Uncomfortable, Isn't It ??? - When The Shoe Is On The Other Foot...

[WillyT]

How Hillary Let Down #BlackLivesMatter
The movement is looking for a candidate who intuitively understands the struggles facing black Americans. And so far, Clinton is coming up short.


Barrett Holmes Pitner - DailyBeast
08.18.153:35 PM ET

Link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/18/how-hillary-let-down-blacklivesmatter.html

[hrmjustin]

1. I don't feel uncomfortable. People have the right to their own opinion.

[SonderWoman]

39. Me neither. I stand with BLM. Its the Sanders supporters who...

Made it uncomfortable. They only have themselves to blame.

[hrmjustin]

40. Some of his supporterd went overboard and said somethings they should not have.

We all make mistakes and I hope we learn from this.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Yup

I stand with #BlackLivesMatter

And--I knew this was coming. It was the conspiracy theorists who thought different

[hrmjustin]

52. It was interesting watching people complain that HRC and BLM meeting was calm.

[ismnotwasm]

56. She went to them

They are empowered activists, and my hope is this is just the beginning for them.

[SonderWoman]

54. GEORGE SOROS! FOLLOW THE $$$!

Embarrassing.

[ismnotwasm]

55. Right?

Made me cringe.

[Number23]

60. In the AA forum, everyone there knew it was a matter of time before they got Hillary

EVERYONE.

I think a few folks in this forum are trying to re-write history. These folks, who have denied the really ugly and even racist stuff against #BLM, and denied who was doing it by putting everyone they disagreed with on ignore and running to high five every single thread that said what they wanted to hear -- that the stuff about Sanders supporters were "talking points" (and this was even after Van Jones, Occupy, Thom Hartmann, every person on Black Twitter and damn near every Kos diarist in existence called these folks out) are embarassed as hell right now. Or at least, the smarter and more honest ones probably are.

And they damn well should be.

[AlbertCat]

62. it was a matter of time before they got Hillary

I didn't see them yelling and shutting down any of her rallies.

When are they gonna do that? It seemed to be such an admired tactic.

[Number23]

63. It's hard to shut something down that hasn't happened

And the fact that two sisters rattled Sanders so much that he had to leave the stage is on him, not on them.

[Hoppy]

79. "....two sisters rattled Sanders...."? As I recall, he just stood there.

-- stood there while two women, crazier than shit-house rats, shouted on the stage wanting to be heard. They were offered the platform but kept on demanding to be heard. .... one thinks she is a Republican operative.

They should have been arrested but if they were, Bernie would have been tarred with the racist brush.

[jfern]

81. If it was 2 Republican white males

they probably would have just called the cops on them

[NCTraveler]

127. We will see what they do...

We will see what a room full of them will do soon enough. Liberty U is right around the corner.

[seabeyond]

153. i am really interested in seeing what happens at liberty. nt

[KMOD]

88. "crazier than shit-house rats, ...should have been arrested."

I'm sure BS thanks you for your support.

[Agschmid]

105. Yah what was that?

Jeez.

[Hoppy]

130. We are both able to distinguish between the exchanges with Hillary/BLM and Sanders/BLM.

One exchange was calm and invited dialog. The other showed two agitated women who jumped on stage, shouting, charging the microphone with arms flailing. As a result, people who came to hear Sanders, were deprived of their opportunity to hear and maybe learn something because two people thought what they had to say AND WHEN THEY GOT TO SAY IT, was more important than the right of people to hear Sanders. Nursery school sandbox, anyone?

One woman was not quite so animated and out of control. But the other was, and is, likely in need of professional help. The latter then goes on to profess how the Republican Party missed their chance to "groom" her. I agree the Teabagger Caucus of the Republican Party probably did miss a great opportunity to use her as an example of why their racist beliefs make sense. Beyond that (Palin button aside,) I doubt, despite her delusions, the Republican Party has need of her services.

I believe she would be diagnosed as mentally ill. The other is close behind but working to catch up.

Or does this bring up the position that any actions and behaviors of aggrieved parties is justified because of the way they perceive societal injustices? S.D.S., Mark Rudd, S.L.A., Westboro Church, all believed their behavior was/is fine because society was fucked up.

--- hope this helps.

[Agschmid]

137. It does not help.

[zappaman]

143. Keep digging.

[KMOD]

149. What they had to say was and is important.

You are one of the people who desperately needs to get the message.

[Hoppy]

150. What they had to say was, "we want to speak and we want to speak, NOW!"

[Number23]

89. "crazier than shit-house rats"

"They should have been arrested but if they were, Bernie would have been tarred with the racist brush."

With comments like this from his "supporters" it's a wonder he hasn't been.

[KMOD]

92. Great minds.

[Agschmid]

106. Yup.

It's a good thing he ISN'T like some of the people who support him.

[Agschmid]

104. Your over the top lately.

Do you read what you post? Do you see the hate? The vitriol?

It's not healthy.

[hrmjustin]

122. You really should self delete this post.

[Agschmid]

136. They won't they are letting their flag fly high.

Welcome back btw.

[NCTraveler]

126. Paging Don Imus? Nt

[Agschmid]

135. This is still here?

And it's still crap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

139. WoW

"... As I recall, he just stood there. -- stood there while two women, crazier than shit-house rats...They should have been arrested ..."

Maybe if you and Trump are successful in adding a Constitutional amendment to supersede the 14th Amendment you can have their citizenship revoked and send them to god knows where.

[Hoppy]

162. Are you going to argue that the womens' behavior was rational?

[Spazito]

146. Disgusting post...

and not your first in this regard.

[AlbertCat]

145. is on him, not on them.

Absurd.

And he left because the issue that was to be discussed wasn't being discussed....and he didn't leave early, know. (maybe you don't). O'Malley left as well.

And I guess this also means, since Hillary hasn't had a "rally" yet, comparing these events is like comparing apples and oranges.

[Number23]

163. I never have any idea what you are trying to convey in your posts

You are so knee jerk defensive to all things Sanders that your posts are often intelligible and what is understandable is often beyond wrong and ridiculous.

Sanders left the stage in Seattle. That is IRREFUTABLE. O'Malley DID NOT leave the stage at Netroots. That is IRREFUTABLE. All the rest of your post is just needless noise.

At this point, it would be great if you just stayed out of threads re: BLM altogether but since I know that won't happen, if you could just stop responding to me, I'd be beyond appreciative.

[MADem]

82. She doesn't have "rallies." That is not how she campaigns.

She meets with smaller groups, she listens, she takes questions.

She doesn't stand up in front of a massive group, "transmit," wave and leave.

It's just a different style. It works better for her. And why yell/shut down when she's more than willing to talk?

They're not done with her, I'm sure. They're not done with any of the candidates. This is their window of opportunity, and they are gonna make the most of it. I can't say as I blame them.

[AlbertCat]

144. She meets with smaller groups, she listens, she takes questions.

Before or after the $1000 fundraiser dinners?

[MADem]

152. Sanders went straight to a fundraiser after the #BLM protest at Westlake.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Bernie-Sanders-to-speak-at-sEATTLE-Westlake-Park-rally-321140931.html

And there's nothing wrong with that.

You do what the market will bear--or did you think that campaigns run on Love and Pale Moonlight? Someone has to pay to rent the hall, hire the lighting and sound crew, etc.

And television ads cost money. People without money are not heard.

[seabeyond]

65. +1. nt

[Number23]

66. I did an OP about it over a week ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118720729

And if #BLM doesn't believe that Hillary has answered their questions to their satisfaction, you better believe she will know about it.

[seabeyond]

69. i remember. i enjoyed it. i might have even sent out pms to others. i did like listening to this

one with hillary way more. it was raw moment. not orchestrated. i thought the point excellent that the man stated. i tend toward that type of thinking too.

i thought it was better cause we actually got to hear an interaction and hear what blm had to say.

[ismnotwasm]

114. Damn straight

The thing is, I WANT #BLM to continue what they do--hold everyone's feet to the fire. It's activism at its best--and they are being heard.
Nobody gets a pass.

[betsuni]

70. Yes, everybody knew.

Like others have said here, this shouldn't be difficult to understand.

[Number23]

73. If only half the time and energy spent pretending that they know every damn thing there is to know

about every damn thing and that everyone who disagreed with their omniscience was their enemy that needed to immediately be tossed on ignore for the gigantic crime of trying to educate them about things they were CLEARLY WRONG AND KNEW NOTHING ABOUT had been spent actually fucking listening, they wouldn't be so incredibly embarassed about how they've made themselves look to the ENTIRE WORLD for the last month or so.

[betsuni]

78. Exactly, exactly, exactly. nt

[AlbertCat]

61. Its the Sanders supporters who...

I think it was the disruptions that made it uncomfortable.


That and the GOP lying memes that started the whole "Sanders doesn't care".... an out and out lie.


But this "you tell me" bit is just a type of pandering.

[TheBlackAdder]

90. Funny how people forget the thousands who took off of work and drove there, to have cancelled.

.

No one mentions that at least one of the women laid their hand on Sanders too.


These are things that Hillary Clinton and her people did not have to encounter.
I'm sure the presence of the Secret Service helped to keep things in order.


In what was supposedly a 5 minute speech, turned into a 20 minute co-option leading to Sander's leaving.


Gee, I wonder why the people in the audience were annoyed after being told they are racists.


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[dsc]

2. No

He has every earthly right to his opinion. I have no problem with him having one. I do hope that others have a different opinion. I thought the video should wind up helping her, but this is a literal case of what the heck do I know.

[seabeyond]

3. no. it is not. i thought the video was excellent in so many ways.

i have my thoughts on them and expressed, but i really want to hear from blm and others.

no. it is not uncomfortable at all. it is fuckin kick ass in conversation.

it was a huge step further in further understanding.

this just is not very hard.

[NCTraveler]

7. "This just is not very hard."

I think we would have to delve into the ops addmitance of being previously uncomfortable in order to see why it's is so difficult for some.

For most, you are dead on. Aside from the ops admittance, and the one size fits all aspect of the write up, it was worth the read and I'm sure he isn't alone in his thoughts.

[seabeyond]

14. i had to go back and see there was an article. lol. didnt read or know there was one. lol

i was enjoy the thought of remembering what was said and the exchange and thinking about that.

i see... probably not his title, either. another of my bad. geeez, is media just piss poor anymore? lol. so unprofessional.

[NCTraveler]

17. I read it.

While I'm shaking my head in disbelief, I believe it's the ops title. I didn't see it in the article.

[Luminous Animal]

25. BLM Boston none too happy.

Via their twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/BLM_Boston/with_replies

Julius Jones of @BLM_Boston on NH mtg w Clinton: "She was ducking personal responsibility for her role in mass incarceration." #maddow

BlackLivesMatterBOS ‏@BLM_Boston 23h23 hours ago
As of today, the platform on her website still calls for "restoring balance” to the CJ system. #HollupHillary

BlackLivesMatterBOS ‏@BLM_Boston 23h23 hours ago
That's an inaccurate portrayal of the system, which has never had balance & was *designed* to disenfranchise Black folks. #HollupHillary

Hillary has also repeatedly called for more police & tougher prison sentences. #HollupHillary http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/05/hillary-clinton-response-eric-garner#.v4oydm:mMdg …

#HollupHillary: HRC worked to reduce federal assistance to women & children living in poverty.

HRC lobbied to expand drug war & mass incarceration in ways that still impact black & brown ppl today. #HollupHillary

HRC's policies are far-reaching, & negatively affect Black & brown people OUTSIDE the US as well. #HollupHillary

In Dec 2014, HRC claimed our CJ system was "out of balance." #HollupHillary http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-takes-hard-truths-about-race-and-justice …

That's an inaccurate portrayal of the system, which has never had balance & was *designed* to disenfranchise Black folks. #HollupHillary

As FLOTUS, Senator, & Secretary of State, HRC had more influence than most on policies that led 2 systemic oppression of POC. #HollupHillary

[seabeyond]

28. it would have been a very good thing for clinton to not be affronted

and say yup.... you are right on. our bad. we need to fix that, and here is how i see it.

she does see the need to fix, and she has put it out in her speech. these are raw moments. no one, even me who is really good at conversing, is gonna get these raw moments hands down.

[NCTraveler]

4. Huh? What?

Interesting how open you are about feeling personally uncomfortable over something that happened to Sanders. A real bit of unintended retrospective there. That addmitance is the only way your title would work.

[KMOD]

5. hang on,

I have to go tweet all of my black friends and tell them how they are wrong, and how they should vote for HRC, because she is what is in their best interest.




sigh, again, this is not about HRC, BS, O'M. or any of our candidates, personally.

It's a movement with a very important and strong message, and that message needs to be heard by all.

[seabeyond]

9. sigh, again, this is not about HRC, BS, O'M. or any of our candidates, personally.

why is that concept so hard?

and, speaking of, when i heard the tape a day or so ago, maybe last night? the second part where he is saying whites have to own, and change heart. i got what he was saying. clintons reaction? the lawyer mind and who she is? i got her reaction. pish posh, waste of time trying to change bigots hearts.

yet... i stand with the dude. NOoooooo. i want to change hearts. so, it was very interesting to me.

[KMOD]

18. It shouldn't be hard to understand, and it's

bizarre to me that it's turned into a very strange contest about which candidate was disrespected more. It's just so crazy.

I agree, it was a very interesting exchange. And it's a conversation we all need to keep having. That is the only way to begin much needed change. And yes, I hope many hearts are changed in the process, but sadly, I agree that not all hearts will change. Especially since so many don't even seem to understand it, and are unwilling to listen.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. No. Hillary and her supporters need to stop and listen to BLM.

Just listen. Don't offer your own ideas, and certainly don't try to counter anything you disagree with. Our job is to be quiet and listen...to an idiot who was a Sarah Palin fan not very long ago. But that doesn't matter. Those of us who support Sander(s) have been given this same advice. My gift to you is to pass this advice along.

[seabeyond]

26. i did listen. to both. hence me agreeing with the dude. maybe you have not mastered the listening

part yet. my gift to you.... listening is our friend.

try on someone else.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

29. Just listen, Seabeyond.

Anything beyond that is whitesplaining.

[seabeyond]

30. agreeing with the guy? go nip at anothers heel. i am done with you silly game.

[NCTraveler]

41. Agreeing with someone is white spraining.

This is getting to be pure gold.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

42. No. White spraining is when an Anglo hurts his or her leg.

[NCTraveler]

45. Freudian slip.

I have to wonder if you sprained something with the thought process employed in your reply to Sea.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. Yes, it must be that I've lost my faculties. You've latched right onto it.

[MADem]

110. I think he's white straining! He's straining hard to try and get people irritated about a topic

that is LONG overdue for national discussion!

[seabeyond]

113. i said way back how fascinating and outstandingly interesting this election was gonna be.

i mean... i LOVE that blm is out there. protesting didnt work. they were arrested as a bunch of white men carried guns and hung out with cops.

i say....

they are kick ass and has people on their toes and talking. that is good for all of us, as a whole, and individually, i am learning so damn much.

makes us a better people.

just jazzed.

[NCTraveler]

121. From the beginning I was excited about the primaries.

I know many would disagree strongly but I think all of our contenders are extremely respectable candidates. That field includes one of the most respected and influential woman in the world.

BLM isn't even looking at republicans in any meaningful way. If the reality weren't so devastating, that in itself is a point to be proud of.

[seabeyond]

125. all of our contenders are extremely respectable candidates...respected and influential woman in worl

i agree with you totally.

repugs just really are not a part of this election, lol. it is all about dem power.

[ieoeja]

147. He wasn't talking about sea agreeing with disgusting.

He was talking about Hillary disagreeing with BLM. When Sanders did that, you and a handful of others were all over this board screaming "whitesplaining". I haven't seen your or anyone else's numerous posts about how Hillary doing the same. But I'm sure I will come upon them eventually.

[seabeyond]

156. the whitesplaing came from white supporters of sanders telling blm why they are wrong. those watchin

clinton, supporters or otherwise agree with blm and LISTENED to blm and support blm.

see a difference?

[Bobbie Jo]

157. I'm not sure why

they continually miss this point. It's critical.

His supporters showed their behinds but good, they made a bad situation exponentially worse and continue to do so.

For some reason they just don't want to talk about that.

[seabeyond]

159. yesterday i started a post about not blaming everyone else for sanders choice on how

to run his campaign. everyone was blamed for sanders being called on not campaigning on social justice and just economic equality.

sanders has stood on one position for 4 decades. economic equality. he CHOSE to run a campaign on economic equality. it is not EVERYONES fault because people of all stripe called out sanders for only campaigning on economic equality.

sanders gets to own it. he purposely took the risk. good and bad. the good?

he is reaching out to repugs, teabaggers, libertarians, populist, independent and a small faction of democratic party.

they bad? it is not talking to the democratic base he is running under.

quit blaming EVERYONE for a choice sanders made.

[ieoeja]

158. So when Hillary herself disagrees with BLM, it is not whitesplaining.

It is only whitesplaining when Bernie's supporters (not Bernie himself) argue with BLM.

When Hillary argues with BLM, it is listening. When Hillary outright states she is not going to talk with BLM on AA issues anymore, that is listenning. Really?

[seabeyond]

160. " Hillary herself disagrees with BLM," the black man speaking tells her to not tell them what to do

and we in this thread support him whether a clinton supporter or not. now.... a lot of sander supporters want to make ALL of us clinton supporters. i am not a clinton supporter. now i am standing with omalley. so i feel the constant need to clarify, because not all of us in this thread are clitnon supporters and that is being assumed.

" Hillary herself disagrees with BLM," the black man speaking tells her to not tell them what to do

we support blm. blm write a critique how they see the meeting went.

we support blm.

what do you want?

"When Hillary argues with BLM, it is listening." now you are merely creating your own story to be told.

[WillyT]

23. Agreed...

[Metric System]

6. Dialogue is good. There's room for improvement in Hillary's response.

[WillyT]

8. Exactly...

[seabeyond]

11. so why is that a big deal? why the title and the direction you worked for in OP?

[NCTraveler]

10. That's why these write ups are so important.

So we can read it and gain a better understanding along with our candidates. I hate to see things like this cheapened with the ad lib headline. It was good on its own.

[WillyT]

15. Yes... Most Times The Writer Does Not Get To Write The Headline... Editors Do...

[NCTraveler]

22. I'm not even surprised anymore.

The headline contains your words, correct?

[WillyT]

24. No... Try Clicking The Link...

[NCTraveler]

27. Read it twice and can't find it.

"Uncomfortable, Isn't It ??? - When The Shoe Is On The Other Foot..."

Very personally illuminating.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Correct

eom

[Spazito]

44. The actual headline didn't get the 'attention' when the poster posted it the first time...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251527739

hence the addition of the flamebait one in this header.

[NCTraveler]

46. Wait.

it took this long for them to come up with a headline based in admittance they have been feeling uncomfortable. I will use the short term for duplicate as a double entendre. Dupe.

[Spazito]

47. Sort terms often work perfectly...

saves time for one thing, lol.

[betsuni]

67. I hope this one is only posted twice, not like that MLK quote.

The poor quote was dragged out half a dozen times, it wouldn't go away. Turn around, there's the quote standing behind you. Wake up in the middle of the night, the quote is staring at you. That was uncomfortable.

[Number23]

74. You are hilarious.

[lib87]

75. Lol!

Look in your car's rear view mirror, there is the quote sitting in the backseat.


But yes, I am for BLM issues before a particular candidate's feelings. They are politicians. They can take BLM tactics.

[Spazito]

140. LOL! So true....

I swear when my cat meows it sounds like that quote!

[MADem]

83. Ahhhhhhh....isn't that special? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. If I were a supporter of other candidate I would make denigrating comments about him...

If I were a supporter of the other candidate I would make denigrating comments about him but we Hillary Clinton supporters hold ourselves to a higher standard.

[WillyT]

16. If You Say So...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I said so and will happily say it again with the operative words italicized.

If I were a supporter of the other candidate I would make denigrating comments about him but we Hillary Clinton supporters hold ourselves to a higher standard.

[hootinholler]

34. Yeah those Webb supporters...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I see a non sequitur in your future by peering into your past.

[sufrommich]

12. No, not really.

[AgingAmerican]

21. Sunlight is the best disinfectant

nt

[riversedge]

31. DU did not need your snooty headline.

It shuts down discussion.

Enough said.

[WillyT]

32. LOL !!!

Have fun.

[Hydra]

33. Lol

Triangulation 101 goes horribly wrong. People involved pretend nothing happened.

[rocktivity]

35. The voters are looking for candidates who are ready to turn their "inutition"

into actual solutions, thank you very much.


rocktivity

[Bobbie Jo]

37. Nope, not feeling it.

What exactly are you fishing for here?

I just looked, and I don't see any mega threads with the vile name-calling and sniping at BLM from Hillary supporters.

Nope, nadda.

What's your point?

[NCTraveler]

43. Their point is in the headline.

They have been feeling uncomfortable about the topic and think that same feeling they have had can simply be transferred to others. What they don't get is that uncomfortable feeling they had is very personal to them, therefore they don't comprehend it isn't simply transferable to others. Really is an amazingly bold personal statement they made.

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Well said. nt

[Number23]

58. These folks have been screaming and using some beyond questionable language re:black folks for WEEKS

now and it's really obvious they genuinely expected for the HRC crowd to do the same when the shoe was on the other foot. Didn't happen. AT ALL.

And it's beyond obvious that the only people "uncomfortable" right now are more than a few Sanders supporters who have shown the world who they really are and are obviously embarassed as hell about that. And they should be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

141. That is because HRC supporters have street smarts

These folks have been screaming and using some beyond questionable language re:black folks for WEEKS now and it's really obvious they genuinely expected for the HRC crowd to do the same when the shoe was on the other foot. Didn't happen. AT ALL.

That is because HRC supporters have street smarts. Why should/ would HRC and her supporters pick a fight with black folks?

[Fearless]

48. I'm seeing a lot of... Well it's Hillary, she gets a pass because I believe her

But Bernie... I don't believe him, so he doesn't.

Sounds like a personal issue to me.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. WillyT, you and I have hashed this out a few times. You are uncomfortable with BLM not because you

'support Sanders' but because of your own personal reaction to them. You spent the Spring on DU posting 'Civil Rights Don't Really matter, it's all the money' and hearing from many people why that is not really a sufficient set of language and you would have none of it. Your very own mindset is the mindset being so specifically called out.
You can't say you were not warned by your peers who tried to steer you toward a higher path.

[Juicy_Bellows]

53. It sure is.

You ever slap your dog in the wrong shoe? Toes get all bent up and shit.

[bettyellen]

59. Huh? What exactly should be uncomfortable here? Good link, sucky title though-

care to explain it?

[Starry Messenger]

64. No. I'd be weirded out if there weren't critiques about HRC from BLM.

They really *aren't* controlled by Soros.

[MADem]

86. You mean he really DIDN'T have the camera in one hand and the checks in another?

DARN~~~!!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

93. "Look serious, this has to be convincing!!11"

How to completely make a slick Soros-funded false-flag out of nervous activists who are actually--um, Black people who say that they want police to stop killing them? This place.

[Buzz cook]

68. The movement is looking for a candidate who intuitively understands the struggles facing black Ameri

"Intuitive"? WTF does a candidate have to be a mind reader, or is communing with the sweet baby JeZuZ enough?

Here's my take away, BLM asked for definitive answers to a problem that has not been closed to a solution since the end of the Civil War. When Clinton said BLM should come up with its own proposals they accused her of white splaining.

Clinton responded with a bit too much snark, but snark was an appropriate response.

BLM does need to tell the candidates what they want and how they want it done. Leaving this shit to the politicians is a sure route to more of the same.

If you look at the various popular movements from the progressives forward, once they lined up behind a presidential candidate they got lots of promises and nothing else.
It is up to the candidates to line up behind the movement and they can only do that if they are given a clear, workable agenda.

[seabeyond]

72. i kow with womens issues there are people that get it and people that discuss it by script, learned.

i tend to be more successful with people that understand because they see so many of the tentacles that cause so many of the issues. that matters.

if i have a choice of a pres, i am gonna chose the one that i feel understands the issues the best and will actually be an advocate while in office. not told to address because they simply do not recognize an issue.

[artislife]

71. This was an interesting take on Hillary

Yet the most enlightening aspect of this exchange is how Clinton occupies the position of someone more focused on brokering deals and selling plans than someone capable of creating a solution or in touch with the lives of black Americans.

Willy, I think we have learned a lot about H supporters from this OP. Take it in and move on. Bernie got good crowds today in Reno!

[seabeyond]

76. "we have learned a lot about H supporters from this OP" they support BLM?

[seabeyond]

77. they figure clinton can handle it and become a better candidate?

[artislife]

84. I am not expecting anything from the crowd

But thanks for playing!!

[artislife]

85. No...that wasn't it

But thanks for playing!!!

[seabeyond]

87. you insulted everyone in the thread, yet refuse to clarify your insult. who is the one playing?

[artislife]

91. Did I?

[artislife]

94. He was looking for a response

S/he didn't get it. So I was pointing out that none of you felt the way s/he thought you would. NONE. That is what was revealing.


The responses all seemed to be 100% behind H in everything she does. That's not what s/he thought the crowd might take from this.


I wasn't as surprised, though. You are super supporters. No matter what.

[seabeyond]

96. "responses all seemed to be 100% behind H in everything she does." there is the snark

i knew you would give it to us eventually

[artislife]

100. It isn't snark

I didn't read a wavering response in this thread, did you?

But I should follow my own advice and let it go.

c ya

[Agschmid]

112. I actually think there may not be snark there...

I have had some experiences with that poster and I do believe they can see both sides of the issue fairly.

I wouldn't jump down their throat.

[seabeyond]

116. it isnt about 100% support for clinton. what the poster is seeing is 100% support for blm

"responses all seemed to be 100% behind H in everything she does."

how could one be legitimately confused on such an obvious error?

[Agschmid]

118. I get your frustration.

So I'm not sure but I haven't seen overt anger/hatred from that poster as I have seen from others.

I think we all understand what's at stake here, and how important this issue is in 2016... It's just interesting to see how we all handle it differently.

Not sure there is a right or wrong way... The only thing I am sure of is that dismissal of the issue because of the way it's brought up won't work for anyone in the long run.

[seabeyond]

123. the poster isnt that important, certainly not to the level of frustration. just not a deal.

kinda like, she too, does not feel it is a deal and went elsewhere for conversation.

that is cool.

and ya..... i just think this is an exciting time, and i think that is something the THREE of us would agree on. we all hands down respect like and support what blm is doing.

NOW.... i am done. thanks ags.

[Agschmid]

124. Night!

[MADem]

80. Not at all--#BLM is going to hold feet to the fire. Fine, bring it on!

Hillary can handle it, she can craft a plan of action, issue course corrections as needed, and We, The People will--all of us-- be better for it at the end of the day. And if she's coming up short, she needs to work on that.

Look, you can like a candidate and you can also understand that yes, indeedy, BLACK LIVES MATTER.

We've got to fix this. 1865 was a LONG time ago, and we haven't lived up to our promise as a nation.


Not sure what the is about--we need to get to work. No point in being defensive and whiney--let's get going.

[Agschmid]

95. This.

[betsuni]

109. That made me want to applaud! nt

[ismnotwasm]

115. +1000

[Starry Messenger]

134. Exactly.

[Agschmid]

97. It doesn't appear to be uncomfortabe for anyone...

Odd post WillyT.

[seabeyond]

98. i love the #3 gif in your signature line. nt

[Agschmid]

99. I figured it was time to embrace Azealia.

[Agschmid]

102. Actually no one is pissed...

That's the interesting part, we just don't understand the post?

How and why does BLM make WillyT uncomfortable...

I don't think he got the reaction he wanted with this OP, but that happens sometimes.

[seabeyond]

103. if you saw the other 88 posts you would realize how off the mark you are, lmao. this is silly.

[Agschmid]

107. We might be on that ignore list, so they may never know.

[seabeyond]

111. ;) . i would hope. lol. oh please !!!!!. nite agschmid. nt

[MADem]

154. If you talking to anyone who is ignored, even if you're not on the list, you won't be seen.

The whole subthread goes poof!

I think it's funny that so many people on ignore can create such an amazingly 'alternate' reality! Oh well, I guess it works, in a way!

[MADem]

119. Hmmm. Time for a musical interlude, I guess....

[Metric System]

132. I don't have anyone blocked. I don't want an echo chamber.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

142. This thread would only have worked...

This thread would only have worked if Clinton supporters were cretinous enough to take the bait and say libelous things about Black Lives Matter and black folks but alas they didn't.

[gwheezie]

108. I stand on the side of black lives matter

Hillary has work to do. No one is owed the black vote. I will probably vote for HRC in my primary. I'm not uncomfortable. I have no emotional ties to HRC and my identity is not dependent on who is the dem nominee. So, if blm is not satisfied with the candidates they confront, it doesn't make me uncomfortable. Black people are being killed, this is no time for politics as usual.

[Cleita]

120. ++++

[Bobbie Jo]

129. Exactly this.

I stand with BLM.

Politicians need to get with the program.

[Flying Squirrel]

117. "Candidate Clinton needs to learn...

...that we will no longer settle for a seat at her table when she decides that we are organized enough."

BAM.

[romanic]

131. It makes me wonder

Who will BLM activists vote for if neither of the Dem candidates are "good enough"? Will they then advocate not to vote at all?

[MelungeonWoman]

138. That's the route Talib Kweli is going.

By any means necessary except the most practical one.

[Maedhros]

155. I'm in favor of the black community coming together and realizing its political power.

When the Democratic Party is complicit in pushing policies that directly attack the black community - such as the Welfare Reform Act, and the private prison industry - then it is meet and right that they say "enough - don't expect our votes, EARN OUR VOTES."

I advocate this approach for the broader Progressive movement as a whole.

[BeyondGeography]

133. She basically told them to eat their peas

And when they brought up Bill's law-and-order policies which brought disproportionate pain to young black men, she said, you can put that guilt trip away now.

She is:

-very tough
-a lot territorial
-a little cold
-politically wiser than most, including the people she was talking to

[Admiral Loinpresser]

148. The video says it all.

She dodged the thrust of his question. She would not acknowledge the role of both Clintons in the bi-partisan "Southern Strategy," i.e. the political war on black people in America.

At least she apologized for her vote on Iraq. As long as she believes she has a chance at the White House, she will NEVER apologize for her disgraceful role in black incarceration. This, in my view is another reason she is unqualified to be the Democratic nominee.

[1StrongBlackMan]

161. I read this OP and all the comments ...

and I still don't get what you mean?

[BainsBane]

164. Not at all

Why should I be uncomfortable?