny.

[Thinkingabout]

51. Third Way, group thinkers, planners, the smarter way.

[jeepers]

52. How old is Chelsea?

and if that won't work when is it her turn?